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foreground noise Aug 24, 2019 @ 3:40pm
Is it too much to ask for a boss with no adds?
I think I'm near the end (and have played through the first half ~4 additional times with friends) now and have not encountered a single boss that was properly difficult, only bosses aided by 10s of adds. The Unclean was close, only 2 guys helping him - more like that!
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Originally posted by jackhickman999:
Originally posted by Draescan:
Even after having beaten the game I have to say i was really disappointed in the lack of innovation in the majority of the boss fights. There are exceptions and I wish I could be specific but I'm hesitant due to the spoilers. Sadly there's maybe 3 of these from the selection of bosses I've seen that aren't boring add spam fests. One in particular made me re-ignite a hatred I haven't felt since pain elementals in plutonia -_-

Also, can we PLEASE not break off damage cycles just because someone is doing too much damage? That ♥♥♥♥'s annoying and drags the fights out for no reason....

The sad thing is that apparently there a lot of people that don't want innovation. They also think ads are totally required which is complete bull it's an opinion of theirs. I know good bosses without ads do exist and there are bosses that don't need ads but have them anyways when they don't need them.
Few studios have ever really bothered with the genre and really had a good go a making really exceptional bosses.

Why work towards a really good boss when you can make an okay one and shovel ads with it.
Every time I was almost engaging with a boss and almost enjoying their movesets despite them being a little on the weak side ads would run in and make a boss fight feel like normal gameplay.

The funny thing is the ads with the great unclean one were honestly useless and just an annoying fly they didn't add other than making me more bored and taking away the focus from the boss which made him a bit ♥♥♥♥ when he's not a bad boss.

People also keep making out this game is really hard when there is like 1 boss that was hard due to ad spam. Like clearly quite new fans or just weren't active on the forums for those games because I'd recognise them from somewhere.
Like this game for the most part is really easy much easier than most souls-likes also there are multiples games for soulsbornekiro and they are a lot more difficult parts due to their being so many bosses all in all. So why are the making it out it's the same level of difficulty it a real nice level of difficulty but it doesn't hit the same levels as a souls games it's no where near as long for one thing and it get real hard at times in souls.

Bosses need to be have better movesets and pathing to get more difficult but apparently ads are needed instead. Like you can just throw more ads in the fight because yes it makes it more difficult but interesting, rewarding it isn't.
I can use the light bow gun in monster hunter and it's hard without ads.
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foreground noise Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:11pm 
Originally posted by yikesh:
a boss without adds, yea that would be so much more interesting wouldn't it
As if including enemies you've seen a hundred times already makes it more interesting, hah!
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Kintaro Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:12pm 
Originally posted by yikesh:
a boss without adds, yea that would be so much more interesting wouldn't it

not really. the reason is that you fight 90% of the time ads and 10% the boss. which makes the bosses not the "important" part, but since there are no specific boss mechanics it would be crazy lazy and easy. wouldn' it
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Sweets Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:19pm 
Originally posted by moon haunter:
Originally posted by yikesh:
a boss without adds, yea that would be so much more interesting wouldn't it
As if including enemies you've seen a hundred times already makes it more interesting, hah!
the world has been thrown into chaos by an ancient evil from another dimension. As one of the last remnants of humanity, you must set out alone or alongside up to two other survivors to ........................................face down hordes of deadly enemies............................................... to try to carve a foothold, rebuild, and retake what was lost.
hordes of deadly enemies
hordes of deadly enemies
HORDES
OF
DEADLY
ENEMIES!!!
lets be real here it what the game advertise if you wanted 3v1 or 1v1 boss fights and the devs wanted that they would had remark
"Face tough and complex bosses each with it's own unique mechanics"
HORDES HORDES HORDES
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Kintaro Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:20pm 
Originally posted by MetalWolf:
Originally posted by moon haunter:
As if including enemies you've seen a hundred times already makes it more interesting, hah!
the world has been thrown into chaos by an ancient evil from another dimension. As one of the last remnants of humanity, you must set out alone or alongside up to two other survivors to ........................................face down hordes of deadly enemies............................................... to try to carve a foothold, rebuild, and retake what was lost.
hordes of deadly enemies
hordes of deadly enemies
HORDES
OF
DEADLY
ENEMIES!!!
lets be real here it what the game advertise if you wanted 3v1 or 1v1 boss fights and the devs wanted that they would had remark
"Face tough and complex bosses each with it's own unique mechanics"
HORDES HORDES HORDES


JUST THIS:
"Face tough and complex bosses each with it's own unique mechanics"

A total lie btw.

complex? kill ads -> shoot boss if you killed enough ads
Last edited by Kintaro; Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:21pm
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foreground noise Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:20pm 
Originally posted by MetalWolf:
the world has been thrown into chaos by an ancient evil from another dimension. As one of the last remnants of humanity, you must set out alone or alongside up to two other survivors to ........................................face down hordes of deadly enemies............................................... to try to carve a foothold, rebuild, and retake what was lost.
hordes of deadly enemies
hordes of deadly enemies
HORDES
OF
DEADLY
ENEMIES!!!
lets be real here it what the game advertise if you wanted 3v1 or 1v1 boss fights and the devs wanted that they would had remark
"Face tough and complex bosses each with it's own unique mechanics"
HORDES HORDES HORDES

Your comments are satirical, right?
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Sweets Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:23pm 
Originally posted by /*Kintaro:
Originally posted by MetalWolf:
the world has been thrown into chaos by an ancient evil from another dimension. As one of the last remnants of humanity, you must set out alone or alongside up to two other survivors to ........................................face down hordes of deadly enemies............................................... to try to carve a foothold, rebuild, and retake what was lost.
hordes of deadly enemies
hordes of deadly enemies
HORDES
OF
DEADLY
ENEMIES!!!
lets be real here it what the game advertise if you wanted 3v1 or 1v1 boss fights and the devs wanted that they would had remark
"Face tough and complex bosses each with it's own unique mechanics"
HORDES HORDES HORDES


JUST THIS:
"Face tough and complex bosses each with it's own unique mechanics"

A total lie btw.

complex? kill ads -> shoot boss if you killed enough ads
exactly
the game did not lie though we do in fact face hordes of enemies and if the op had play nightmare he/she would know that boss add's are fine. it's swarms of elites that will make you wish you never picked up this game
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drumroll Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:24pm 
Originally posted by moon haunter:
I think I'm near the end (and have played through the first half ~4 additional times with friends) now and have not encountered a single boss that was properly difficult, only bosses aided by 10s of adds. The Unclean was close, only 2 guys helping him - more like that!

Literally came to the forum to plead the developers to change this aspect of the game.

The bosses are the weakest point of the game by far and ruin much of the enjoyment.

I'm trying to beat singe at the moment but the boss is irrelevant in the face of endless adds that spawn as fast as you can kill them....and can also run the same speed as you and are tanky as ♥♥♥♥ for me.

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Sacred)(Rhaine Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:25pm 
Still waiting for someone to post an example of good boss design in a rpg shooter.

People keep saying the bosses need to change but nobody is giving an example of a good one.
Last edited by Sacred)(Rhaine; Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:26pm
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brownie689 Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:27pm 
Originally posted by moon haunter:
Originally posted by yikesh:
a boss without adds, yea that would be so much more interesting wouldn't it
As if including enemies you've seen a hundred times already makes it more interesting, hah!



GIT GUD YOU SCRUB.
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foreground noise Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:30pm 
Originally posted by Sacred:
Still waiting for someone to post an example of good boss design in a rpg shooter.

People keep saying the bosses need to change but nobody is giving an example of a good one.

Doom. There, happy?
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King Beef!!!! Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:31pm 
Considering how quick you'd run out of ammo I think it is a fair trade off. It can be annoying I do understand but I have noticed that every boss fight so far has required me to change at least one mod of some sort and deal with the ads in correlation to that fight. I mean they could give you more base ammo so they wouldn't have to always spawn ads but then it'd make them too easy. I could honestly face tank most bosses if I didn't have to worry about ammo pacing and that's once I get their mechanics down.
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Sacred)(Rhaine Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:32pm 
Originally posted by moon haunter:
Originally posted by Sacred:
Still waiting for someone to post an example of good boss design in a rpg shooter.

People keep saying the bosses need to change but nobody is giving an example of a good one.

Doom. There, happy?

Dooms an rpg shooter?

Doom isn't an rpg shooter.
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Sweets Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:34pm 


Originally posted by Sacred:
Still waiting for someone to post an example of good boss design in a rpg shooter.

People keep saying the bosses need to change but nobody is giving an example of a good one.
not many
the mechanic is not bad it is in fact very good and so are the boss fights in this game
It's something called Personal Flaws that make it hard for people
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crusay Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:35pm 
game bosses suck. I good compromise would be make the respawning of adds take longer, but seems like that would be a simple fix and lord knows most game companies cant do simple fixes anymore
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Sacred)(Rhaine Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:36pm 
Originally posted by crusay:
game bosses suck. I good compromise would be make the respawning of adds take longer, but seems like that would be a simple fix and lord knows most game companies cant do simple fixes anymore

It would also make every boss too easy. its supposed to be a fairly difficult game.
Last edited by Sacred)(Rhaine; Aug 24, 2019 @ 4:37pm
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