easy < 3.85 < impossible

[hamsterofdeath]

i tried different songs. at about 3.85 blocks per second, the difficulty switches from "easy, i see everything" to "i see nothing". it's a hard cut. i am late for one block and then i'm late for every block that follows. there is no medium difficulty. i either see the arrows and know what i need to do, or i don't.

what is the solution here?
"just try it until it works" doesn't work. i do not become faster. my "block analysis speed" is capped at ~3.85. add a little more and i cannot come up with the necessary movement fast enough.
practice also does not work because i do not understand what to practice. i cannot practice seeing faster.
i also cannot handle huge clusters of blocks for the same reason. the first one passes before i've made a movement plan.

[Detective Dan]

Originally posted by Angry Russian:

Originally posted by Mercedes Benz:

Anyone who says they can do 6nps+ is a liar. It doesn't count if you're on no fail mode.

Hope you are joking, 6 NPS is still in accuracy/tech category, thousands of people can do more than 6 NPS, and hundreds can do 13 NPS. Basically every 7 star map is higher than 6 NPS, and pretty much everything above 11 stars is >10 NPS.. I guess you jumped to conclusions too early, play a couple hundreds hours more and your comment will seem funny to you ;)

As for the training practices you recommend as paying same thing for week over and over is proven to be much less effective than playing different things which are barely passable. Good that it fits you, but all I'm saying people rarely improve fast with such practices.

working the same riff is something i do personally. I might work a song for 45 minutes before switching to another, one i can for sure pass. Maybe i'll work that same section for the same amount of time and then call it a day. Eventually in this practice i include the entire song then speed up the whole thing eventually.

It's not like practicing a football play where you just hammer the moves a few dozen dozen times and then you've memorized it. Personally, i'll spend the time at the slower speeds really understanding where (and sometimes why) a block is where it is. The end result is the movements required end up becoming more "natural" at the proper speeds.

I prefer to look at a BPM and difficulty of a song rather than how many notes per second is coming at me. In fact, until this thread i had no idea what that number meant (which means my 6nps is in fact a joke because I couldn't do 6nps if i tried (most of the extra songs is about 3-4 nps.

For me, it's not about playing the most technically challenging meme songs possible. I love to dance when i'm playing Beat Saber and the harder difficulties give me that opportunity to *feel* the music better. Sometimes what i think should be the movements isn't what the game wants and slowing the game down helps me learn what i should actually be doing.

Don't knock it till ya try it; It's obvious you haven't tried. Why keep playing difficult songs you can't play at speeds you're not physically capable of travelling? To quote specifically: "...is proven to be much less effective than playing different things which are barely passable." Explain to me how this is not "Try it till it works" and where has it been proven either method is effective or ineffective?

I'm merely trying to help OP understand what practice mode is for and how i (personally) use it. If beating your head against the wall works for you, then by all means....

[hamsterofdeath]

"and hundreds can do 13 NPS"

with *random* notes? i would like to see evidence of that.
i can memorize hard songs, that's not the problem. but i cannot get any faster in general.

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

"and hundreds can do 13 NPS"

with *random* notes? i would like to see evidence of that.
i can memorize hard songs, that's not the problem. but i cannot get any faster in general.

I never said random, and neither Mercedes did. It's a rhythm game, it's hard to find a map with random notes..

[hamsterofdeath]

my speed measurement assumes the worst case, random notes. otherwise you can "cheat" by knowing (or guessing) patterns, and then we no longer measure pure reaction and processing speed

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by Mercedes Benz:

Why keep playing difficult songs you can't play at speeds you're not physically capable of travelling? To quote specifically: "...is proven to be much less effective than playing different things which are barely passable." Explain to me how this is not "Try it till it works" and where has it been proven either method is effective or ineffective?

I'm merely trying to help OP understand what practice mode is for and how i (personally) use it. If beating your head against the wall works for you, then by all means....

Where did I say that? I said play what you can pass but barely, and never grind one song all the time like you do. And you are saying I've somehow meant completely opposite. From my point of view it's you who banging his head at one map when there are hundreds of good maps available to play instead. Somehow you manage to have fun playing thing slowed down instead of playing other maps, and you are just unique in this regards.

It's been proven by experience of the top competitive players, you can go to scoresaber discord and ask around if you don't believe me, or just open any scoresaber profile from the top guys and see how many different maps they play in one session..

I'm sorry if I'm too harsh right now, but this is just ridiculous to hear from you guys who had couple dozens of hours in the game. You think you already experienced enough to make conclusions of what works the best for most? I mean why, if you are just occasionally dancing in the game, you find it reasonable to suggest your practice to the guy who wants to beat faster and faster things but just stuck with his progress?

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

my speed measurement assumes the worst case, random notes. otherwise you can "cheat" by knowing (or guessing) patterns, and then we no longer measure pure reaction and processing speed

If you feel that this is cheating then probably rhythm games are not for you. Good map should not be about reaction, it should be about flow. The more you play the more different patterns you learn and the faster you can switch between them..

[hamsterofdeath]

but there's no clear rule how to get from music to blocks. "flow" isn't well defined

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

but there's no clear rule how to get from music to blocks. "flow" isn't well defined

Indeed there isn't, basically mapper tries to follow the beat and represent music by the patterns he feels like fitting. There are some general principles in pattern selection but to tell more we need some good mapper here. There is a constant ongoing discussion in the mapping section of scoresaber discord, where people share their vision and test-play the maps.

I don't already know where this discussion is going, really.

[Detective Dan]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

but there's no clear rule how to get from music to blocks. "flow" isn't well defined

No, you're right. Music is something you ultimately "feel," not just listen to. As Angry Russian stated, its up to the level designer to make the blocks where they think it should go based on the music.

Learning where the blocks are isn't "cheating" at all. You can't learn music effectively by sight reading it alone. Knowing basic music theory also helps (at least it does for me).

I'd stop trying to think of it as "why can't do higher NPS songs." You'll only rationalize that "i'm just not fast enough." Mind over matter, so to speak.

it could also require some physical training as well. I will stretch and warm up before playing BS because i know if i'm loosened up i won't feel so stiff and slow trying to keep up with fast songs. I'm not saying go buy weights and do forearm exercises but....

Originally posted by Angry Russian:

I don't already know where this discussion is going, really.

I think we're both trying to avoid saying "git gud scrub" lol

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by Mercedes Benz:

Originally posted by Angry Russian:

I don't already know where this discussion is going, really.

I think we're both trying to avoid saying "git gud scrub" lol

Indeed essentially it's just that, but OP looks for some kind of magic trick to avoid learning the game for hundreds of hours :)

So again, there is no trick, you just play the game trying to push your limits whatever way you see fun to do..

[hamsterofdeath]

"You'll only rationalize that "i'm just not fast enough." Mind over matter, so to speak."

rationalize? it's a simple fact

"but OP looks for some kind of magic trick to avoid learning the game for hundreds of hours"

yes. i prefer smart solutions over brute force

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

"You'll only rationalize that "i'm just not fast enough." Mind over matter, so to speak."

rationalize? it's a simple fact

"but OP looks for some kind of magic trick to avoid learning the game for hundreds of hours"

yes. i prefer smart solutions over brute force

Man, you are amazing :) Smart here is to play what is difficult and mix it with what is fun. And that is it, indeed you are too slow right now and it will get fixed if you keep playing regularly and won't if you don't. It's as simple as that, there are no "smart" things hidden somewhere. Literally everyone who is now in the top went this way and clocked many hundreds hours to get there..

Doesn't it surprise you that no one else suggested anything else? Try maybe asking at cube community or scoresaber discords, see the people reaction there ;)

[PrimeSonic]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

"but OP looks for some kind of magic trick to avoid learning the game for hundreds of hours"

yes. i prefer smart solutions over brute force

Okay, at this point I have to say something.

What you need is practice. Plain and simple.
You know what practice does? I literally creates new pathways in your brain that let you detect and respond to patterns quickly and with less effort over time.

We're not in the matrix. You can't just plug your brain into a device that makes you automatically good at stuff.
There is no "smart solution" to your problem.
Literally all you need is just practice.

Keep to the songs you find enjoyable to play and push yourself beyond your comfort level just a little bit at a time.

I've been playing for barely 30 hours, and I remember very clearly when I tried playing songs that I just couldn't get my head wrapped around. I'd fail the song in a matter of seconds.
Now I'm able to full-combo many of those songs without breaking a sweat.
I went from only being able to play songs at Normal, and then I managed to get up to Hard, and now I can play most Expert songs I find.

TL:DR - You need to practice. Plain and simple.

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by PrimeSonic:

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

"but OP looks for some kind of magic trick to avoid learning the game for hundreds of hours"

yes. i prefer smart solutions over brute force

Okay, at this point I have to say something.

What you need is practice. Plain and simple.
You know what practice does? I literally creates new pathways in your brain that let you detect and respond to patterns quickly and with less effort over time.

We're not in the matrix. You can't just plug your brain into a device that makes you automatically good at stuff.
There is no "smart solution" to your problem.
Literally all you need is just practice.

Keep to the songs you find enjoyable to play and push yourself beyond your comfort level just a little bit at a time.

I've been playing for barely 30 hours, and I remember very clearly when I tried playing songs that I just couldn't get my head wrapped around. I'd fail the song in a matter of seconds.
Now I'm able to full-combo many of those songs without breaking a sweat.
I went from only being able to play songs at Normal, and then I managed to get up to Hard, and now I can play most Expert songs I find.

TL:DR - You need to practice. Plain and simple.

I think he's just trolling us, seriously. Now he'll find some other way to say the same thing and we'll find a way to say the same thing again 😂

It's like "how many more posts about the same I can squeeze from these guys, so I can respond to them that it's just impossible for me to improve and some super secret advice is needed".

[Detective Dan]

Originally posted by PrimeSonic:

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

"but OP looks for some kind of magic trick to avoid learning the game for hundreds of hours"

yes. i prefer smart solutions over brute force

Okay, at this point I have to say something.

What you need is practice. Plain and simple.
You know what practice does? I literally creates new pathways in your brain that let you detect and respond to patterns quickly and with less effort over time.

We're not in the matrix. You can't just plug your brain into a device that makes you automatically good at stuff.
There is no "smart solution" to your problem.
Literally all you need is just practice.

Keep to the songs you find enjoyable to play and push yourself beyond your comfort level just a little bit at a time.

I've been playing for barely 30 hours, and I remember very clearly when I tried playing songs that I just couldn't get my head wrapped around. I'd fail the song in a matter of seconds.
Now I'm able to full-combo many of those songs without breaking a sweat.
I went from only being able to play songs at Normal, and then I managed to get up to Hard, and now I can play most Expert songs I find.

TL:DR - You need to practice. Plain and simple.

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