Please don't be GREEDy and FALL to the epic game store.

[Ace-Educator]

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[ZAToM]

Publicado originalmente por NorViz:

Publicado originalmente por ZAToM \\{{~*~}}//:

man you say you are nt troll but you have no clue about the topic and you want to discuss? what kind of ♥♥♥♥ is that


first off epic is owned ~50% by tencent. now if you dont know what tencent is or why tencent is bad, gtfo

second, why dont you think exclusivity is bad and why dont you want to hear about it? it is a big point but ok... but you dont tell me that steam had too much power over developers because it was a super nice tool for indi devs to come up and it helped them all alot. you say if it was not released it was a failure? like hearthstone? its nonsense man

further:
epic had more security breaches than steam (intended?)
epic launcher stole steam user data

First off: The majority of Epic stakes are being held by Tim Sweeny, not Tencent. You got your very first fact wrong, but accuse me of being ignorant.

i stopped reading here because you are incredibly ignorant, you tell me my fact is wrong without even checking it.

Tim Sweeney (>50%)[2]
Tencent (40%)

and if you say i said 50%. i said ~50%. let me copy paste the meaning of this tilde to you

~

This symbol (in English) informally means "approximately", "about", or "around", such as "~30 minutes before", meaning "approximately 30 minutes before". It can mean "similar to", including "of the same order of magnitude as", such as: "x ~ y" meaning that x and y are of the same order of magnitude.

i am not your personal google. if you want to discuss a topic get your informations in the first place and stop this stupid trolling

[NorViz]

Publicado originalmente por ZAToM \\{{~*~}}//:

Publicado originalmente por NorViz:

First off: The majority of Epic stakes are being held by Tim Sweeny, not Tencent. You got your very first fact wrong, but accuse me of being ignorant.

i stopped reading here because you are incredibly ignorant, you tell me my fact is wrong without even checking it.

Tim Sweeney (>50%)[2]
Tencent (40%)

and if you say i said 50%. i said ~50%. let me copy paste the meaning of this tilde to you

~

This symbol (in English) informally means "approximately", "about", or "around", such as "~30 minutes before", meaning "approximately 30 minutes before". It can mean "similar to", including "of the same order of magnitude as", such as: "x ~ y" meaning that x and y are of the same order of magnitude.

i am not your personal google. if you want to discuss a topic get your informations in the first place and stop this stupid trolling

As far as stakes in companies go, the difference between 40% and 50%, or if you prefer ~50%, is huge. Especially, if there is another stake holder (Tim Sweeny) who actually holds more than 50%. So maybe you should get your information straight, before accusing me of ignorance.

And no, your not my personal google, because you are unable to provide any information, and the information that you do provide is so lackluster, it's laughable.

But seeing that you only have an opinion that is not backed by any real information at all, I too don't see any reason to go on with this discussion.

[ZAToM]

Publicado originalmente por NorViz:

Publicado originalmente por ZAToM \\{{~*~}}//:

man you say you are nt troll but you have no clue about the topic and you want to discuss? what kind of ♥♥♥♥ is that


first off epic is owned ~50% by tencent. now if you dont know what tencent is or why tencent is bad, gtfo

second, why dont you think exclusivity is bad and why dont you want to hear about it? it is a big point but ok... but you dont tell me that steam had too much power over developers because it was a super nice tool for indi devs to come up and it helped them all alot. you say if it was not released it was a failure? like hearthstone? its nonsense man

further:
epic had more security breaches than steam (intended?)
epic launcher stole steam user data

As to the exclusivity: So when a game is exclusive to Steam, it's alright, but god forbid any other store should have (timed, for the most part) exclusives? Doesn't sound right to me.

... You are doing it again. Steam exclusive doesn't exist. Steam has no exclusive games why don't you understand that. Its very simple. Steam exclusive = non existant
You spread false information and say my informations is wrong. Let alone the way you did it.

In a real discussion and not a troll fest. Someone who sais "
First off: The majority of Epic stakes are being held by Tim Sweeny, not Tencent. You got your very first fact wrong, but accuse me of being ignorant." would follow that up with the real number and not peddle back next post with "As far as stakes in companies go, the difference between 40% and 50%, or if you prefer ~50%, is huge." so this is the proof that you don't want to discuss because you don't look anything up. You just say the informations you are getting are wrong and yours are right. But you don't even provide informations. You just keep asking. Why is tencent bad? Idk where to start. They make Chinese social score. Then you ask what is Chinese social score? I'm glad you don't ask whats Chinese.

[NorViz]

Publicado originalmente por ZAToM \\{{~*~}}//:

Publicado originalmente por NorViz:

As to the exclusivity: So when a game is exclusive to Steam, it's alright, but god forbid any other store should have (timed, for the most part) exclusives? Doesn't sound right to me.

... You are doing it again. Steam exclusive doesn't exist. Steam has no exclusive games why don't you understand that. Its very simple. Steam exclusive = non existant
You spread false information and say my informations is wrong. Let alone the way you did it.

In a real discussion and not a troll fest. Someone who sais "
First off: The majority of Epic stakes are being held by Tim Sweeny, not Tencent. You got your very first fact wrong, but accuse me of being ignorant." would follow that up with the real number and not peddle back next post with "As far as stakes in companies go, the difference between 40% and 50%, or if you prefer ~50%, is huge." so this is the proof that you don't want to discuss because you don't look anything up. You just say the informations you are getting are wrong and yours are right. But you don't even provide informations. You just keep asking. Why is tencent bad? Idk where to start. They make Chinese social score. Then you ask what is Chinese social score? I'm glad you don't ask whats Chinese.

Well you see, I looked up the actual number (that you didn't provide), saw that it was way off to the point of not making any sense as an arguement and pointed it out. The only one backpedaling is you. Acting as if I don't know what aproximation is about when you aproximate numbers to the point of totally changing the facts.

To exclusvity: Please tell me, where can I get, let's say, Monster Hunter, without needing a Steam account. On PC obviously. Nowhere. Can you purchase it outside of the steam store? Yes. Can you legally play it without a steam account? No. That is exclusivity.

So Tencent, among various big league chinese corporations, are involved in realizing chinese social score. Because you are such an upstanding citizen, you surely do not own any devices or products that have been produced in China, right? And obviously, you hold every company to that standard. Right?

Look, I am not gonna change you mind, that much is clear. But until you people bring up any better arguments than yours, I'm gonna call you out on your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and be annoyed by it. If you consider that trolling, so be it. I know better.

[ZAToM]

Publicado originalmente por NorViz:

To exclusvity: Please tell me, where can I get, let's say, Monster Hunter, without needing a Steam account. On PC obviously. Nowhere. Can you purchase it outside of the steam store? Yes. Can you legally play it without a steam account? No. That is exclusivity.

no thats not exclusivity
it has nothing to do that you need a steam account. steam did not pay money and does not forbid the publishers to sell it somewhere else. valve does not force the publishers to sell ONLY on steam. you can buy it at many places you just need a steam account for DRM reasons, which is as often stated before, something different than exclusivity. its the publisher choice to be only on steam. thats not exclusive to steam. steam has nothing to do with that

and you are saying 40% to 50% changes everthing for you?

and yes i have chinese devices and im not happy about it but im aware of it. im not praising them or defending them against somebody who sais how trash they are like you do. most corporations are "bad" but tencent ist just a little bit worse than everyone else AND it does affect me in a bigger way than most. i said. if you say "♥♥♥ epic but i want to play metro so i buy it there" i understand that, but defending it to that degree, like you would earn something out of that, that i dont understand

and if you are really serious i feel sorry obviously you have never read anything about tencent and yet you want to discuss about it. thats really disrespecting

[NorViz]

Publicado originalmente por ZAToM \\{{~*~}}//:

Publicado originalmente por NorViz:

To exclusvity: Please tell me, where can I get, let's say, Monster Hunter, without needing a Steam account. On PC obviously. Nowhere. Can you purchase it outside of the steam store? Yes. Can you legally play it without a steam account? No. That is exclusivity.

no thats not exclusivity
it has nothing to do that you need a steam account. steam did not pay money and does not forbid the publishers to sell it somewhere else. valve does not force the publishers to sell ONLY on steam. you can buy it at many places you just need a steam account for DRM reasons, which is as often stated before, something different than exclusivity. its the publisher choice to be only on steam. thats not exclusive to steam. steam has nothing to do with that

and you are saying 40% to 50% changes everthing for you?

and yes i have chinese devices and im not happy about it but im aware of it. im not praising them or defending them against somebody who sais how trash they are like you do. most corporations are "bad" but tencent ist just a little bit worse than everyone else AND it does affect me in a bigger way than most. i said. if you say "♥♥♥ epic but i want to play metro so i buy it there" i understand that, but defending it to that degree, like you would earn something out of that, that i dont understand

and if you are really serious i feel sorry obviously you have never read anything about tencent and yet you want to discuss about it. thats really disrespecting

That is exclusivity. Steam makes sure that you can only use certain games on their platform. Once you are on their platform, they get access to some of you personal information and chances are you are going to be making a purchase directly on the Steam Store at some point in the future. It's not exactly the same as with Epic, but it is exclusivity nonetheless.

The difference between 40% and let's say 51% (which would fall under ~50%, as I am sure you agree) is huge. Mainly because it dictates who is actually making the operational choices at Epic. And since Tim Sweeney is the majority stockholder, what he says goes. Tencent cannot dictate a thing.

Now, while I will admit that I am no expert on how Tencent operates, I also don't quite see, why a company, that has a minority share in the company that is actually being discussed is being put to the forefront like that. Chinese companies hold minority (and in quite a few cases majority) stocks in companies all over the world, some of them being quite prominent.

And to bring this to a close: I am by no means advocating for Epic exclusivity. If it were up to me, PC games would not be bound to clients at all. I was quite happy purchasing games in stores, installing them from a DVD and not having them linked to another program. But that is not the world we live in. So I would rather see a real competitor to Steam enter the fray. Would I have liked that competitor to be GOG? Yep. But better Epic than no one.

[Coverlessbaton]

Publicado originalmente por Raibibi:

Hello!
For the moment, GreedFall is supposed to be available on Steam.
If it ever changes, we will keep you updated.

"if it ever changes" we all already know what is going to happen i only hope that the people who already pre-order can still play it through steam.

Honestly i dont know why the devs do this kind of things they are the first to know that if you release a game on PC in Steam is the better choice you can do but well, is their game and their reputation.

[tracksone]

Publicado originalmente por Raibibi:

Hello!
For the moment, GreedFall is supposed to be available on Steam.
If it ever changes, we will keep you updated.

I think that was low key a confirmation that they are trying for a move to epic

[Sparhawk122]

Publicado originalmente por tracksone:

Publicado originalmente por Raibibi:

Hello!
For the moment, GreedFall is supposed to be available on Steam.
If it ever changes, we will keep you updated.

I think that was low key a confirmation that they are trying for a move to epic

I don't believe so. They also made a comment below that comment that contradicts and updates that statement.

[ZAToM]

Publicado originalmente por NorViz:

Publicado originalmente por ZAToM \\{{~*~}}//:

no thats not exclusivity
it has nothing to do that you need a steam account. steam did not pay money and does not forbid the publishers to sell it somewhere else. valve does not force the publishers to sell ONLY on steam. you can buy it at many places you just need a steam account for DRM reasons, which is as often stated before, something different than exclusivity. its the publisher choice to be only on steam. thats not exclusive to steam. steam has nothing to do with that

and you are saying 40% to 50% changes everthing for you?

and yes i have chinese devices and im not happy about it but im aware of it. im not praising them or defending them against somebody who sais how trash they are like you do. most corporations are "bad" but tencent ist just a little bit worse than everyone else AND it does affect me in a bigger way than most. i said. if you say "♥♥♥ epic but i want to play metro so i buy it there" i understand that, but defending it to that degree, like you would earn something out of that, that i dont understand

and if you are really serious i feel sorry obviously you have never read anything about tencent and yet you want to discuss about it. thats really disrespecting

The difference between 40% and let's say 51% (which would fall under ~50%, as I am sure you agree) is huge. Mainly because it dictates who is actually making the operational choices at Epic. And since Tim Sweeney is the majority stockholder, what he says goes. Tencent cannot dictate a thing.

i didnt say tencent dictates epic what to do. i think tencent doesnt interfer in epics buisness much and tim sweeney is just a pure ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who started acting like that cause he got backed up by some money. but the money that epic gets is money (value) for tencent who do their own things...

[Bladeslayer]

I will be preordering on Wednesday.

[Mr. Happy Wolf]

I going to pre-order this at the end of this month (July). I just hope it works on windows
8.1. 64 bit. I love many of Spiders games and this looks like something I would like too.

[Bladeslayer]

I just bought it this morning.

[Duracuir]

Steam or Epic , i dont care.... i just buy the games i want

[NTense]

Publicado originalmente por Duracuir:

Steam or Epic , i dont care.... i just buy the games i want

This is the proper attitude. Not one person who installed Epic Games then went and uninstalled Steam. The people who are complaining almost always have spent thousands on their Steam account and then act like they are against "anti consumer practices" yet it's fine for Steam to have exclusives? The same people go around saying "No Steam, no buy", Valve loves these people. Buy the game from Epic then add it to your Steam library and run it from Steam if that really is the issue. The whole thing is such a joke, I love it.