What Political Statement (something regarding a review someone left)?

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

I'm dead set on getting this game already (Big fire emblem fan and even bigger fan of Florans), but someone in the reviews section mentioned chucklefish making some kind of political statement with this game? Their review has disabled comments and their profile is private however so I can't figure out what the hell they were talking about. (it's also a negative review you can easily find it on your own without me naming and shaming).

So, wtf was that person talking about? Other than something anti-xenophobic (the armies seem to join together as the story goes along based off of the trailer) and maybe the floran race's warmongering nature I can't see anything that would amount to a political statement

EDIT: seems one of the characters has a rather tumblr-like style to them and some people think that's a statement? Nothing to worry about I guess?

Not going to delete the thread in case any discussions develop, but it's unlikely at this point, try to keep it somewhat clean if it does though.

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

Diposting pertama kali oleh cc\\Nox:

How can character designs be SWJish? Are you talking about the art or something else?

Red nose, inconsistent blobby proportions, darker skin than should be (only applies to fanworks/fanart), and rostation when there shouldn't be are common amongst american cartoonists, especially those of lower quality or of those wanting to make a (typically far-left-leaning) political statement, relates to CalArts I think? Something about the style regarding that university?

Usually also accompanies bad storytelling, but there are plenty of notable exceptions both in a politcal regard and in regard to other categories (see steven universe, Gravity Falls, both good examples of TV shows involving this style). Also see "Tumblr Style".

As for games and other media I ain't too familiar with specific good or bad examples, but this game certainly doesn't seem to be a bad example, nor to greatly suffer from this type of style.

Honeslty based off of reviews and responses it seems only one character is a bad offender, well, I'll find out in a week or two when I get this game. Etrian Odyssey Nexus is higher on my TO BUY list but this will go second, followed by Tales of Vesperia Definitive Edition.

Sorry for ranting a bit there.

[Smugass Braixen-Chan]

Attributing a political stance to an artstyle doesn't sit well with me.

It reminds me too much of how people accuse anything drawn in an anime style of being pedophilia just because there tends to be a ton of lolis in anime. To the point where Steam has started restricting "anime" games because "Child Exploitation"

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Smugass Braixen-Chan:

Attributing a political stance to an artstyle doesn't sit well with me.

It reminds me too much of how people accuse anything drawn in an anime style of being pedophilia just because there tends to be a ton of lolis in anime.

Just the messenger I guess, also I usually don't associate the style immediately with it, but it makes me more wary of political ideas if they get hinted at or pushed.

And yea the pedophilia thing is BS I have had to deal with a good bit (darkest dungeon related mostly), but "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" as I like to say.

Also there's a difference between a Rey and a Velvet Crowe when it comes to writing female protagonists. To use more modern characters. I hope this one is more of a latter than the former, as much as in-depth as a protagonist in a lighthearted game like this can be of course.

Also should I lock this thread now that my question has been answered? probably... maybe? I dunno it seems a discussion is brewing.

[it's a gabe]

I wouldn't think too much about it, as others have suggested.

As mentioned, *anything* these days is a reason to call out developers on their political views, even if there's *nothing* political about a game at all. A good example of this would be Claire in the new RE2: a bunch of people genuinely complain that she doesn't look like a heroine, that Capcom decided to make her look like a potato because of SJW politics. The average man would agree that she looks absolutely fine. I'd go further and say that those complainig look just as much like zombie meal

So my wild guess is that whoever said this game is driving a political agenda was offended by the protagonist being a woman who's not sexualized in the slightest. Who would think that that's a problem, huh? But yes, it *is* a problem for a lot of people. If she looked as pretty as a Final Fantasy character and if her armor showed more skin, I bet whoever wrote that negative review you mentioned wouldn't have a problem with the game.

And finally, I find the idea of multiple races/cultures banding together to go against a greater evil to be the last reason why anyone would say this game is SJW-ish. Just look at the history of JRPGs. Look at Fire Emblem. Look at other sub-genres within the strategy genre. Even look at Western RPGs, both old and new, to see how diverse parties tend to be If that's reason for complaint, then whoever's bothered should give up playing video games cuz that aspect is a staple of many genres.

[Ronin-XIII]

I'll just add this. (Tired so sorry if i mess up lol)

Can we all agree that things like sjw, political correctness, and feminism are actually good causes. It's about anti bullying, respecting others, and equality.

Unfortunately the loudest who represent these messages are usually ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that completely ruin the meaning and just become bullies themselves.

Take me, I'm proud to be a real feminist that hates bullying and is for the practice of PC within context. But I'll be the first to want to yell at the idiots representing.

Fot those of you that hate on sjw and all that stuff. Please remember there's a lot of us that are respectful and willing to maturely talk about these ideas. Also, that it's okay if there's a little political agenda attached to someone's story. We all put our bias into our work. (Though I'll agree battlefield is the perfect example of it done horribly wrong and further dirties the water)

I hope that made sense lol.

Hope you all have fun. Goodnight. :)

[Kaluth]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ronin-XIII:

I'll just add this. (Tired so sorry if i mess up lol)

Can we all agree that things like sjw, political correctness, and feminism are actually good causes. It's about anti bullying, respecting others, and equality.

Unfortunately the loudest who represent these messages are usually ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that completely ruin the meaning and just become bullies themselves.

Take me, I'm proud to be a real feminist that hates bullying and is for the practice of PC within context. But I'll be the first to want to yell at the idiots representing.

Fot those of you that hate on sjw and all that stuff. Please remember there's a lot of us that are respectful and willing to maturely talk about these ideas. Also, that it's okay if there's a little political agenda attached to someone's story. We all put our bias into our work. (Though I'll agree battlefield is the perfect example of it done horribly wrong and further dirties the water)

I hope that made sense lol.

Hope you all have fun. Goodnight. :)

I couldn't agree more, the main reason why a lot of people such as myself are sick and tired of sjw/ feminism is because it's no longer about the cause, but more about the radicals trying to lord over people who don't fall into their view points. You’re ether 100% on board or you’re a nazi, think that both sides have their good and bad points, nope that makes you a nazi. Speaking of, the way they’ve ruined the power of certain words so that rather than being repulsed by hearing it, you just roll your eyes.

This isn't the 1950s any more, yet the loudest feminisms/ sjws will have you believe that there's roaming ♥♥♥♥ gangs all over the place, that men are pure evil no matter what etc. Same with Trump, did he launch the nukes or legalised ♥♥♥♥? No, yet they act as if that's the first thing he did when he got into power. Fun fact, past US politicians have spoken about building some kind of wall, other counties have either built walls/ fences or at the very lease have enforced boarder protection to keep certain types of people out.

I want discussions, and yet it nearly always devolves into who can scream/ meme the loudest.

[NemesisLeon44]

it's a game about warring armies. That's inevitably political and will cross-over with some real-world modern-day politics at some point. But no one will notice unless they're looking for it and trying to ruin the fun for themselves. I was actually relieved that this game had zero political drama surrounding it.

It's a fun game, there's nothing dramatic to find. Dramatic people will find drama anywhere. don't trust them, just have fun.

[NemesisLeon44]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kaluth:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ronin-XIII:

I'll just add this. (Tired so sorry if i mess up lol)

Can we all agree that things like sjw, political correctness, and feminism are actually good causes. It's about anti bullying, respecting others, and equality.

Unfortunately the loudest who represent these messages are usually ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that completely ruin the meaning and just become bullies themselves.

Take me, I'm proud to be a real feminist that hates bullying and is for the practice of PC within context. But I'll be the first to want to yell at the idiots representing.

Fot those of you that hate on sjw and all that stuff. Please remember there's a lot of us that are respectful and willing to maturely talk about these ideas. Also, that it's okay if there's a little political agenda attached to someone's story. We all put our bias into our work. (Though I'll agree battlefield is the perfect example of it done horribly wrong and further dirties the water)

I hope that made sense lol.

Hope you all have fun. Goodnight. :)

I couldn't agree more, the main reason why a lot of people such as myself are sick and tired of sjw/ feminism is because it's no longer about the cause, but more about the radicals trying to lord over people who don't fall into their view points. You’re ether 100% on board or you’re a nazi, think that both sides have their good and bad points, nope that makes you a nazi. Speaking of, the way they’ve ruined the power of certain words so that rather than being repulsed by hearing it, you just roll your eyes.

This isn't the 1950s any more, yet the loudest feminisms/ sjws will have you believe that there's roaming ♥♥♥♥ gangs all over the place, that men are pure evil no matter what etc. Same with Trump, did he launch the nukes or legalised ♥♥♥♥? No, yet they act as if that's the first thing he did when he got into power. Fun fact, past US politicians have spoken about building some kind of wall, other counties have either built walls/ fences or at the very lease have enforced boarder protection to keep certain types of people out.

I want discussions, and yet it nearly always devolves into who can scream/ meme the loudest.

they're lost children. That's literally it.

[Finn The Inhuman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Smugass Braixen-Chan:

Attributing a political stance to an artstyle doesn't sit well with me.

It reminds me too much of how people accuse anything drawn in an anime style of being pedophilia just because there tends to be a ton of lolis in anime. To the point where Steam has started restricting "anime" games because "Child Exploitation"

It's just an association that forms because people used it that way. If a specific subculture shares both political views and a certain aesthetic taste (either by accident or partly because it embodies certain aspects of their ideology) it's inevitable to make the association. There's a lot of art styles in fact that you can associate explicitly with certain political or philosophical ideas. It's the whole point of those "artistic currents" such as romanticism, impressionism, futurism, that one studies in art class.

Also: it's a feature, not a bug. If you share those ideas, recognising the art style is a way to know that the author of something is "on your side". It's like a coded signal. It doesn't mean it's intentional, but it's part of how communities form and keep cohesive.

[NemesisLeon44]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Finn The Inhuman:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Smugass Braixen-Chan:

Attributing a political stance to an artstyle doesn't sit well with me.

It reminds me too much of how people accuse anything drawn in an anime style of being pedophilia just because there tends to be a ton of lolis in anime. To the point where Steam has started restricting "anime" games because "Child Exploitation"

It's just an association that forms because people used it that way. If a specific subculture shares both political views and a certain aesthetic taste (either by accident or partly because it embodies certain aspects of their ideology) it's inevitable to make the association. There's a lot of art styles in fact that you can associate explicitly with certain political or philosophical ideas. It's the whole point of those "artistic currents" such as romanticism, impressionism, futurism, that one studies in art class.

Also: it's a feature, not a bug. If you share those ideas, recognising the art style is a way to know that the author of something is "on your side". It's like a coded signal. It doesn't mean it's intentional, but it's part of how communities form and keep cohesive.

People of all kinds of ideologies end up working on the same game. I've chosen to simply enjoy entertainment despite ideological drama. My best recent example is deciding to see Fantastic Creatures 2 in theaters despite Johnny Depp being a hyper-sjw liberal making violent threats. He wasn't the only reason the movie was being made. (J.K. Rowling is also fairly liberal). If we ban art because people might have a different ideology, we only hurt ourselves. Especially when there's definitely all kinds of ideologies on a team that works to build a single given product.

If virtue-signaling art styles were so important to me, I'd be forced to focus on "realistic, gritty, historical" settings exclusively. Yet cartoony anime silliness is one of my favorite styles. Here's a curve ball for you.... cowboy bebop exists. The most westernized / "conservative"-politics anime ever. Rugged space cowboys being crazy with guns. It takes all kinds.

[FatherGonzo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Toyosatomimi no Miko:

Diposting pertama kali oleh cc\\Nox:

How can character designs be SWJish? Are you talking about the art or something else?

Red nose, inconsistent blobby proportions, darker skin than should be (only applies to fanworks/fanart), and rostation when there shouldn't be are common amongst american cartoonists, especially those of lower quality or of those wanting to make a (typically far-left-leaning) political statement, relates to CalArts I think? Something about the style regarding that university?

Usually also accompanies bad storytelling, but there are plenty of notable exceptions both in a politcal regard and in regard to other categories (see steven universe, Gravity Falls, both good examples of TV shows involving this style). Also see "Tumblr Style".

As for games and other media I ain't too familiar with specific good or bad examples, but this game certainly doesn't seem to be a bad example, nor to greatly suffer from this type of style.

Honeslty based off of reviews and responses it seems only one character is a bad offender, well, I'll find out in a week or two when I get this game. Etrian Odyssey Nexus is higher on my TO BUY list but this will go second, followed by Tales of Vesperia Definitive Edition.

Sorry for ranting a bit there.

The capital you build up teasing out political agendas only spends in your head.

Mind boggling that people find value in conjuring up this nonsense; it's the very definition of the foolish agenda it claims to seek.

[headbanger1186]

I have been playing this on Switch and see nothing in regards to that or like it's spilling over the top with it like Star Wars has become. I take an honest look at things and seriously I feel like someone would have to be reaching pretty deep to point that out or see this in this title.

[Tact2]

There are people on the internet just looking for woke points, even if it means eating their own.

I think we are all just hyper aware because of the current culture war in the West. Personally, I find the most -ist -ism -obes of the world are the people who stress these issues are everywhere and one can't avoid it.

[Kaluth]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mongoloid Mike:

There are people on the internet just looking for woke points, even if it means eating their own.

I think we are all just hyper aware because of the current culture war in the West. Personally, I find the most -ist -ism -obes of the world are the people who stress these issues are everywhere and one can't avoid it.

^ Sad but true. :(

[Mazey]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kaluth:

This isn't the 1950s any more, yet the loudest feminisms/ sjws will have you believe that there's roaming ♥♥♥♥ gangs all over the place, that men are pure evil no matter what etc.

Can you find an example of someone claiming any of those things unironically?

Same with Trump, did he launch the nukes or legalised ♥♥♥♥? No, yet they act as if that's the first thing he did when he got into power.

Trump caged children and then blamed it on the other party when he could have stopped it at any time he wanted.

The fact he hasn't done those two specific evil acts does not mean he hasn't committed other evil acts, because he has.

Fun fact, past US politicians have spoken about building some kind of wall, other counties have either built walls/ fences or at the very lease have enforced boarder protection to keep certain types of people out.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants come by plane or boat, very few come via the land border, hence a wall is a hugely inefficient method of stopping immigration and Trump only wants it as it was the symbol he used to get into power.