Why I'm done with 240 Hz Monitor setting.

[Frankster]

Quake Champions is my main game! And I do notice how a not steady framerate affects my weapon accuracy big time. Try to cap framerate to a fixed value and see your weapons tracking improve. If I play at 240 Hz with a 119 fps cap, for example, using 1/2 V Sync set@1/2 refresh rate, I get higher kills amount of frags.. If I use 240hz with fps around 160 to 240, I can never get those accuracies, is night and day difference to me.

On maps like Corrupted Keep, Tempest Shrine or Ruins, 240hz only hurts my accuracy because I can´t get fixed 240 fps no matter what CPU or clock speeds I use. Even tried 3400mhz DDR4 + 5,2ghz overclock on a coffee Lake CPU, no luck! Always got variable framerates and that´s not good for me.

For Quake 2, Q3, QL, 240hz is perfect because that´s a very old engine and any CPU can sustain its 250fps default lock. But I don´t play older games only, I spend more time on modern games like Quake Champions

[tyl0413]

Would you recommend a 240Hz monitor for QC then?

[Frankster]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von tyl0413:

Would you recommend a 240Hz monitor for QC then?

Yes, I would recommend 240Hz monitor with 1ms refresh rates, because eventually, Videocard, CPU and DDR will become powerful enough to sustain it at 240Hz, so it will grow into it, over time in QC.

For now, using 1/2 refresh rate and capping at 120 FPS seems to be the best choice.

It's certainly more efficient and holds a slight advantage over 144Hz in older games that can be sustained above the 240 Hz rate.

Below is what I'm currently working with.

Intel i5 9600K+@5GH
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 ARMOR OC 8GB
G.SKILL Ripjaws 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3200@3400mhz
Crucial MX500 1TB SSD
Gigabyte Gaming M z390
Corsair Hydro Series™ H110i GT 280mm Extreme Liquid CPU Cooler
Corsair Gaming K70 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard — CHERRY® MX Fast
Logitech G pro mouse
3D Speed Edition Razer Goliathus XXL
Monoprice Zero-G Gaming Monitor - 25 Inch AMDFreeSync, 240Hz, 1ms
Construction Cost $900USD (2018)

[tyl0413]

Just because i'm still on a crappy old 60Hz monitor but couldn't decide if 144 is enough or 240 really makes that much difference over 144, also don't plan to upgrade my hardware for a while and don't really play older games either.

[Frankster]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von tyl0413:

Just because i'm still on a crappy old 60Hz monitor but couldn't decide if 144 is enough or 240 really makes that much difference over 144, also don't plan to upgrade my hardware for a while and don't really play older games either.

Well if your someone like me who integrates his monitor, keyboard, mice or whatever else I can manage into my next upgrade, than the 240Hz makes perfect sense. However, I prefer to play at 1080p.

I think there are two major schools of thought on this subject. Those that play at 1080p@240Hz and run at higher refresh rate, and those that want to play at 1440p@144Hz. Eventually, (probably already) they will be doing both 1440p@240Hz, but those are going to be top tier monitors that cost close to $1k, which is well beyond what I want to spend on a monitor.

My Monoprice Zero-G Gaming Monitor - 25 Inch AMDFreeSync, 240Hz, 1ms came in under $200, although the prices haven't changed much since last year. It was the best upgrade I've made in the last 20 years, and my eyes thank me everyday. It improved my game, and eliminated any headaches I was getting during extended gaming, especially since I only play fps games anymore.

If you play more than a few hours a week and care about your eyes/health I highly recommend pulling the trigger on this. It's probably the single best thing you could do to "upgrade". If you can afford the $200. I'm on a limited income myself, so everything's got to be on a budget here. But money is of no use, if you cant "see" it so spend it.

FPS have damaged my eyes playing on CRT's over the years. I used to have better than 20/20 vision, but no more.

[Vassago Rain]

Get an Eizo monitor. Thank me later.

[XANeus]

I don't recommend 240 Hz for bug champions.
A few months ago my system was able to get 215fps at the 0.1% low at 1080p, 100% Resolution scale and ultra preset... But now without a hardware change ...

Mostly unter 100fps Minimum
Not in duel in a 8 player match.
Windows is stealing performance and bug champions can't scale probably..

Current settings are
1600x900, 75 Res scale, texture quality at medium the rest on low...


Don't by a 240hz only for bug champions. It's a waste of money

[-DREIDARA-Tzu-]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von XANeus:

I don't recommend 240 Hz for bug champions.
A few months ago my system was able to get 215fps at the 0.1% low at 1080p, 100% Resolution scale and ultra preset... But now without a hardware change ...

Mostly unter 100fps Minimum
Not in duel in a 8 player match.
Windows is stealing performance and bug champions can't scale probably..

Current settings are
1600x900, 75 Res scale, texture quality at medium the rest on low...


Don't by a 240hz only for bug champions. It's a waste of money

What kind of CPU do you have?

[crogeek]

There are literally 0.1% differences beetwen 144hz and 240hz even if you're running games at ful 240+ fps and since QC is running on insanely crap engine (and yes Corrupted keep stutters a lot for everyone) so really it doesn't give you advantage at all.
I recommend 144hz over 60hz in that case because there huge is jump (ltierally 1ms vs 16.6ms of input lag on average).
Buying 240hz I look as a waste of money currently, but buying 144hz is a for sure very good choice or good thing to have at you disposal.

[XANeus]

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700x 8c/16t@4.1Ghz with precision boost overdrive up to 4.2ghz depents on workload
MB: ASrock x470 Gaming K4
RAM: 2x 8GB, 3200Mhz, CL16 in Dual Channel...yes profil active and yes dual channel
GPU: AMD Radeon VII Powerlimit at max rest stock or bug champions will crash
SSD: Samsung 970 Evo...

Edit: and a Be Quit! Dark Power Pro 11 750Watts power supply

[XANeus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crogeek:

There are literally 0.1% differences beetwen 144hz and 240hz even if you're running games at ful 240+ fps and since QC is running on insanely crap engine (and yes Corrupted keep stutters a lot for everyone) so really it doesn't give you advantage at all.
I recommend 144hz over 60hz in that case because there huge is jump (ltierally 1ms vs 16.6ms of input lag on average).
Buying 240hz I look as a waste of money currently, but buying 144hz is a for sure very good choice or good thing to have at you disposal.

there is a difference...but not for everyone!
some people can see a big difference and some can "feel" a difference and some can't see and "feel" a difference but yes in my opinion a fast 144Hz monitor is the best way to go

don't by a cheat one if you are trying to get good in shooters

[Aaylow]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Frankster:

Quake Champions is my main game! And I do notice how a not steady framerate affects my weapon accuracy big time. Try to cap framerate to a fixed value and see your weapons tracking improve. If I play at 240 Hz with a 119 fps cap, for example, using 1/2 V Sync set@1/2 refresh rate, I get higher kills amount of frags.. If I use 240hz with fps around 160 to 240, I can never get those accuracies, is night and day difference to me.

On maps like Corrupted Keep, Tempest Shrine or Ruins, 240hz only hurts my accuracy because I can´t get fixed 240 fps no matter what CPU or clock speeds I use. Even tried 3400mhz DDR4 + 5,2ghz overclock on a coffee Lake CPU, no luck! Always got variable framerates and that´s not good for me.

For Quake 2, Q3, QL, 240hz is perfect because that´s a very old engine and any CPU can sustain its 250fps default lock. But I don´t play older games only, I spend more time on modern games like Quake Champions

I have 144Hz and it's enough because my PC isn't capable of running any game on continuous 240fps

[Frankster]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vassago Rain:

Get an Eizo monitor. Thank me later.

Doesn't look like anything of real use. The Smart Insight Demolition looks like a gimmick to me.

I'll just adjust the gamma and brightness instead of spending an extra $1k It might be of some use in some games. But Quake Champions has the outline, so there is basically no shady dark spots on the maps to worry about. (not on mine anyhow) I can clearly see distant objects just fine, even without the "outline."

Anyone else have any experiences with these monitors?
Maybe the "smart insight demolition" is for those who can't figure out how to adjust their visual settings, on their own..

Fine tuning monitor settings can be tedious, I will admit.

If your playing QC underwater, or outside during a sandstorm, maybe they would be worth their hefty price. They certainly make a wide variety of specialized monitors.

I will stick with my sub $200 25 inch 240 Hz 1 ms Monoprice. It performs very well.

[Apollyon. Black Edition.]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Frankster:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Vassago Rain:

Get an Eizo monitor. Thank me later.

Doesn't look like anything of real use. The Smart Insight Demolition looks like a gimmick to me.

I'll just adjust the gamma and brightness instead of spending an extra $1k It might be of some use in some games. But Quake Champions has the outline, so there is basically no shady dark spots on the maps to worry about. (not on mine anyhow) I can clearly see distant objects just fine, even without the "outline."

Anyone else have any experiences with these monitors?
Maybe the "smart insight demolition" is for those who can't figure out how to adjust their visual settings, on their own..

Fine tuning monitor settings can be tedious, I will admit.

If your playing QC underwater, or outside during a sandstorm, maybe they would be worth their hefty price. They certainly make a wide variety of specialized monitors.

I will stick with my sub $200 25 inch 240 Hz 1 ms Monoprice. It performs very well.

Still in thoughts about what monitor I should buy. My current monitor is 1440-900 75Hz, and I feel okay with that, cause I can easly play ~150+ fps in TDM on High settings(with no antialising). Gotta update my PSU and Box for sure before I'll get a new monitor. Tell me pls - is that worthy to pay a doulbe price for only one game to play, to buy 144Hz monitor than 75 Hz? My specs - Ryzen 5 2600 Gtx 1660 16gb ram 3200Mhz. Anyway I got ~140+ fps in QC but its not my main game. I play that for fun and cause there is no alternative game for that kind of fps. I play QC rarely, at least not main game, so 75Hz feels enough for me, should I pay a doule price for 144Hz that for 75Hz?

[Frankster]

I would certainly get the 144 Hz monitor. However, if your saying "double", what exactly does this mean? $200? is double, $400? You can get a 25 inch 240Hz 1ms monitor with AMD free-sync for little more than $200 USD.

I would say that's a pretty sweet deal.

Acer XF 24.5" Widescreen Monitor Display 1920x1080 240Hz 1ms GTG 16:9 AMD FreeSync

$179
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-XF-24-5-Widescreen-Monitor-Display-1920x1080-1ms-GTG-16-9-AMD-FreeSync/264118332977?hash=item3d7eadee31:m:m9Fl8MKmaVQe9orkGn4iKnw


Newegg
https://www.newegg.com/black-acer-kg251q-dbmiipx-um-kx1aa-d01-24-5/p/N82E16824011283?Description=240%20hz%20monitor&cm_re=240_hz_monitor-_-24-011-283-_-Product

Although, this is also prety good deal for the price @$139
MSI Optix MAG24MVC 23.6" Full HD 1920x1080 144Hz 1ms AMD FreeSync Frameless Design Curved Gaming LED Monitor
https://www.newegg.com/black-mag-series-msi-optix-mag24mvc-23-6-full-hd-144hz-freesync-curved-gaming-led-monitor-23-5/p/3D4-000U-00001?Description=144%20hz%20monitor&cm_re=144_hz_monitor-_-3D4-000U-00001-_-Product

[cRaZy eYes]

I play on a 40" 60hz led. It's not too bad for performance really. Visuals are great. Last real monitor I did have was 120hz and it is more fluid when your moving fast. I've never tried a monitor passed 120hz for gaming but I suppose if you don't play fast games you wont notice it as much. If you do notice the fluid motion at 120hz from 60hz then you may be able to notice 144hz and up. It's not a gimmick if you have the eye for it d8P

Suppose as should add even with this hardware I have little to no lag ever with QC. Older quake had to be tweaked to run on smaller potatoes. Idk why everyone else lag so much.