Can we talk about Anti-Cheat software?

[Jayconius]

Before we start, I own this on Oculus App, so.. no logged hours on Steam..

But anyway!

There seems to be a very large number of people cheating on this game on Twitch and/or on YouTube..

I've started to notice that there are some people who are really bad, I mean Arms flailing bad people cheating in this game..

There seems to be cheats going around that allows the player to get perfect cuts no matter the swing acurracy..

Is it possible to put an end to this?

I mean, isn't the point of this game to better yourself and beat your score on each song and compete against your friends?

I don't mind innocent cheats in single player games, I just feel this is only of those games where Cheating ruins the point and experience for yourself and others..

It's like play Guitar Hero on Expert with an Action Replay with "No Misses" and "No Fail" on..

[Syl3r]

yeah, this sucks. I hope they get a handle on it. Though to be fair, i dont know how bad it really is.
It might be just my ego being curshed <.< (had #1 on ducktales for a while just to be overtaken by an ridiculous amount of over 5k or something)

[xenicat]

引用自 Syl3r：

yeah, this sucks. I hope they get a handle on it. Though to be fair, i dont know how bad it really is.
It might be just my ego being curshed <.< (had #1 on ducktales for a while just to be overtaken by an ridiculous amount of over 5k or something)

5k sounds much but it's roughly 4 points per block. The highest possible score is just under 135k so the current high score is almost twice that amount away from a perfect score. Seems very unlikely to be a cheater especially since the spread of the top 10 is relatively small as well (http://scoresaber.com/leaderboard/6)

And that song has just 162 blocks so if you look at other songs that have say around blocks 800 a difference of 5k is less than one point per block. So in a lot of cases being just a bit better results in a big gap in score.

[Syl3r]

see? now i know its just my ego being crushed XD.
after checking it's actually 7k. and getting to where i am atm already took so much training, i have no idea how to improve on that, I usually land somewhere around 115k, so the 119k i have on the score is already a super well score for myself. so i think im just gonna not care anymore and just play for the fun of it. might make another attempt in the future

[xenicat]

Play harder songs and when you come back to it you will crush your old score.

[Kyle 1413]

I haven't seen the kind of cheating you are taking about, could you link a video of this for reference? I can't recall seeing anyone cheat on twitch/youtube

[Master Cheese]

I don't think cheating works for the original 10 songs right? I have all but two expert scores in the top 100s and I dont see how that would be possible with cheaters running wild. I even made it top 40 once...

[Zajumcskins.army]

Can You show some examples because I don't see any cheating at all in leaderboards/twitch directory?

[Kyle 1413]

I've definitely seen cheating on the original 10 leaderboards, but the custom leaderboards it's far more uncommon

[xenicat]

引用自 Master Cheese：

I don't think cheating works for the original 10 songs right? I have all but two expert scores in the top 100s and I dont see how that would be possible with cheaters running wild. I even made it top 40 once...

The original method to play custom tracks was replacing original audios and maps and if I remember correctly those scores were uploaded for the song you replaced. So it definitely is possible to do it and some of the scores above the maximum that's possible are probably a result of custom tracks not cheating on purpose.

[YoeyYutch]

引用自 syne：

引用自 Master Cheese：

The original method to play custom tracks was replacing original audios and maps and if I remember correctly those scores were uploaded for the song you replaced. So it definitely is possible to do it and some of the scores above the maximum that's possible are probably a result of custom tracks not cheating on purpose.

That's interesting. Maybe that explains why the high score for $100 bills Easy is 169,463 (on the Oculus leader board) and the highest possible score for that level is 130,350. That one just stood out to me, but as I peruse the other levels, I can see that there are many tainted scoreboards. Not all of them though, I actually still hold two high scores in No Arrows mode.

One thing is for sure, you can post scores to the leaderboard while using plugins. I'm using a 3rd person camera plugin for recording video and a level progress display plugin. While neither of these give me an unfair advantage that would directly affect my score, how does the Beat Saber software know that? How can it discern between a plugin that is just enhancing my enjoyment vs. a plugin that lets me rewind the level so I can keep trying to get perfect hits until I succeed? Maybe there is a goood answer to that. I don't know.

It's certainly annoying to see impossible scores at the top of the leaderboard, if for no other reason than the space they take up. But it's even more frustrating to wonder how many of the other scores are tainted, that aren't so blatantly obvious.

[LiquidPZA]

I think that most of the tainted high scores are obvious, though I really don't believe that there's rampant cheating happening. It certainly is unfortunate to have tainted boards, but we’re not seeing top tens that have any more than a single impossible score.

[R-Man]

引用自 syne：

引用自 Master Cheese：

I don't think cheating works for the original 10 songs right? I have all but two expert scores in the top 100s and I dont see how that would be possible with cheaters running wild. I even made it top 40 once...

The original method to play custom tracks was replacing original audios and maps and if I remember correctly those scores were uploaded for the song you replaced. So it definitely is possible to do it and some of the scores above the maximum that's possible are probably a result of custom tracks not cheating on purpose.

https://youtu.be/vg7raFM612M

[Pvt Tommy]

I'm almost at disbelief here. It just seems so crazy and pointless.

[xenicat]

引用自 R-Man：

引用自 syne：

The original method to play custom tracks was replacing original audios and maps and if I remember correctly those scores were uploaded for the song you replaced. So it definitely is possible to do it and some of the scores above the maximum that's possible are probably a result of custom tracks not cheating on purpose.

https://youtu.be/vg7raFM612M

How is this relevant in a 5 year old thread about unusually high scores on the leaderboard of the original maps?
I just skimmed through, but this video is about people cheating on an external leaderboard and maps that didn't even exist yet with mods and tools that didn't exist yet when the thread was opened.