Forced political stuff damages the story

[Giga]

I had no idea about all the controversy that followed Wolfenstein 2 before it came out. Yet when I started playing, I soon noticed a trend. Some of the stuff:

- BJ is a white man, but since we can't have a straight white male being the hero, let's at least make him disabled
- BJ's dad is a cartoonish depiction of toxic patriarchy, while the mother is a loving angel
- BJ has a black girlfriend as a boy even though at the time that would've been unheard of
- the whiny, obese daughter is a good person to the core, while the thin career-driven mother who wants her to lose some weight is literally a Nazi psycho
- a black single mother has a long and terribly placed speech about how the figure of speech "balls of steel" is bad because it glorifies men
- BJ uses the term "white♥♥♥♥♥Nazis" as an insult, which made me cringe from how forced it was
- black people fight back, white people love the Nazis
- "the south belongs to the KKK" or something like that was said

I also discovered that women breastfeeding in public is considered a huge taboo in America and that a franchise that features a nazi moon base is apparently breaking new ground by adding such a scene, even though we already saw naked boobs in The New Order.

I haven't finished the game yet, but I have a feeling there's going to be more stuff like this.

To me, Wolfenstein franchise is about over the top heroes killing over the top Nazis in a variety of bloody ways, in a steampunk setting. It's like an 80s action movie. It's dumb fun, and I love it.

So why do you have to force the political stuff? Is it because the controversy will sell more copies? Do you think it makes the story better? It doesn't. It just breaks immersion and takes me out of the game.

Get your politics out of my nazi-shooting simulator!

[DogMeat]

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

If I might offer my own take on this, just as an observation:

In The New Order, J says the US government "ran scared...mother-♥♥♥♥♥♥ gave up...Nazi asked the Man to get down on his knees, and the Man was all too happy to pucker up, and start kissing Nazi ass, like it was the most natural thing in the world"

I saw the signs of far left ideology in TNO, was afraid they'd double down on it in TNC. They tripled down on it.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Your average American is most likely sh!tting bricks after the atom bomb hit New York. Not to mention that your "average" white American is the only person who might be spared the Nazis' boot, not being Jewish, black, gay or anything else the Nazis demonised. That's quite a notable thing to consider.

So, by that logic it would be appropriate to have a game where America was invaded by a black power, whites were treated horribly and the black population, while also brutally kept in line, would be apathetic or happy about this.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

I present the diner scene.

A single scene of a mother worried about a child saying the wrong thing in this authoritarian world when we just experienced sequence after sequence on the walk to the diner of the population's excitement and acceptance of the Nazi's.

You've really demolished my point.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

This scene shows a mother hurriedly sheperding her son out of a Diner when a Nazi general enters it. I think this shows the sort of attitude your average white American has in the Wolfenstein universe: frightened and unwilling to actually confront the Nazis.

An insulting view.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Another notable quote that might sum up another position of some people in the more southern a parts of the US in particular, from BJ's dad:
"What happened was we had a big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ war, and now we've got a new government with new rules... They rounded up all the Jews, and the coloreds and the queers. This is a white man's world now. White man's got to keep it Christian."

You do realize the KKK fought the Nazi's during WW2?

The ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥... KKK.

That is not a defense of the KKK.

It is my insult to the Nazis.

That line was also a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insult to Christians.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

If you've ever seen Sacha Baron Cohen's Who Is Amerca, you'll know that some parts of America can be pretty damn conservative, to put it mildly, as well. It makes sense that following the Axis victory in the Wolfenstein timeline, the conservative parts of the USA are still alive and well.

"Conservative"? You are talking to a conservative.

♥♥♥♥ the Nazis.

♥♥♥♥ the Communists.

[Deuterium the Sentient Mattress]

We were having a nice discussion here, Meaty. But fine, I'll bite.

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

RtCW & Wolfenstein 2009 had stories as well and they didn't need to rely on identity politics.

Not a good comparison IMO. Also their stories weren't as deep as the New Order timeline's, arguably.

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

As seen through the lens of identity poolitics.

You really don't have anything else to say, do you?

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

Spesh isn't in the room and you have characters like BJ's father Rip. Comments on White's rolling over for the Nazis (along with the actual portrayal of the resistance being formed by everything but white americans) and the happy return of slavery.

Spesh not being in the room is irrelavent. You can mock someone without them being in the room.
Also, Rip is not as inaccurate a portrayal of some parts of rural America as you may expect.

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

That ridiculous speech was throwaway? Ok.

If you think that speech was meant to glorify manshaming then you seriously have no idea what characterisation is. Grace is a zealot. Of course she's gonna have some extrreme opinions. These opinions are not glorified.

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There are bad ass women and then there is portraying pregnant women in combat.

Go look up Trung Trac and the peasants' revolt she led in Vietnam.

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

So instead of portraying the white victims and the black victims banding together to form a resistance they instead create a segregated group because white america would not ally with them

Missed the point.
The Nazis would treat the white people nicer than they do the black people. As Rip puts it in game: "You play by [the Nazis'] rules, and you can do very well for yourself!"

For the record as well,

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

the white victims and the black victims banding together

They kind of did. Wander around Eva's Hammer for a while. Most of the people in it are white.

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

His entire group is Communist and the Black Panther party was Marxist. "But they don't call themselves Black Panthers". They use the exact same imagery, iconography and her beliefs match theirs.

My point is that that doesn't matter. Grace and Horton are never, ever portrayed as being perfect or even as being "the only ones who can save the world" because the point is that i they could have they would have. The ones that brought them together were the Kreisau Circle. Grace for one is a complete ass hat to pretty much everyone on the Eva's Hammer.

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

Heroes don't torture. An issue I strongly disliked in TNO as well.

MachineGames doesn't know how to write heroic characters. Just look at their past. Anti-heroes.

Who says BJ has to be a stock cleft-chinned American hero type? If he was he'd have no substance at all, he'd be as flat as a French pancake character-wise.

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Its simply one more hot-button social justice issue with no middle ground representation.

That has... what exactly to do with what I said?

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

That was an atrocious post.

Yet again you haven't told us why.

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

Sparked or not the content backs up the views falling in line with the marketing.

I am not of that opinion for reasons I've stated above, but I respect that you are and that I'm unable to change your opinion.

Now, as I asked in the other thread: Can we please not have another argument?

[DogMeat]

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Not a good comparison IMO. Also their stories weren't as deep as the New Order timeline's, arguably.

That wasn't a comparison.

You said even games like Doom have a story.

I pointed out that a game can have a story and not have identity politics.

Now you are telling me that they aren't as deep as New Order's storyline.

'Depth' doesn't always mean 'better'.

You seem to switch tracks drastically from time to time.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

You really don't have anything else to say, do you?

It's kind of a thing I happen to know about.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Spesh not being in the room is irrelavent. You can mock someone without them being in the room.

To the Nazis.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Also, Rip is not as inaccurate a portrayal of some parts of rural America as you may expect.

He hates Jews... but married one.

He is an over the top caricature because the writers couldn't have a character that opposes Nazis without some ridiculous driving force.

An idiotic origin story.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

If you think that speech was meant to glorify manshaming then you seriously have no idea what characterisation is. Grace is a zealot. Of course she's gonna have some extrreme opinions. These opinions are not glorified.

They aren't?

I seem to recall another sequence later with a pregnant woman... It's pretty clear the writers have a certain view on the issue.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Go look up Trung Trac and the peasants' revolt she led in Vietnam.

Very relevant/

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Missed the point.
The Nazis would treat the white people nicer than they do the black people. As Rip puts it in game: "You play by [the Nazis'] rules, and you can do very well for yourself!"

Speaking of missing the point.

That is an insulting view that suggests that because SOME white people would be willing to be stinking collaberators that the MAJORITY is portrayed as such who are shown the way by Communists.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

They kind of did. Wander around Eva's Hammer for a while. Most of the people in it are white.

ARE THEY AMERICAN?

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

My point is that that doesn't matter. Grace and Horton are never, ever portrayed as being perfect or even as being "the only ones who can save the world" because the point is that i they could have they would have. The ones that brought them together were the Kreisau Circle. Grace for one is a complete ass hat to pretty much everyone on the Eva's Hammer.

And she is immediately given a high position and leads them to victory.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Who says BJ has to be a stock cleft-chinned American hero type? If he was he'd have no substance at all, he'd be as flat as a French pancake character-wise.

In other words a decent protagonist in a FPS game?

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

That has... what exactly to do with what I said?

Reread it until you figure it out.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Yet again you haven't told us why.

So now I need to copy and paste their arguments and counter them. I'm arguing with you and your politics are starting to make sense based on what you think was a good post.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

I am not of that opinion for reasons I've stated above, but I respect that you are and that I'm unable to change your opinion.

You're kidding right? All of the views on white America expressed in the game mirror the marketing.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

Now, as I asked in the other thread: Can we please not have another argument?

Is this some strategy where you want to quit but you want to have the last word?

No... I want to talk about this. If you don't feel free to leave. I ignore the other threads on this forum. I have no interest in them. I stick to the political threads.

What you're doing would be like me going into some story thread telling everyone to stop talking about the story and bumping it because I don't like it.

[furbleburble]

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

We were having a nice discussion here, Meaty. But fine, I'll bite.

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

RtCW & Wolfenstein 2009 had stories as well and they didn't need to rely on identity politics.

Not a good comparison IMO. Also their stories weren't as deep as the New Order timeline's, arguably.

His is a perfectly acceptable comparison (Edit: Actually, like he said, it wasn't a comparison). The depth of the story is irrelevent. The point was, a game doesn't need the supposedly deep story of Wolf 2 in order to be a good and enjoyable game.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

That ridiculous speech was throwaway? Ok.

If you think that speech was meant to glorify manshaming then you seriously have no idea what characterisation is. Grace is a zealot. Of course she's gonna have some extrreme opinions. These opinions are not glorified.

There are zealots who expect men to be ashamed of what they are. There are zealots who expect whites to be ashamed of what they are. There are zealots who expect straight people to be ashamed of what they are. Zealotry is a hallmark of extremists. This sounds a lot like SJWs when you think about it.

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İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

There are bad ass women and then there is portraying pregnant women in combat.

Go look up Trung Trac and the peasants' revolt she led in Vietnam.

Part of me says, "Why would you write a pregnant woman in combat?", and another part of me says, "Drastic times call for drastic measures."

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

So instead of portraying the white victims and the black victims banding together to form a resistance they instead create a segregated group because white america would not ally with them

Missed the point.
The Nazis would treat the white people nicer than they do the black people. As Rip puts it in game: "You play by [the Nazis'] rules, and you can do very well for yourself!"

You're effectively saying, "Whites really have no reason to ally with non-whites." However unintentional, this effectively supports DogMeat's claim, perhaps indirectly, that the game portrays whites as not caring about blacks (Edit: I probably should have said non-whites, which includes blacks but is not specific to them). However, given the time-frame, I don't know that they would, which is a valid argument in itself. But, plenty of white people fought and died for black freedom before, during, and after the US Civil War, and people tend to forget this.

İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

His entire group is Communist and the Black Panther party was Marxist. "But they don't call themselves Black Panthers". They use the exact same imagery, iconography and her beliefs match theirs.

My point is that that doesn't matter. Grace and Horton are never, ever portrayed as being perfect or even as being "the only ones who can save the world" because the point is that i they could have they would have. The ones that brought them together were the Kreisau Circle. Grace for one is a complete ass hat to pretty much everyone on the Eva's Hammer.

From what I understand, people have a problem with Grace being made leader. Why was she? What did she bring to the table that Caroline didn't have? Why was Caroline killed off, seemingly, so Grace could become leader? Why couldn't someone else be written into leadership, someone more qualified and less a-hole? Even if the game is not SJW propaganda, these questions alone will cause people to think it is. They're rhetorical and serve to help illustrate a point, btw. The majority of the responses I've seen are "You don't like women," and, "You don't like blacks." People want to know what Grace's qualifications are besides "Black Vagina Power!" Kill someone who held the group together well and replace her with someone no one (in game) likes. It's a rather dumb decision.

[DogMeat]

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Part of me says, "Why would you write a pregnant woman in combat?", and another part of me says, "Drastic times call for drastic measures."

I agree but this isn't a:

"OH MY GOD THEY'RE INVADING EVERYONE TO ARMS OR WE'RE ALL DEAD!"
moment.

It's a:
"We have a ship full of able bodied men and women. Send the pregnant woman along with."

[Michael]

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One thing I can definitely see as problematic is BJ calling a Nazi a "White Nazi." This is a definite indication of white hatred. But it could also just be stupid dialogue.

Stupid dialog?

I see it as gaslighting because other characters say a few times, but only after BJ gets to NYC. None of this crap is in the first game and that needs to be said.

[H U G E]

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One thing I can definitely see as problematic is BJ calling a Nazi a "White Nazi." This is a definite indication of white hatred. But it could also just be stupid dialogue.

Stupid dialog?

I see it as gaslighting because other characters say a few times, but only after BJ gets to NYC. None of this crap is in the first game and that needs to be said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p26xGXbam_w

[Michael]

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Stupid dialog?

I see it as gaslighting because other characters say a few times, but only after BJ gets to NYC. None of this crap is in the first game and that needs to be said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p26xGXbam_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aw3df-LpbY

[H U G E]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p26xGXbam_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aw3df-LpbY

That guy looks strangely like jim carrey in costume makeup. Lol.

[Deuterium the Sentient Mattress]

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His is a perfectly acceptable comparison (Edit: Actually, like he said, it wasn't a comparison). The depth of the story is irrelevent. The point was, a game doesn't need the supposedly deep story of Wolf 2 in order to be a good and enjoyable game.

You have a fair point - but I personally did find the story enjoyable.

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There are zealots who expect men to be ashamed of what they are. There are zealots who expect whites to be ashamed of what they are. There are zealots who expect straight people to be ashamed of what they are. Zealotry is a hallmark of extremists. This sounds a lot like SJWs when you think about it.

I refer back again to the point that these elements are not glorified. Grace is a part of the KC not because their ideologies 100% match, and indeed BJ seems unfazed by both Grace and Spesh, but out of necessity since they have a common enemy.

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Part of me says, "Why would you write a pregnant woman in combat?", and another part of me says, "Drastic times call for drastic measures."

I personally think it's just supposed to be a disbelief-suspending moment of badass.

İlk olarak furbleburble tarafından gönderildi:

You're effectively saying, "Whites really have no reason to ally with non-whites." However unintentional, this effectively supports DogMeat's claim, perhaps indirectly, that the game portrays whites as not caring about blacks (Edit: I probably should have said non-whites, which includes blacks but is not specific to them). However, given the time-frame, I don't know that they would, which is a valid argument in itself. But, plenty of white people fought and died for black freedom before, during, and after the US Civil War, and people tend to forget this.

That is a point - but (and I may be wrong here but this is going by logic to a degree) do you think the Nazis would make a big show of what they did to their undesirables in the long run? They only gave BJ's execution a big show because he had committed acts of terrorism, by their definition, against the Reich, and even to the people in the concentration camps during th Holocaust, they were told they were just having a shower when they were gassed in the chambers. My point here is not that white people had no reason to ally with non-whites, but that they were lulled into believing they didn't. As yone can see by the time of TNC, most of America has just sort of begrudgingly accepted that the Nazis are in power now.

As for America as a whole, let's not forget that they were meant to be neutral up until 1941 when Pearl Harbour got bombed. I say "meant to" because they did get involved a few times but it was Pearl Harbour that definitively sent them into the War.

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From what I understand, people have a problem with Grace being made leader. Why was she? What did she bring to the table that Caroline didn't have? Why was Caroline killed off, seemingly, so Grace could become leader? Why couldn't someone else be written into leadership, someone more qualified and less a-hole? Even if the game is not SJW propaganda, these questions alone will cause people to think it is. They're rhetorical and serve to help illustrate a point, btw. The majority of the responses I've seen are "You don't like women," and, "You don't like blacks." People want to know what Grace's qualifications are besides "Black Vagina Power!" Kill someone who held the group together well and replace her with someone no one (in game) likes. It's a rather dumb decision.

Admittedly I also had a problem with that scene initially. Grace moves straight into Caroline's old room and I was like "Hold on a minute! Isn't that a bit insensitive of her?" Though I later realised, again, that that is part of Grace's character, she doesn't give much of a sh!t about other people, and the crew noticeably don't like her much - I remember Fergus in his timeline really is not keen. And this, again, to me emphasises the idea that they've banded together out of necessity to face down a comon enemy rather than actually sharing an ideology. The idea of the KC is "topple the Nazis now, bicker about ideology later".

As for why Caroline was killed off, I think the reason for that is twofold: To provide a WHAM moment at the beginning of the game as the Eva's Hammer is invaded and the Kreisau Circle crippled and to give an excuse for BJ not being wheelchair-bound for half the game.

At the time that Grace comes into the picture the Eva's Hammer is still recovering from the attack from the Ausmerzer, so they need someone, anyone to rope them back together, and who better than (irrespective of her race, gender or colour) the person who happens to already have not only a plan, but also connections to all of the USA's resistance cells? I will freely admit that the game didn't explain this well and the writing could have made this a tad clearer - heck, it's not the only point in the game where the writing is a tad more sloppy than in TNO, case in point Set, who was pretty cool and level-headed in the first game, but in TNC he's more of a offbeat, doddery old zadye type and it's a tad jarring.

[Deuterium the Sentient Mattress]

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İlk olarak ＨＵＧＥ tarafından gönderildi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p26xGXbam_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aw3df-LpbY

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/truth-revolt/

[Michael]

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İlk olarak Michael tarafından gönderildi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aw3df-LpbY

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/truth-revolt/

Nice fake "fact checker"

https://www.wnd.com/2017/02/phony-baloney-the-9-fakest-fake-news-checkers/

MediaBIasFactCheck.com describes itself as “the most comprehensive media bias resource in the Internet.” The site is owned by Dave Van Zandt from North Carolina, who offers no biographical information about himself aside from the following: “Dave has been freelancing for 25+ years for a variety of print and web mediums (sic), with a focus on media bias and the role of media in politics. Dave is a registered Non-Affiliated voter who values evidence based reporting” and, “Dave Van Zandt obtained a Communications Degree before pursuing a higher degree in the sciences. Dave currently works full time in the health care industry. Dave has spent more than 20 years as an arm chair researcher on media bias and its role in political influence.”

WND was unable to locate a single article with Van Zandt’s byline. Ironically, the “fact checker” fails to establish his own credibility by disclosing his qualifications and training in evaluating news sources.

[...]

WND asked: Were your evaluations reviewed by any experts in the industry?

“I can’t say they have,” Van Zandt replied. “Though the right-of-center Atlantic Council is using our data for a project they are working on.”

[Deuterium the Sentient Mattress]

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İlk olarak Deuterium the Sentient Mattress tarafından gönderildi:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/truth-revolt/

Nice fake "fact checker"

https://www.wnd.com/2017/02/phony-baloney-the-9-fakest-fake-news-checkers/

MediaBIasFactCheck.com describes itself as “the most comprehensive media bias resource in the Internet.” The site is owned by Dave Van Zandt from North Carolina, who offers no biographical information about himself aside from the following: “Dave has been freelancing for 25+ years for a variety of print and web mediums (sic), with a focus on media bias and the role of media in politics. Dave is a registered Non-Affiliated voter who values evidence based reporting” and, “Dave Van Zandt obtained a Communications Degree before pursuing a higher degree in the sciences. Dave currently works full time in the health care industry. Dave has spent more than 20 years as an arm chair researcher on media bias and its role in political influence.”

WND was unable to locate a single article with Van Zandt’s byline. Ironically, the “fact checker” fails to establish his own credibility by disclosing his qualifications and training in evaluating news sources.

[...]

WND asked: Were your evaluations reviewed by any experts in the industry?

“I can’t say they have,” Van Zandt replied. “Though the right-of-center Atlantic Council is using our data for a project they are working on.”

Hate to burst your bubble mate, but thatis a proven fake news website.
A quick Internet search reveals that WorldNetDaily is known for publishing misinformation and conspiracy theories, so your argument is invalid.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/right-wing-worldnetdaily-faces-another-existential_us_5a56ba4fe4b0d1a645f96bdf
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/worldnetdaily

And as for MediaBiasFactCheck's response, here it is:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2017/02/20/media-biasfact-check-makes-wnds-fakest-fact-checkers-list/

[EmperorIng217]

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:civvie: Computer, initiate comparison algorithims.
:shodan:https://imgur.com/a/ZwgHB

Are you saying they're all the same person? I don't get it.

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So why do you have to force the political stuff? Is it because the controversy will sell more copies? Do you think it makes the story better? It doesn't. It just breaks immersion and takes me out of the game. Get your politics out of my nazi-shooting simulator!

I love the game and in my opinion it preaches the opposite of the whole sjw agenda BUT... I do think it needs a little bit of tweaking in order to properly do so. To that end, I have a great idea for a sort of alteration to the ending. Imagine if Hitler is watching the whole thing live, and as soon as the main bulk of the speech is done (ie right as the song starts) he drops dead. After that everything happens normally, but then after the credits roll and the song is done we see Hiter's room again with him dead, but gathered around the corpse are the Nazi top brass (eg Rudolph Hess, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels, and Herman Goering) on one side of the body and Edward VIII and his family on the other. Addressing the Nazi leaders, Ed says, "My apologies, gentlemen. We all knew our order could grow no further in Hitler's shadow." Edward then shifts his legs together, raises his right arm in the nazi salute, and in a loud voice says, "HAIL... GOTHA!!!!!" The nazi leaders and the others behind Edward promptly follow suit. The screen fades to black. Then from black it fades in to a ceremony identical to and in the same place as BJ's execution. Hess prances at the podium screaming in german "...the new leader, heir to the legacy of Vlad the Impaler and Adolf Hitler! His Imperial Majesty, Edward Sax-Cobert Gotha! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!" The voice of millions assembled raising their right arms echoes across the stars: "HEIL!!!!!!!! HEIL!!!!!!!! HEIL!!!!!!!! HEIL!!!!!!!! HEIL!!!!!!!! HEIL!!!!!!!! HEIL!!!!!!!!..." Screen fades to black. The end.

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Nice fake "fact checker"

https://www.wnd.com/2017/02/phony-baloney-the-9-fakest-fake-news-checkers/

MediaBIasFactCheck.com describes itself as “the most comprehensive media bias resource in the Internet.” The site is owned by Dave Van Zandt from North Carolina, who offers no biographical information about himself aside from the following: “Dave has been freelancing for 25+ years for a variety of print and web mediums (sic), with a focus on media bias and the role of media in politics. Dave is a registered Non-Affiliated voter who values evidence based reporting” and, “Dave Van Zandt obtained a Communications Degree before pursuing a higher degree in the sciences. Dave currently works full time in the health care industry. Dave has spent more than 20 years as an arm chair researcher on media bias and its role in political influence.”

WND was unable to locate a single article with Van Zandt’s byline. Ironically, the “fact checker” fails to establish his own credibility by disclosing his qualifications and training in evaluating news sources.

[...]

WND asked: Were your evaluations reviewed by any experts in the industry?

“I can’t say they have,” Van Zandt replied. “Though the right-of-center Atlantic Council is using our data for a project they are working on.”

Hate to burst your bubble mate, but thatis a proven fake news website.
A quick Internet search reveals that WorldNetDaily is known for publishing misinformation and conspiracy theories, so your argument is invalid.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/right-wing-worldnetdaily-faces-another-existential_us_5a56ba4fe4b0d1a645f96bdf
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/worldnetdaily

And as for MediaBiasFactCheck's response, here it is:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2017/02/20/media-biasfact-check-makes-wnds-fakest-fact-checkers-list/

None of your sources are creditable


MediaBiasFactCheck has not been independently verified as a fact checker. THAT is FACT! this was proven in my prior link.


Huffingpost is fake news is is owned by verizon now after they sold out. the SPLC is a soros funded hate ORG. I will provide link for you to read, but I know you won't because you CAN'T read.


http://fortune.com/2015/06/24/verizon-gains-aol/

From Verizon’s standpoint, it needs to find something it can sell via its available networks, whether that means selling services directly to the consumer or to other companies trying to reach its customer base. That’s where AOL comes in.

While AOL may be most known for its dial-up services and growing content empire —which includes The Huffington Post, Engadget and TechCrunch—it also has put together a sophisticated suite of advertising technologies for online and traditional media that no other company (aside from Google and Facebook) can match. AOL’s platform is particularly strong in video advertising—which CommScore says reaches more than 50% of the U.S. population. The Internet company’s successful digital platform will also coincidentally assist Verizon’s plans to launch its own Internet TV service, which it announced this year after buying Intel’s media assets in 2014 and video delivery network EdgeCast in 2013.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/13776/amazing-tale-how-super-sleuth-busted-huffington-joseph-curl

An Amazing Tale of How a Super Sleuth Busted a Huffington Post Writer For Lyin


http://theliepolitic.com/2009/04/the-lies-and-hate-of-the-liberal-huffingtonpostcom-dont-stop/
The Lies And Hate Of The Liberal HuffingtonPost.com Don’t Stop


Move On Huffington Post: Lies, Lying and Liars
https://obamacan.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/move-on-huffington-post-lies-lying-and-liars/


https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/huffingtonpost.com




and southerpoverty law center is Soros funded hate org

https://sorosfiles.com/soros/2012/05/the-soros-supported-southern-poverty-law-center-and-its-connection-to-moscow-funded-russia-today.html

the SPLC as a “civil rights organization.” But The Social Contract, a public policy journal, investigated the SPLC in a recent issue and found that it used “ritual defamation” as a weapon “to advance a far-left agenda and a device to raise more money from gullible liberals to add to its $200 million slush fund.”

The SPLC is a “slime machine” that has also targeted the Eagle Forum, the Heritage Foundation, Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), Rep. Steve King (R-IA), and Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), The Social Contract says.

The “slush fund” reference is to the $200 million in “reserve funds” that its directors have invested “in hedge funds and offshore bank accounts in places like the Cayman Islands,” The Social Contract claims.

While the group claims to find political extremists on the right (and once labeled this writer a member of a sinister group of “Patriots” for writing critically of the United Nations, President Obama, and the homosexual lobby, among other things), it is the SPLC that has an agenda far outside the mainstream. The group’s “Teaching tolerance” project even ran an article praising unrepentant Communist terrorist bomber Bill Ayers as a “civil rights organizer, radical anti-Vietnam War activist, teacher and author.” An “editor’s note” goes so far as to say that Ayers “has became a highly respected figure in the field of multicultural education.”

In fact, his past is finally catching up with him, as law enforcement authorities investigate his possible role in the 1970 bombing murder of a San Francisco policeman, and his former employer, the University of Illinois, rejected his request for “professor emeritus” status because he and his wife Bernardine Dohrn had dedicated a book in part to the assassin of Robert F. Kennedy.

to Bed with Reds

By Cliff Kincaid — January 28, 2011

John Rossomando of The Daily Caller has broken a story about how the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a source of information for the major media on such matters as the Arizona shooting rampage, is now placing its articles in a communist newspaper through a left-wing “news service.”


http://barenakedislam.com/2017/09/01/the-george-soros-funded-southern-poverty-law-center-splc-is-allegedly-sending-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-corporate-donations-to-the-cayman-islands-and-other-offshore-accounts/

The George Soros-funded Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is allegedly sending tens of millions of dollars in corporate donations to the Cayman Islands and other offshore accounts