I wanted a game not a political agenda

[FlowerPotMF]

>COMMIES ARE THE GOOD GUYS
>COMMIES ARE THE GOOD GUYS
>COMMIES ARE THE GOOD GUYS
>COMMIES ARE THE GOOD GUYS

[kwahoo]

I finished the game and I cannot see a single place where it calls "commies are the good guys". BJ calls some leftist group "bolsheviks cowards, degenerated moonshiners". Maybe if you played the game you would know that it's MUCH more complicated.

[Viper]

I'm sure that when the MC was calling them lazy cowards that meant they are the good guys, yea right.

[Scrandy Marsh]

Originally posted by poesescape:

Originally posted by kwahoo:

I finished the game and I cannot see a single place where it calls "commies are the good guys". BJ calls some leftist group "bolsheviks cowards, degenerated moonshiners". Maybe if you played the game you would know that it's MUCH more complicated.

why is there a hammer and sickle party hat in this game.

Maybe the character was Russian? Russians were our "allies"(kind of, they fought hte Nazis as well) during WW2 and the Hammer and sickle was their thing so....

[Deathstruck]

Originally posted by poesescape:

Originally posted by kwahoo:

I finished the game and I cannot see a single place where it calls "commies are the good guys". BJ calls some leftist group "bolsheviks cowards, degenerated moonshiners". Maybe if you played the game you would know that it's MUCH more complicated.

why is there a hammer and sickle party hat in this game.

Literally only one person wears it, and it's Horton.

You have to try and look at it from the perspective of their alternative history. The Nazis won and Commies were never able to establish their dominion over half of Europe like they did in real life. They were never able to gain that kind of foothold and enforce whatever crap they did in our history (Mao, Pol Pot, post-war Stalin etc.)

BJ and others have probably no real idea what commies were really about, apart from some rudimentary info from the war time (ask yourself how much did a normal GI Joe know about the commies, apart from the fact that they were commies... and were racing them to Berlin). Which is probably why they are willing to tolerate them, because they need to make an alliance against the common enemy in their country - The Nazis.

I wouldn't be suprised if in the next installment Horton started radicalizing a bit about his own "ideal" American and BJ would be forced to put him down. He already showed that he holds no love for him or his beliefs, but he *needs* his manpower to bolster the resistance - an analogy to WW2 maybe?

[Deathstruck]

Originally posted by kwahoo:

I finished the game and I cannot see a single place where it calls "commies are the good guys". BJ calls some leftist group "bolsheviks cowards, degenerated moonshiners". Maybe if you played the game you would know that it's MUCH more complicated.

Are you suprised? Half of these people who spend time here hysterically arguing (about something they have no knowledge of) don't even have the game. See the lack of the mouse icon near their name.

The other half are Private profiles with zero Steam level - most likely fake troll accounts.

[kwahoo]

Originally posted by Deathstruck:

Originally posted by poesescape:

why is there a hammer and sickle party hat in this game.

Literally only one person wears it, and it's Horton.
...
I wouldn't be suprised if in the next installment Horton started radicalizing a bit about his own "ideal" American and BJ would be forced to put him down.

Don't waste time for him. I saw his other comments here. All based on trailers and shorts released by others. An example.

[Deathstruck]

Originally posted by kwahoo:

Originally posted by Deathstruck:

Literally only one person wears it, and it's Horton.
...
I wouldn't be suprised if in the next installment Horton started radicalizing a bit about his own "ideal" American and BJ would be forced to put him down.

Don't waste time for him. I saw his other comments here. All based on trailers and shorts released by others. An example.

Yeah, I did notice that too.

Can you imagine spending 70% of your day obsessing over a game you don't even intend to try to confirm your bias? Or at least look it up on Youtube (and still somehow ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that up, apparently. Not pointing fingers or anything..)

It's strange and a bit sad to say the least, lol.

[FaZe Dracula]

> the game very clearly juxtaposes "a true american fighting for the dream" with a "cowardice bolshevik" which is both political and biased against bolsheviks
> killing nazis is political
> "saving america" is political

what the ♥♥♥♥ are you on about? should they just never have mentioned very real political parties that were important in fighting the nazis in world war 2?

[Xryphon]

there are several references to "politics", one instance being when BJ visits his dad. recall that the dad basically calls him a sissy for wearing a corset and BJ kills him after he finds that he's working with a nazi.

if anything the game is trying to tell you that intolerance, fear, and ingroup/ outgroup discrimination and prejudice is bad - if you really think that the nazis are in any way justified in this game then that's an issue.

[Nomad]

Considering that the sequel game that came next was a women's power fantasy and it was bad and it reviewed horribly speaks to the sentiment lately. It's also why there has not been a actual 3rd true sequel to the story etc.

[Nomad]

I never much paid attention to the subtle stuff in the game but the black panther stuff was def there but I ignored it because it's a game. Now looking back and seeing the climate we are in this hits home a bit more.

[Smokedice]

Same here OP. Left-leaning people like to play dumb in the forums but it is obvious that the writers are guilty of "jamming," meaning they "jam" anything right-wing politics with nazism (which is a left-wing ideology from a conservative American point of view).

Machinegames and Bethesda are left-leaning religious zealots and perceive nazism as a right-wing ideology. So, all left-leaning groups in this game such as the black panthers and the anarcho-communists are contrived as BJs allies for no other reason than that's what the game's writers WANT you to be allied to in the fight against nazism. BJ will make a few patriotic verbal quips in defense of good ol' USA but he always gets out-argued and is left with no choice but to team up with some of the worst and useless people in human history.

It is completely ridiculous but this is their piece of fiction so they get to make up the rules.

Play Return to Castle Wolfenstein for the best Wolfenstein experience (or Wolfenstein 2009 if you can find it still) No jamming conservatism with Nazism there.

[Sushi]

Originally posted by Smokedice:

Machinegames and Bethesda are left-leaning religious zealots and perceive nazism as a right-wing ideology.

The ♥♥♥♥. Nazism literally is a right-wing ideology. You're just straight up factually wrong to think otherwise. Please do your own research on the topic because there's so many reasons why fascism is considered a right wing ideology. You can consider yourself right wing and not be a nazi/fascist, the same way someone can be left wing but not a communist. I'm sorry your feelings get hurt when people point out racism is bad, but no it doesn't necessary make you a nazi, just a bigot at the very least, but also possibly a nazi.

[Smokedice]

Originally posted by Sushi:

Originally posted by Smokedice:

Machinegames and Bethesda are left-leaning religious zealots and perceive nazism as a right-wing ideology.

The ♥♥♥♥. Nazism literally is a right-wing ideology. You're just straight up factually wrong to think otherwise. Please do your own research on the topic because there's so many reasons why fascism is considered a right wing ideology. You can consider yourself right wing and not be a nazi/fascist, the same way someone can be left wing but not a communist. I'm sorry your feelings get hurt when people point out racism is bad, but no it doesn't necessary make you a nazi, just a bigot at the very least, but also possibly a nazi.

Socialism is a left wing political ideology. Nazism is National Socialism. Hence, Nazism is leftism. You should already know this, but your mind has either been ideologically captured by the alt-left or you are a liar.

[Archangel47]

Originally posted by Smokedice:

Originally posted by Sushi:

The ♥♥♥♥. Nazism literally is a right-wing ideology. You're just straight up factually wrong to think otherwise. Please do your own research on the topic because there's so many reasons why fascism is considered a right wing ideology. You can consider yourself right wing and not be a nazi/fascist, the same way someone can be left wing but not a communist. I'm sorry your feelings get hurt when people point out racism is bad, but no it doesn't necessary make you a nazi, just a bigot at the very least, but also possibly a nazi.

Socialism is a left wing political ideology. Nazism is National Socialism. Hence, Nazism is leftism. You should already know this, but your mind has either been ideologically captured by the alt-left or you are a liar.

Hitler put all the socialists into concentration camps, and the few Nazis sympathetic to the labor movement were murdered during the Night of the Long Knives. Maybe crack open a book sometime that's not Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson.