Unclean One alt fight is unfair

[DALOS]

Obviously I know this is supposed to be a hard game but no boss has ever insta-killed me. I've maxed out my health and armor but it's still happening. This is not right.

[DALOS]

Originally posted by Neyreyan_Youtube:

Originally posted by DALOS:

Obviously I know this is supposed to be a hard game but no boss has ever insta-killed me. I've maxed out my health and armor but it's still happening. This is not right.

well, you havent seen the queen fight, that is 10 times worse

The alt butcher is hard to counter because he hits he ground with his hammer, either jump or maybe use the rift walker, storm caller, blink maybe or flicker etc.

They want to make you use defensive skills by introducing instant kill regardless of armor/health/traits

Problem is I don't have half of them and the other half doesn't work. Storm Caller in particular doesn't help at all because it only makes me die in 2 ground pounds without the benefit of dodge rolling. Even then that's not my only problem. Every time he throws the axe it's an insta kill. If the queen is worse than this then there's some balancing needed.

[Gremlin Yursa]

i-frames i-frames i-frames

[Nyra]

I'm having trouble as well, if you want a partner.

[tragic]

Originally posted by Neyreyan_Youtube:

Originally posted by DALOS:

Obviously I know this is supposed to be a hard game but no boss has ever insta-killed me. I've maxed out my health and armor but it's still happening. This is not right.

well, you havent seen the queen fight, that is 10 times worse

The alt butcher is hard to counter because he hits he ground with his hammer, either jump or maybe use the rift walker, storm caller, blink maybe or flicker etc.

They want to make you use defensive skills by introducing instant kill regardless of armor/health/traits

You can do this fight naked. All you need to do is dodge.

[pcdeltalink]

Beat him first try. Just gotta time those rolls properly to dodge the ground pounds. It's really not too difficult since for most of them he has a long windup animation. Other form had hammer throw so you should already be used to that and the timing to dodge it.

What does take some getting used to is the weak spot change. Having it be on his butt rather than his face makes the fight take much longer especially since you don't get as many chances as I'd like to target that area easily. Really only chance for that is when he's going to retrieve a hammer.

[Xamikaze]

Originally posted by tragic:

Originally posted by Neyreyan_Youtube:

well, you havent seen the queen fight, that is 10 times worse

The alt butcher is hard to counter because he hits he ground with his hammer, either jump or maybe use the rift walker, storm caller, blink maybe or flicker etc.

They want to make you use defensive skills by introducing instant kill regardless of armor/health/traits

You can do this fight naked. All you need to do is dodge.

If you can do it naked, what is the point of super heavy armour? It barely mitigates damage anymore with the DLC and nerf to all res and the restriction you get on dodge are just not worth the "benefits" you get in return...

[tragic]

The point of any armor is to get the perk. My point about being able to fight him naked was that you don't need armor to complete this fight, you simply need to dodge at the right time. This guy has no adds, no distractions. The goal is to avoid damage not mow down adds.

[Divinehero]

how do u even trigger the alt thing for him? haven't figured it out

[pcdeltalink]

Originally posted by Divinehero:

how do u even trigger the alt thing for him? haven't figured it out

When you enter his hut immediately veer right and go down to the basement. There is a pot down there you can interact with and hide in.

[Crack4kids31]

That fight is not that bad it's hard yes but Tragic is right just need to dodge at the right times as someone who is godawful at dodging if I can do it you can too

There are also rings that bring up evasion length I think also, which might help a it maybe try light armor for faster dodging or even Mudtooths red drink and that health ring that gives 25 health since the hammer is not actually a instakill at least not on hard

I did it with hunters armor for that weakspot dmg on that big old butt

[Xamikaze]

Originally posted by tragic:

The point of any armor is to get the perk. My point about being able to fight him naked was that you don't need armor to complete this fight, you simply need to dodge at the right time. This guy has no adds, no distractions. The goal is to avoid damage not mow down adds.

And my point is to explain to you that some of the fights are just impossible to deal with heavy/ultra heavy armours. Just try the Iskal queen or the Unclean One alternate kill with heavy... Their attacks have random speed paterns and if you are unlucky and they decide to make 2 quick attacks you don't get time to recover and you die. I'm playing mostly on hard, and even with the Leto, the Unclean One can OS me with some of his moves. But unlike light, I can not chain dodge his combos.

Armour, in its current state, is a useless stat, it needs a serious buff to compensate for the lack of mobility caused by weigth.

[Azrael]

Ok not sure if anyone said this already. The Unclean boss dont roll when he is about to use hammer aoe just stand still and hit dodge button Your I frames do the rest and fight as normal.

Also look at the queens position for first phace she announces her attacks. Second phase menders circle gave me all the time in the world cause her follow ups are quite slow. When she rears up menders circle shoot as normal. Again rolling isnt needed regular dodging again gave me the iframes and time needed.

Letos armor helps in the queen fight or even a flicker will help. I personally did it in cultist armor. Also dont forget greenleaf before entering the queen.

Lastly the queen is very weak to one element but that is spoilers good luck.

[DALOS]

To respond to a lot of these comments in general. "Just dodge roll" is the most blanket advice for any challenge in this game. Obviously I'm trying that and I'm fairly good at it. Problem is, one mistake can cost the fight, his slam isn't even the only one that insta-kills.

Now. I DID manage to beat it after respecing all my points and making a dedicated tank build (which at least let me survive 1 strike), but even then I still needed a friend to help me and we both spent that combat resing each other.

There is another problem with this fight that I didn't mention before. It takes a long time between deaths just to get back, and that just leaves time for patience to ware thin. The checkpoint needs to be closer to the door.

[tragic]

Originally posted by DALOS:

To respond to a lot of these comments in general. "Just dodge roll" is the most blanket advice for any challenge in this game. Obviously I'm trying that and I'm fairly good at it. Problem is, one mistake can cost the fight, his slam isn't even the only one that insta-kills.

Now. I DID manage to beat it after respecing all my points and making a dedicated tank build (which at least let me survive 1 strike), but even then I still needed a friend to help me and we both spent that combat resing each other.

There is another problem with this fight that I didn't mention before. It takes a long time between deaths just to get back, and that just leaves time for patience to ware thin. The checkpoint needs to be closer to the door.

It's not meant to be blanket advice for everything, but it is what this boss was designed around. There's no adds so we put the emphasis on avoiding for this fight. You can absolutely wear Leto's in this fight, especially if you neutral dodge more or use Leto's Amulet (or the 2 new rings that reduce Encumbrance together).

He definitely is more of a 1 or 2 mistake fight, depending on the difficulty.

[The_K00lDude]

I mean what fight's arn't focused around dodging? every boss seem's to have a focus on dodging since you can't necessarily face tank everything, I know there's bosses that you gotta break things to then hurt the boss, but your still dodging every second :p