easy < 3.85 < impossible

[hamsterofdeath]

i tried different songs. at about 3.85 blocks per second, the difficulty switches from "easy, i see everything" to "i see nothing". it's a hard cut. i am late for one block and then i'm late for every block that follows. there is no medium difficulty. i either see the arrows and know what i need to do, or i don't.

what is the solution here?
"just try it until it works" doesn't work. i do not become faster. my "block analysis speed" is capped at ~3.85. add a little more and i cannot come up with the necessary movement fast enough.
practice also does not work because i do not understand what to practice. i cannot practice seeing faster.
i also cannot handle huge clusters of blocks for the same reason. the first one passes before i've made a movement plan.

[Angry Russian]

How many steam-hours you already did in a game? Shouldn't be a lot, I think, as 3-4 nps is in accuracy category and doable for everyone after not really many hours of regular play.

Install NJSfixer and play around with note spawn distance. But overall it's just practice which brings you pattern reading skill. Don't get fixated on moving notes, try to read overall picture of what is coming to you and you'll get there. There is no time to plan anything in this game, you've got to go in a flow and do precise movements with your arms and wrists not really thinking too much.

Also try playing some modern ranked 3-5 star maps, at least you'll be sure everything is mapped properly with some standard common patterns.

[hamsterofdeath]

"There is no time to plan anything in this game, you've got to go in a flow and do precise movements with your arms and wrists not really thinking too much."

but it's all i can do. the alternative is to stand there and do nothing.

[Codd coward]

yeah this game has a major learning curve

[Angry Russian]

Indeed the game is hardcore and limits are still to be seen.. scores which were great a year ago are OK-ish now as everyone who started early keeps improving, of course it's difficult to jump on a moving train like this.

It's gonna be hard for you at first for sure, but with each 100 hours you'll get to some things you never understood how to do before. Just keep playing on your limit and do this regularly and you'll get there.. the most important thing is have fun after all, otherwise you'll just drop it after a while.

[hamsterofdeath]

a concrete example
"into the dream", expert
at around 12 seconds, a sequence starts. but i don't get past it even after ~30 tries. it's just not possible. i do not see the blocks fast enough. they could be random each time and i would fail the same way.

after that, there are a few blocks on the far left and some on the right, but how am i supposed to see them all? i'm not a chameleon. i have to focus on the left or right side.
so far the only way i can manage this is to stupidly memorize everything.

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

a concrete example
"into the dream", expert
at around 12 seconds, a sequence starts. but i don't get past it even after ~30 tries. it's just not possible. i do not see the blocks fast enough. they could be random each time and i would fail the same way.

after that, there are a few blocks on the far left and some on the right, but how am i supposed to see them all? i'm not a chameleon. i have to focus on the left or right side.
so far the only way i can manage this is to stupidly memorize everything.

Again, if you are trying to focus on the blocks you are doing it wrong. You are supposed to look at the horizon at the area where blocks appear and read arrows at that same moment. You adjust this distance with in-game settings or NJSfixer mod.

You straightforward ignore my question about hours, so I suppose you have a very little experience in the game right now. After all this complaining it starts to look like you have some issues with self-belief and motivation to improve, and these are the key here. You seriously can't expect to do much in the game until you clock at least 100 hours IMO.

This map in your example is a very easy to do, just accept that this not yet your level and play something which is still your level. E.g. jump from 3.85 to 4 nps is round 5% improvement. Do you know what is 5% in a competitive game? It's like difference between #1 and #30 right now on scoresaber... it's a lot!

It's an incredibly grindy game, there will be always walls on the way, don't expect just to jump over everything and became a master at the game.. Not everyone is natural in this game and some may need more hours than the others, so if you want to improve play something which you barely can pass. There is no point in playing one map 30 times in a row, it doesn't bring any fun, thus any improvement. Get ranked maps and play different ones of the star difficulty you can manage, and you will notice after some time that maps which were difficult for you before are a piece of cake now.

[hamsterofdeath]

"You straightforward ignore my question about hours, so I suppose you have a very little experience in the game right now."

i did not keep track and do not know the answer.

"This map in your example is a very easy to do, just accept that this not yet your level and play something which is still your level."

if it's easy why can't i do it?

"After all this complaining it starts to look like you have some issues with self-belief and motivation to improve, and these are the key here"

i can see how others can beat hard levels but if i try the same, i fail. i have hands and eyes, so the hardware is fine. my movement speed is not the problem.
this also has nothing to do with self belief. i just have absolutely no idea how i can see the blocks fast enough.
all i can say is "trying to see them does not work, it takes too much time, it's the wrong method. there must be another method that others are using". i tried looking at the horizon, but this only led to a minor improvements, mostly when lonely blocks are scattered with large distance between them.
the problem is the processing speed and it's capped. practice does not improve it. that's a fact.

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

"You straightforward ignore my question about hours, so I suppose you have a very little experience in the game right now."

i did not keep track and do not know the answer.

"This map in your example is a very easy to do, just accept that this not yet your level and play something which is still your level."

if it's easy why can't i do it?

"After all this complaining it starts to look like you have some issues with self-belief and motivation to improve, and these are the key here"

i can see how others can beat hard levels but if i try the same, i fail. i have hands and eyes, so the hardware is fine. my movement speed is not the problem.
this also has nothing to do with self belief. i just have absolutely no idea how i can see the blocks fast enough.
all i can say is "trying to see them does not work, it takes too much time, it's the wrong method. there must be another method that others are using". i tried looking at the horizon, but this only led to a minor improvements, mostly when lonely blocks are scattered with large distance between them.
the problem is the processing speed and it's capped. practice does not improve it. that's a fact.

Playtime is just in front of you when you pick the game in the library... You sure you are not trolling us right now here? Please check the hours and tell what is there..

Did you try doing any reaction tests? Like normal human reaction time is 0.2-0.3 seconds for visual stimulus which is more than enough for Beat Saber, maybe it's different for you?

[hamsterofdeath]

we're using mixed accounts here, it's impossible to know who played how much.

"Like normal human reaction time is 0.2-0.3 seconds for visual stimulus which is more than enough for Beat Saber, maybe it's different for you?"

~200ms. which, assuming infinite arm speed and a simplified model of the game, gives us a limit of 5 blocks per second. given that i do think about each block individually, ~3.8 bps makes sense as my processing speed.

it also explains why i fail at the section i mentioned above. the limit is reached. there are more blocks than i can check, and also more blocks than my short term memory can hold. without any pattern tricks, it's 5 or 6 "raw blocks". give me more and i forget the first one once i reached the last, and i cannot form a movement plan before the first block has reached me. as a result i don't hit a single one.

these are the hard limits i have to work with.
4 blocks a second max, 6 blocks per sequence.
nothing can improve these two numbers.

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

we're using mixed accounts here, it's impossible to know who played how much.

"Like normal human reaction time is 0.2-0.3 seconds for visual stimulus which is more than enough for Beat Saber, maybe it's different for you?"

~200ms. which, assuming infinite arm speed and a simplified model of the game, gives us a limit of 5 blocks per second.

OK, I'm sorry but this just can't be taken seriously any more, this calculation just killed me. I don't know how it's possible to cut >10 nps then, we are all just super humans probably.. like thousands of superheroes of Beat Saber.. even my GF who played like 30 hours can do 6-7 nps..

Good luck with trolling others :)

[hamsterofdeath]

i am almost certain that no human can do more than 6 bps if the blocks are random. if they come in a pattern, sure, you can go much higher, because you don't even consider the following blocks.
but i seem to be unable to see patterns

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

i am almost certain that no human can do more than 6 bps if the blocks are random. if they come in a pattern, sure, you can go much higher, because you don't even consider the following blocks.

So here you are saying that your calculation is garbage right? As we are indeed talking here about reading basic patterns and reaction also involves spawning distance, which is adjustable. And as most of the stuff is coming in up/down or left/right pairs it's already twice less to react.

Just play the game really, but without frustration that you can't do right now something that others can, it's just wrong mindset, it's really a matter of time until you can too..

[Detective Dan]

I've been practicing "40oz" by Polyphia (expert) at about 60% speed and the first breakdown is doable. At 70% speed i start sweating a little more. Anything more and my wrists and forearms just spontaneously catch fire because i'm just waving them frantically trying to correct themselves

I have musical training and some of the riffs we did on mallet instruments in drumline back in high school included 16th notes at 200bpm for about 3 and a half measures. The way we practiced this (it was written with an accelerando, started at like 80bpm and ended at 200bpm) is we basically learned the entire run in small sections at slow tempos, then put the small sections together, then eventually the whole thing, all the while increasing tempo as written

This is basically how i learn challenging fast sections in BS. I start off slow (50-60% speed) and just do the same section over and over, eventually moving up to 70, 80, 90 and full speed. It's a good 45 minutes or longer (i've spent days/weeks on the same song) of doing the same section over and over again, sure, but by the time you're doing it full speed for realsies (not practice mode), it comes almost somewhat naturally. It's grindy and it's frustrating, but it's worth the time because you know you put in all that work to get the SS FC rating (cause you champion, right?). My cuts are also more accurate and my scores are on average higher because i know i'm doing the cut the same at 100% as i was 50%

It's not so much using practice mode to "see faster," its slowing the song down so that you have a quick moment to process the block coming at you, swing and move to the next. It trains your muscle memory if anything and allows you to learn where the blocks actually are.

However, Polyphia is a completely different artist playing a completely different genre of music with incredibly technically challenging techniques on the guitar (lots of taps and sweeps). This song gives me the same issue you're getting of "i can't process all the notes coming at me." Been playing the same section of song at 60%-70% for the last couple of weeks off and on and it's still trips me up (but that's also because there's a lot of cross overs and other tricks too)

Remember: All this comes with practice. It does take time, but not "Try it till it works" because that's insanity. More determination if anything: "I WILL Nail this section"

Anyone who says they can do 6nps+ is a liar. It doesn't count if you're on no fail mode. That said, some people can natually process whats coming at them faster than others. I know when i've done a dab, it's a dice roll as to if my reaction time increases lol

[Detective Dan]

i've had some "ah-ha!" moments when i've slowed a song down when i keep messing up like a cross over or something

[Angry Russian]

Originally posted by Mercedes Benz:

Anyone who says they can do 6nps+ is a liar. It doesn't count if you're on no fail mode.

Hope you are joking, 6 NPS is still in accuracy/tech category, thousands of people can do more than 6 NPS, and hundreds can do 13 NPS. Basically every 7 star map is higher than 6 NPS, and pretty much everything above 11 stars is >10 NPS.. I guess you jumped to conclusions too early, play a couple hundreds hours more and your comment will seem funny to you ;)

As for the training practices you recommend as paying same thing for week over and over is proven to be much less effective than playing different things which are barely passable. Good that it fits you, but all I'm saying people rarely improve fast with such practices.