I have reason to believe Wheatley is Doug Rattmann (SPOILERS)

[milocricket]

I have a theory that Doug Rattmann is Wheatley.... well in a sense. Here is my reasoning. I expect you to prove me wrong.

First off, I'll explain the scenario for this to happen.

I'll mark the non-canon material with an asterisk

*1: Scientists working on GLADOS make attempts at cores to keep her from going nuts.
*2: One of the attempts is the stupidity core we know as wheatley.
*3: Finding the core to be too dumb for it's use, they take it out and put it either with the corrupted cores or wherever. (likely not scrapped since there were other unused cores as seen in portal 2 such as space and adventure core)
4: The morality core is created and inserted, however GLADOS ignores it and kills as many people as possible.
5: Rattmann living throughout aperture in his "dens".
6: Events of portal 1 happen...
7: Rattmann feels that he needs to help Chell escape, so he goes back into aperture after GLADOS is disabled.
8: Chell goes into a relaxation vault.
9: Doug Rattmann sets her to (hopefully) wake up at some point in the future.
10: Doug Rattmann goes into cryo himself.
11: Individual parts of Aperture are run during GLADOS being offline by various AIs such as relaxation vault maintnence.
*SIDE NOTE: Who's to say at some point the scientists didn't make the AIs need to upgrade or replace themselves for various reasons? After all, they did make a core that recites a cake recipe...
*12: The AI in charge of managing the relaxation vault needs to be replaced (likely caused by some doing of GLADOS being offline).
*SIDE NOTE: Aperture likely had backups of spheres/cores in case one AI needed a replacing. However, this replacing process likely went on for some time to the point where there were no more backups left. (there was clearly a large time lapse between chell and rattman being put into cryo and chell waking up; known mostly by the plants growing in the walls and other such things)
*13: The AI first needs a base sphere (it is obvious that the relaxation vault was made to be run by a sphere by simply looking at the whole system during the beginning of portal 2)
*14: The AI searches a place it knows would have spheres, i.e. the place you found the space core (and possibly other places, aperuture IS large)
*15: First core the AI sees is the stupidity core; not knowing what that coree was particularly made for, it picks it as a suitable candidate for replacement.
*16: The vault AI installs the nessecary information needed in running the vault system.
*17: The AI realizes as some point that the sphere is very very stupid. It needs a buffer.
*18: As the AI is simply a vault manager the best solution it has is to get human mind to buffer it. The best choice would be someone with knowledge of aperture facilities and very smart (i.e. an aperture employee)
*SIDE NOTE: As we know, most of the aperture employees were killed by GLADOS. However, surely a handful of them survived. All the people who were sane escaped or died trying. However, Rattmann is schizophrenic and stayed behind for whatever insane reason he got in his schizophrenic head.
*19: The AI finds a single aperture employee in cryo (AKA Rattmann. A perfect choice. It puts the employee's mind into the sphere it found.
*20: The stupidity sphere's stupidity is now buffered by Rattmann's mind being in it, as he was quite smart.
*21: The old vault AI then replaces itself with this new sphere.


Here's where the extra evidence/info comes in.
1: When Chell wakes up to Wheately, he clearly feels the need to help her escape (The subliminal thoughts of Rattmann)
2: You may think "Well Wheatley was clearly stupid in portal 2". Well remember that Rattmann is schizophrenic and his mind was likely very unstable possibly causing either a bad conversion into the computer or some other problem like that. We also don't know quite how stupid wheately was when he was made. He could've been so stupid he didn't know the difference between apples and bananas.
3: When GLADOS "breaks" Wheately after she wakes up in portal 2, the next time you see him he is talking to himself. *cough cough* symptom of schizophrenia *cough cough*.
4: Why would Wheately be named wheately instead of the stupidity core or Rattmann. Well for one, why would you want to call yourself the stupidity core. Second, nothing IN-GAME references ANY of the spheres as the "space sphere", "fact sphere", and so on and so forth so they could have had names. Third, the scientists could have simply given the cores names. Fourth, Wheatley could've named himself that.



That's what I have so far. If I think of something else or see something in the comments that can be added, I will add it. Remember, I want you to prove me wrong. Don't give a no reason or a stupid reason like "Rattmann's cool so no".

[Carrot.gov]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Big respect for you, man. These are actually really good observations.

[Sebastian]

Cookie this man a give

[KyloX]

That was interesting to read this, great thoughs and ideas. This ideas is probably one of the ideas that maybe fit Valves thinking spectra. But in my thoughts, i doubt this.

Originally posted by milocricket:

SIDE NOTE: Cave Johnson clearly says that the "lab boys" figured out a way to put a person's mind into a computer BEFORE he mentions that Caroline/he be put in.

Actually Cave states that they should had started this research before, they haven't figured out yet. After Cave pased away, in sometime it was researched.
Even though, in the comics there were pre-recorded messages, but the fact is that Caroline was already "inserted", so... Cave dead.

Originally posted by milocricket:

Here's where the extra evidence/info comes in.
1: When Chell wakes up to Wheately, he clearly feels the need to help her escape (The subliminal thoughts of Rattmann)
2: You may think "Well Wheatley was clearly stupid in portal 2". Well remember that Rattmann is schizophrenic and his mind was likely very unstable possibly causing either a bad conversion into the computer or some other problem like that. We also don't know quite how stupid wheately was when he was made. He could've been so stupid he didn't know the difference between apples and bananas.
3: When GLADOS "breaks" Wheately after she wakes up in portal 2, the next time you see him he is talking to himself. *cough cough* symptom of schizophrenia *cough cough*.
4: Why would Wheately be named wheately instead of the stupidity core or Rattmann. Well for one, why would you want to call yourself the stupidity core. Second, nothing IN-GAME references ANY of the spheres as the "space sphere", "fact sphere", and so on and so forth so they could have had names. Third, the scientists could have simply given the cores names. Fourth, Wheatley could've named himself that.

Now thats interesting. Each statment has a valid reason, but it can go both ways.

1. Wheatley safes Chell because she's the last human alive in all of the relaxation rooms, as well he says that he needs her help, not the other way around "Alright, look, okay, I'll be honest. You're the LAST test subject left. And if you DON'T help me, we're both going to die. Alright?"
2 & 3 & 4. A great observation. This can be disproved or aproved ether way. As you said, there are other cores and computers which has there own job. He was talking to nanobots or a computer in-charged of nanobots. This ether can be true or false (schizophrenia).
About the names it can as well go both ways. One way or another probably Wheatley wouldn't call him self a "moron core". How he got that name is a mystery, but one thing about idiots, they do not know or don't want to hear that they are idiots, if they are said that they are, they might get angry, and thats what happened to Wheatley when GLaDOS started the name calling competition.
Another thing about names, he called "Jerry" to the one in charged of nanobots. This can go both ways, but more to the schizophrenia side.

All in all, great thoughs. I tryed to connect Rattmann with Wheatley somehow, but never found a decent connection. Could be that ether you see it as they are one or seperated chars.

[milocricket]

Originally posted by Mr. Crowley:

Actually Cave states that they should had started this research before, they haven't figured out yet. After Cave pased away, in sometime it was researched.
Even though, in the comics there were pre-recorded messages, but the fact is that Caroline was already "inserted", so... Cave dead.

Maybe at the time they only had the time/technology to get one of them in? Either way I'll change that note I had.

[TheSpiderRebel]

Wow i belive you i never thaught about it

[milocricket]

I'm suprised this hasn't gotten much attention.

[Kendal]

If you only read the canon parts, it doesn't prove the point whatsoever. I doubt it.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by KyloX:

That was interesting to read this, great thoughs and ideas.
Another thing about names, he called "Jerry" to the one in charged of nanobots. This can go both ways, but more to the schizophrenia side.

There's also Rick the adventure core.

It would also be kind of a plot spoiler if you knew Wheatley was a core built specifically to come up with bad ideas.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Also the sphere and AI aren't two seperate things. . . the AI is the representation of the sphere's attribute. Also GLaDOS says the stupidity core had Wheatley's voice, in fact that was how she recognized who he was.

[acedust]

The story says (not from this but from other resources) that when GLaDOS went crazy Doug rattman put wheatly onto GLaDOS and escaped, later he got shot in the leg by a turret and died.

So He CANT be wheatly!

[acedust]

also wheatly was put in charge of the relaxation vault.

[acedust]

instead of management for like vacuum tubes

[Wolffman109]

I don't really think that Wheatley is Doug Rattmann. If Doug did transfer himself into Wheatley's body, wouldn't he have kept his memories? Unless the transfer procedure sapped them from him? All in all, I just think this goes against a lot of canon, not excluding the creepy rambling you keep hearing in Rattmann's dens.

[Makamakazi]

Originally posted by Wolffman109:

I don't really think that Wheatley is Doug Rattmann. If Doug did transfer himself into Wheatley's body, wouldn't he have kept his memories? Unless the transfer procedure sapped them from him? All in all, I just think this goes against a lot of canon, not excluding the creepy rambling you keep hearing in Rattmann's dens.

When GLaDOS was transferred, she lost all of her memory until it was jump started when her and Chell went to the old facility, so maybe the same could have happened with Wheatley.

Not only that, but in Portal 2 I don't remember there being as many Rattmann areas, and even if there were, remember this is the same facility that the first game took place in, so they could've been done before.

Something I'd like to add regarding the theory, is that we don't know what happens after the comics, other than Rattmann being shot by a turret. We are only left to assume he dies, which technically either way he does, but what I'd like to think is that he transferred his sentience into a core before his death, similar to Cave Johnson (which, I know it's not technically fully canon, but Cave does appear in Lego Dimensions as a core which is where I got this.)

[BurningCakeDoesAche]

Are you kidding me.