A hole in Cave Johnson's backstory

[Niker107]

In the Bring Your Daughter To Work room in Portal 2 there is a project with an overgrown potato, which is signed by Chell. In-game the text other than Chell's signature is not readable, however on the internet there is a picture where the text is readable (that picture is discussed and shown at 6:30 in the video here: http://youtu.be/dFXDFfxgKy8). In the left down corner it says "I asked my dad if I could do a different project because I already did a potato battery project in class last year, and he said 'No, Mr. Johnson would get mad.'" However, it wouldn't possible for 'Mr. Johnson to get mad', since by the time Chell's dad told her that, Cave Johnson would be dead.

The proof is: Cave said that if scientists didn't figure out a way to put him into a computer to immortalise him before his death, he'd want Caroline to be put in charge and instead put her into a computer, thus resulting in GLaDOS (since GLaDOS is Caroline). So GLaDOS could only be assembled after Johnson's death, since the only point at which Caroline could be put into a robot would be after Johnson's death. And since we know that Bring Your Daughter To Work day was the day that GLaDOS was turned on means that by the time Bring Your Daughter To Work day happened, Cave would already be dead. This is the hole in the backstory.

[ThePlagued]

And. can you source the part where it says GLaDOS was turned on by the time it happened?

[Silver0ptics]

Originally posted by ThePlagued:

And. can you source the part where it says GLaDOS was turned on by the time it happened?

well if cave was alive when GLADOS was made he would be inside it not Caroline... I

[ThePlagued]

Originally posted by foodhatesme:

Originally posted by ThePlagued:

And. can you source the part where it says GLaDOS was turned on by the time it happened?

well if cave was alive when GLADOS was made he would be inside it not Caroline... I :heart: :p2aperture:

oh.. kay. still doesnt prove this at all.

[LITTLE ASS KICKER]

dont forget about the corrupted cores.
If GLaDoS is caroline from the beginning, why are there corrupted cores? and why is there even a core replacement option if it was caroline all along?
I think Cave was one of the Cores but got corrupted, so they tested a few other cores till they perfected it and put caroline into a core as Glados.

[Tomberry Blue]

The Cores were made to counter balance Glados' tendencies to horribly murder people.

[Dat-Mudkip]

This is confusing. I honestly like this. No clue, but I'm subing to the disscussion. I want answers.

[mltnschroeder]

I think the dialogue we hear during the game infers Glados is a combination of both Cave Johnson's and Caroline's personalities. When the voice of Cave is threatening to burn down your house with lemons, PotatOS agrees with him woleheartedly. Around the same time PotatOS also recognises Caroline's voice as her own. We also learn at the end of the game, that Caroline's personality imbued Glados with a sense of morality (which Glados then deletes once she identifies it). SO it would seem Glados's front-end programming comes from Caroline, while the psychotic impulsive part of the AI comes from Cave.

Thus to comment on the OP's theory, it would seem the psychotic part of Glados was already functioning during Bring your Daughter to Work Day (ie. Cave's brain had been successfully save to disc, but whether he was dead or not is unknown). We don't know exactly when they tried installing the morality part (nor whether the process of having her brain saved to disc resulted in Caroline's death or not). All we know is that the installation failed to bring Glados under control.

[jams]

I think i know what hapenned. When Cave said that "why can't they put him on a computer to save him?" After that, he said that if its not posibble, he wants Caroline to run the facility. She doesnt wanted to. Now, there are two posibble ending:

1. Caroline maybe agreed. A lot of time passed, and now they figured out how could they put someone on a computer. Caroline was dieing because she was old or hurt. And they just put her on the computer (GLaDOS).

2. Caroline doesnt wanted to run it. Than after a while, when they figured out how to do it, they put Caroline into a computer. But she still doesnt wanted to test, thats why they put a little bit of Cave to the computer too.

I think the 2nd is more posibble, because i think in the 1st one, she wouldnt be so bad. Well, in the story, we dont know much about Caroline, but i think she wasnt a bad person.

And another thing. Im not sure that the other personal on that computer is Cave, but someone should be. Because, when GLaDOS said "Caroline deleted" Caroline was deleted, but something else should be on it. I can tell a lot of things about the story, because i know the whole storyline, and more important, the hidden or untold story parts. I think the untold storyline is even more longer. For example, in Portal 1, at the end, GLaDOS said "Black Mesa". And in Portal 2, what could we found at the old facility? Borailis... That unknown ship from Half Life 2 series. I think if there would be Portal 3, we could be sure that the Aperture Science and Black Mesa is connected. If you want me to tell more about it, add me to your friendlist.

[Dat-Mudkip]

Perhaps Cave was originally put in, but perhaps that
-They found that Cave's brain being inserted was simply not enough to allow everything to properly function.
-They may have been unable to completley insert all of Cave's brain for one reason or another [maybe because of the disease he contracted...?] and as a result they inserted Caroline to either assist in allowing full capablities or simply as a back up prossecer
-Caroline was originally a backup, in case something went sour. Either Caroline wanted control anyway or -more likely- Cave somewhat failed, and Caroline was SUPPOSED to take over, but Cave's side wanted to remain in control despite being semi-inoperable, and as a result it could have been an internal fight that may have actually caused the whole faciluty to be killed to start with [either accidente or perhaps a threat carried by one half to try and convince the other to allow full control, but the second half did not believe this or complie, so the first half either carried it on].


Honestly a tough call here, and personally this brings up a second issue:

According to the Portal comics, GLaDOS attempted to use neuro-toxin everytime it was started up. Everytime however, she[?] was succesfully shut down. Eventually, she claimed to be calm and willing to work for scince, only wanting a little neuro-toxin to re-create an experiment. However, upon being fed the neruo-toxin, she immeditaly used it on the scientests, and only one escaped -along with Chell, somehow-, everyone else dying. However, in Portal, she is about to unleash a 'suprise', when suddenly a core falls out. Upon tossing it into the incenorator, she states it was meant to limit or entirerly PREVENT use of neuro-toxin, being installed by the scientests themselves [and it also allowed control over the rockets, but eh...].

As such, if there WAS a neruo-toxin core, how did she kill the scientests? And it takes Chell a full five minuties before it actually kills her, suggesting that it needs to reach certain levels before becoming lethal [sort of like radiation]. However, the comic states that it was going to pretty much kill you just seconds after inhailing it. So, what is the real cause here?

[Aurum34]

simple, glados was activated in the bring your daughter to work day so cave probably died just a couple of days before that and science projects usually are made 1 month earlier