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Legit Mizard 2019년 5월 16일 오후 8시 01분
Why there will never be a Quake 5
After some pondering about it, I have come to the conclusion on why there'll never be a Quake 5. The answer, of course, is because it's not marketable. who are they going to sell a Quake 5 to? they sell Wolfenstein to people on the left because it gives them a Nazi-killing power fantasy. They sell Doom to the classic Doom fans, and edgelords who just want to play an over the top, violent game. What about Rage? Well it seems that they decided to go the route of Marketing it to the same people who would play games like Borderlands, or Saint's Row. The people who like to play games with over the top themes. Even Quake Champions has a marketable audience. It's the fans of the classic quake games, Quake 3 and hero oriented shooters. if there was a single-player Quake 5 who would they market that game to? The first Quake was a hodgepodge of ideas, with a focus on the 3D tech they had just made. The second one had more of a focus on gameplay and story mechanincs. The third quake was really more of a Tech-Demo with focus on Multiplayer. Q4 was their attempt to take on the Halo series. The one thing that all the Quake games have in common is a strong multiplayer component, therefore, Quake is only marketable as a multiplayer game.

TL;DR: The Quake series is only marketable as a multiplayer game.
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Quake Champions failed largely because it doesn't have anywhere near a fraction of the budget of an actual AAA game, this much is true. The differences between QC and DooM 16 in performance, amount of content, and overall quality of content are just astounding. For $40 you get infinitely more out of DooM than you do out of the Champion Pack for QC.

Half Measure is the perfect way of putting it. They invested as little resources into this game as possible to maximize returns as much as possible because they had absolutely no faith in the viability of their own product. Like they handed it off to some small russian team with a terrible track record for ♥♥♥♥♥ sake.

That said though Halo is an awful example to make any kind of point. Both because the original is barely an AFPS to begin with, and because it's been unrecognizably bastardized beyond that point anyways and still struggling hard to stay relevant.

Phoenix님이 먼저 게시:
Wha...? What do Muslims have to do with Quake?

Well he meant Mil-Sims, generic military games, but that doesn't make his alt-right nonsense any less idiotic.

Pennyroyal님이 먼저 게시:
They need to gey back to roots, bring back original maps from QL, and just go for a FPS without classes, champions and additional boosts. Question is, would there be still a marker for this game..

The kind of purists that care about that ♥♥♥♥ aren't exactly concerned with graphics to begin with, and would be the only people actually playing it if they even migrated from Quake Live at all. Even if you had a point about the gameplay itself though, do you think some random person off the street, your target consumer, gives a single flying ♥♥♥♥ whether Sarge or Aerowalk are in the game? No, only obsessive Quake vets care about that kind of petty nonsense.

Quake Champions was the right call, just with the worst execution imaginable.
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Ground Tank 2019년 5월 17일 오후 4시 26분 
Go balls deep into Lovecraftian horror, that's how it would work. A lot of games go for that style but few actually bring it to life, the original Quake and Bloodborne are the two that stick out to me. Quake Champions somewhat attempted this but they did it in a safe inoffensive cartoony way.

I want the dark atmosphere of Quake 1. I want to run through environments that will give me nightmares and fight monsters horrifying beyond imagination. Sure you fight demons in hellish landscapes in Doom, but you're never afraid of them because the game is designed to make you feel like an unstoppable badass. Invert that, keep the speed of Quake 3 but put the player up against threats in a living nightmare that'll make them ♥♥♥♥ themselves. Also get Trent Reznor back, because this is Quake, and it deserves everything that can be brought to it.

To actually pull this off they'd have to stick to a serious vision, no "wink wink this is soooooo violent and spooky ecks dee" and that's the problem, I doubt Bethesda will dump money into something that doesn't hit all the focus group check marks. It would turn into a lazy "self-aware so you can laugh and not take it seriously" product with a cliche cinematic story featuring 'relateable' characters and dumb political commentary.
Ground Tank 님이 마지막으로 수정; 2019년 5월 17일 오후 4시 46분
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Bluebeak 2019년 5월 17일 오후 4시 39분 
I hope beyond hope that they'll make a Quake 5 with a singleplayer focus but I never see it happening. It seems like the people at Bethesda who greenlight these sequels only look at the most marketable aspects of them.
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Legit Mizard 2019년 5월 17일 오후 4시 40분 
Ground Tank님이 먼저 게시:
Go balls deep into Lovecraftian horror, that's how it would work. A lot of games go for that style but few actually bring it to life, the original Quake and Bloodborne are the two that stick out to me. Quake Champions somewhat attempted this but they did it in a safe inoffensive cartoony way.

I want the atmosphere of Quake 1. I want to run through environments that will give me nightmares and fight monsters horrifying beyond imagination. Sure you fight demons in hellish landscapes in Doom, but you're never afraid of them because the game is designed to make you feel like an unstoppable badass. Invert that, keep the speed of Quake 3 but put the player up against threats in a living nightmare that'll make them ♥♥♥♥ themselves. Also get Trent Reznor back, because this is Quake, and it deserves everything that can be brought to it.

To actually pull this off they'd have to stick to a serious vision, no "wink wink this is soooooo violent and spooky ecks dee" and that's the problem, Bethesda will not dump money into something that would potentially put people off. It would turn into a lazy "self-aware so you can laugh and not take it seriously" product like most things and what I want is the opposite of that. An actual vision that doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ who isn't into it.
If done right like a more challenging painkiller, I think I can see it fitting into a niche genre. It's just tough though because ultimate question is still who's going to buy it. Which really is why battle royale sells so well vs. The hundreds of much better games like Fictorum for example.
Legit Mizard 님이 마지막으로 수정; 2019년 5월 17일 오후 4시 41분
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Percepticon 2019년 5월 17일 오후 4시 44분 
Quake 1 SP was a masterpiece, it still is - I played some levels again recently and I still miss that type of game. Doom2016 was great, but it didn't quite get the feel of either Doom I/II or Quake imo.

I'd say Quake has as much chance of success as doom did, if not more due to the deeper potential of the story/lore. I read a reddit q&a recently with Machine games devs who did wolfenstien, and the lead dev (a guy called jerk) said he has it on his bucket list to remake Quake 1 - and has made many quake maps over the years including the 20th anniversary campaign. So with Machine games current relationship with id, and the success of the wolfenstien games, who knows what could happen with Quake in the future. Can't see it being anytime soon though.

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Ground Tank 2019년 5월 17일 오후 4시 56분 
Legit Mizard님이 먼저 게시:
If done right like a more challenging painkiller, I think I can see it fitting into a niche genre. It's just tough though because ultimate question is still who's going to buy it. Which really is why battle royale sells so well vs. The hundreds of much better games like Fictorum for example.

It's really depressing, when Fortnite imploded I thought it meant UT4 would benefit from it, and then Epic pulled the plug completely. No large studio wants to spend even a sliver of their income taking risks.
Ground Tank 님이 마지막으로 수정; 2019년 5월 17일 오후 4시 59분
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Captain n00by 2019년 5월 17일 오후 5시 20분 
You know what? You're probably right.

Even though a Quake reboot in the vein of Doom '16 could be lovely, the Quake franchise is too much at odds with current tastes in the main-stream gaming audience.

Prove me wrong but I don't think most people would "get it", unless it would be a direct re-skin of Doom '16. But then, it wouldn't be exactly Quake but Doom with Quake's aesthetics.

Time to put WRATH: Aeon of Ruin on your wishlist, as that's probably the best it will get in regards to modern-day SP oriented Quake-like title (with some Heretic/Hexen thrown into it too):

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1000410/WRATH_Aeon_of_Ruin/
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Dan Nukem 2019년 5월 17일 오후 7시 57분 
quake 5 there will be not becase i hear some players say the war has ended (Enemy Territory: Quake Wars)
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Dan Nukem 2019년 5월 17일 오후 7시 57분 
but one thing i want from ID is QUAKE 2 remaster with DOOM rip in tear and with classic mode too !
Dan Nukem 님이 마지막으로 수정; 2019년 5월 17일 오후 8시 05분
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Legit Mizard 2019년 5월 17일 오후 11시 01분 
noobean님이 먼저 게시:
You know what? You're probably right.

Even though a Quake reboot in the vein of Doom '16 could be lovely, the Quake franchise is too much at odds with current tastes in the main-stream gaming audience.

Prove me wrong but I don't think most people would "get it", unless it would be a direct re-skin of Doom '16. But then, it wouldn't be exactly Quake but Doom with Quake's aesthetics.

Time to put WRATH: Aeon of Ruin on your wishlist, as that's probably the best it will get in regards to modern-day SP oriented Quake-like title (with some Heretic/Hexen thrown into it too):

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1000410/WRATH_Aeon_of_Ruin/
That looks cool as hell.
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Intergalactik 2019년 5월 18일 오전 12시 23분 
If there is a market for Doom there is a market for singleplayer Quake, these games are not that different just different settings. Playing the latest Doom game made me feel like a kid playing Quake 2 back in the days.
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⛥ ⌁⌁L⁕ꝉ⁜ϾH ⌁⌁ 2019년 5월 18일 오전 3시 35분 
Legit Mizard님이 먼저 게시:
After some pondering about it, I have come to the conclusion on why there'll never be a Quake 5. The answer, of course, is because it's not marketable. who are they going to sell a Quake 5 to? they sell Wolfenstein to people on the left because it gives them a Nazi-killing power fantasy. They sell Doom to the classic Doom fans, and edgelords who just want to play an over the top, violent game. What about Rage? Well it seems that they decided to go the route of Marketing it to the same people who would play games like Borderlands, or Saint's Row. The people who like to play games with over the top themes. Even Quake Champions has a marketable audience. It's the fans of the classic quake games, Quake 3 and hero oriented shooters. if there was a single-player Quake 5 who would they market that game to? The first Quake was a hodgepodge of ideas, with a focus on the 3D tech they had just made. The second one had more of a focus on gameplay and story mechanincs. The third quake was really more of a Tech-Demo with focus on Multiplayer. Q4 was their attempt to take on the Halo series. The one thing that all the Quake games have in common is a strong multiplayer component, therefore, Quake is only marketable as a multiplayer game.

TL;DR: The Quake series is only marketable as a multiplayer game.

this is a really dumb post. as if klling nazis is a power fantasy. to who? a few random new yorkers? LOL. that's not why it sold. how did lgbt get in the door to AAA titles? they are only 0.1% or less. it's all a lie, so don't promote otherwise. your larping is redonkulous and laughable.
⛥ ⌁⌁L⁕ꝉ⁜ϾH ⌁⌁ 님이 마지막으로 수정; 2019년 5월 18일 오전 3시 36분
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Goser 2019년 5월 18일 오전 7시 18분 
Quake 5 would work if it had a superb singleplayer aswell as a multiplayer.
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秋 2019년 5월 18일 오전 8시 52분 
Wrath is our only hope, and more stuff from dusk guys
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♥samantha♥ 2019년 5월 18일 오전 10시 18분 
Why do these games that claim to play like it's the 1990s always have dated pixelated blocky playstation one graphics, that needs a voodoo 2 or matrox video card to play them.

Why cant they have modern graphics like Hell Bound

https://store.steampowered.com/app/802200/


http://hellboundgame.com/

This game will have a story mode, modern visuals and has reached its crowd funding target, and is snapped up by a developer.

The demo that is currently on steam is just a single arena survival mode leader board that was made available to test.
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Legit Mizard 2019년 5월 18일 오전 11시 18분 
1000% Based LꝉϾH 🐺님이 먼저 게시:

this is a really dumb post. as if klling nazis is a power fantasy. to who? a few random new yorkers? LOL. that's not why it sold. how did lgbt get in the door to AAA titles? they are only 0.1% or less. it's all a lie, so don't promote otherwise. your larping is redonkulous and laughable.

Picking out one misinformed point and basing your whole rebuttal on it is ridiculous, especially if you don't have a point to prove my entire post wrong. If I'm so incorrect, then who would they sell the game to? I don't really want to hear about how good the game could be because they could make the best game ever and it won't sell.That's the issue. The series has no audience. Also, I've played both of the new Wolfenstein games, they're not that good. RTCW is much better. But, please, tell me who they should market a new quake game towards.
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