To anyone who bought this, do you consider it a SJW game?

[Spindles]

Games I consider SJW (so refuse to buy) are things like battletech, Gears 5, mortal kombat 11, prey etc Games i don't consider sjw and are just pure escapism fun are witcher 3, forest, conan exiles, monster hunter, resident evil 2, dark souls series etc

Does this game steer clear of marxist propoganda, is it just a game to enjoy and have some escapism in? I get so mad when I see propoganda in games these days that it totally sours the experience for me.

[Terminus]

Originally posted by CushyCrux:

He has a sexy blue alien female profile pic, how does that fit in the picture?

Keep on tryin', somebody'll bite!

[EvilDonut]

Hell no.

And believe me, i am one of the strongest haters of SJWs.

I really can't understand where did this critique come from.

[Spindles]

Originally posted by cegorach:

Originally posted by Spindle:

Games I consider SJW (so refuse to buy) are things like battletech, Gears 5, mortal kombat 11, prey etc Games i don't consider sjw and are just pure escapism fun are witcher 3, forest, conan exiles, monster hunter, resident evil 2, dark souls series etc

Does this game steer clear of marxist propoganda, is it just a game to enjoy and have some escapism in? I get so mad when I see propoganda in games these days that it totally sours the experience for me.

'IM A NAZI BOOTLICKER WILL THIS GAME TRY AND MAKE ME ACT LIKE A HALFWAY DECENT HUMAN BEING'

It IS an 'SJW' game but luckily you need to have a brain to understand the subtext, so you should be safe :)

You seem incredibly mad, I feel sorry for you :)

[Spindles]

Originally posted by Andi Autopsy:

Nah this games great if you want to play out your white power fantasys and beat some savages It's more fun if you cant understand what there saying so i suggest not brining the translator girl that way you can dehumanize them even more (not that i played the game for this reason but some might)

White power?

You mean the race of people who ended slavery, went to space, created all modern technology and all modern medicine? Yeah it's pretty powerful tbh.

[BoogieMan]

Originally posted by Averagedog:

If you guys are wondering about BattleTech, there was an controversy when the game first came out due to BattleTech Univers Lore Changes and some of the devs really REALLY focused on "Diversity and Inclusion" and had verbal fights with now disenfranchised BattleTech fans. Of course these people who actually cared about the lore of the world behind the game were called a bunch of buzzwords by the devs and "Games Journalists."

I understand where Spindle is coming from. Often times, it isn't necessarily about the game's contents unless if there is censorship or direct pandering that flies in the face of the game's established lore or known presentation that made the franchise successful. More often than not if the devs or publisher panders to the woke crowd it puts off Gamers interested in games as a means to escape partisan politics.

Take for instance the recent Borderlands 3 thing with FL4K. Fl4K is a Robot character that has a rather male looking Chassis and is voiced to sound masculine. People naturally assumed the Robot was "male" in gender. The writer or a few other devs got triggered when they saw people in the forums and on reddit were referring to the robot as "He." So instead of calmly setting the record straight, they outright threatened to ban people in the borderlands forums for not using the correct pronouns for a fictional robot character with zero pre established lore from previous games that looks and sounds male. This was followed up by a few supporters in reddit who demanded that FL4K's pronouns be respected. This is the type of stuff that people like spindle and myself dislike. It is all about the attitude and their lack of respect for a diversity of opinion.

As for Greedfall, I have just done all the side quests in the tutorial area and honestly this game feels as interesting and nuanced as Mass Effect 1 so far. In my opinion, what the GreedFall devs have done is pretty bold in the face of what AAA titles are doing. Sticking with 2 Genders instead of saying " body type." The main character appears to have actual personality and isn't simply a blank slate though you can of course drastically influence the decisions your character makes. Skin tone is limited to what may generally appeared in France during the Renaissance era... for a fantasy game that takes a lot from actual history in terms of architecture and culture I am pretty immersed.

I see what you mean, but neither of those issues on their own seem to have any effect on the games themselves. Just because the people involved are tedious twits doesn't automatically make the game pander to this or that unless it directly does.

In the case of Battletech, the only thing I can think of that would trigger the most sensitive is the gender pronoun deal. To which I say, who cares. Set it how it works for you. It's mere existence doesn't hurt the game in any way and it is no business of ours how someone else wants to do it.

As for Borderlands 3, threatening to ban people on a forum for using the wrong indicators sounds pretty lame and self righteous. I fully agree there. But if that doesn't translate into the game itself.. Who cares? Forums can be avoided if they are toxic.

[The Badman]

While I like the game, I dislike how dinstinct de sarder's personality is. It's like fallout 4 protagonists. You cant actually be evil or selfish, you do thing for your family regardless and you are FORCED to do it for them.
RPG character without a blank slate is always dev's excuse to not write in choices that make we avoid a situation and content we dont want to get in. But they do.
The problem with modern "blank slate" character is: their blank slate is a LIMITING factor instead of being well, an actual blank slate. For example, Fallout 2 and New Vegas have blank slate characters yet and they can be kind, goody two shoes, naive to smart, savvy, selfish, racist, authoritarian, psychopath... whatever. No devs today would dare write a dialog option where you protagonist insult "minorities" like in new vegas.

[Terminus]

Originally posted by Spike Shinobi:

I agree with you, but my problem is that "bad writing" can happen, yes, and it's a shame... but to me anything trying to be "woke" is automatically going to be bad. They are choosing to be political or agenda driven instead of choosing to make something good and entertaining.
'I want to make a game with a girl in a bikini, but if I do there's going to be backlash. I also have to have a gay character. All the generals, presidents, scientists, leaders, engineers need to be women.'

This is where I am. The Battletech gender thing is neither here nor there to me because it doesn't affect the writing or the gameplay at all. That's a classic example of people on the anti-PC side (to which I'm generally sympathetic) either being too sensitive or trying to make a point. I roll my eyes when like half of the relationships in a game are homosexual, or when the characters in a game have obviously been portrayed to carefully check every single box in the demographic list, but the only time I have a genuine issue is when a game is obviously politicized or when it's being driven by PC revisionism. So, for instance, when a game is purported to be historically-inspired, such as Battlefield 1*, and decides to include women as soldiers for the sake of inclusivity, I'm turned off. As a counter-example, I think the devs attitude towards the SJW mob regarding Kingdom Come--summed up as, "It's medieval central Europe, not a Benetton ad", is awesome.

*Battlefield 1 found a historically-accurate way to include women as scouts in the Russian army in a DLC. While they were extraordinarily rare, there were Russian women in the Russian army, especially towards the end of the war when they were running out of able-bodied young men and morale was becoming a serious issue.

[Dregora]

Sometimes I wonder if people who are against SJW stuff so extremely even realize they're just as extreme as the ones they claim to dislike or hate.

Irony at it's finest, I suppose.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Spindle:

Originally posted by Andi Autopsy:

Nah this games great if you want to play out your white power fantasys and beat some savages It's more fun if you cant understand what there saying so i suggest not brining the translator girl that way you can dehumanize them even more (not that i played the game for this reason but some might)

White power?

You mean the race of people who ended slavery, went to space, created all modern technology and all modern medicine? Yeah it's pretty powerful tbh.

Still waiting on your ( surely) fascinating explanation whats SJW about PREY.

[Spindles]

Originally posted by Dregora:

Sometimes I wonder if people who are against SJW stuff so extremely even realize they're just as extreme as the ones they claim to dislike or hate.

Irony at it's finest, I suppose.

How is it difficult friend?

Let me tell you how the world works:

SJW: "this should not exist, we will deplatform you to silence you"
Normal people: "I don't like it, but I have no problem with you making it"

See the difference? You're welcome.

[Spindles]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by Spindle:

White power?

You mean the race of people who ended slavery, went to space, created all modern technology and all modern medicine? Yeah it's pretty powerful tbh.

Still waiting on your ( surely) fascinating explanation whats SJW about PREY.

I like that you are waiting, keep doing it. I don't owe you an explanation, I don't care what you think.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Spindle:

I like that you are waiting, keep doing it.

So basically you just lied and have no arguments.
WHAT A SURPRISE.

[Spindles]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by Spindle:

I like that you are waiting, keep doing it.

So basically you just lied and have no arguments.
WHAT A SURPRISE.

You seem confused, the reality is I don't have to explain myself to you because you mean nothing to me at all. I simply do not care about you so I have no reason to waste time on you.

If you like it, enjoy it as much as you can in every way possible.

I own Prey and I do see it as a very SJW heavy game but I can't be bothered to explain it, anyone that has played it I'm sure knows where I'm coming from on this.

[EvilDonut]

I wish to know WHAT exactly people consider SJW about this game. A depiction of what REAL colonization has been is not sjw, just a statement of facts.

[Spindles]

Originally posted by EvilDonut:

I wish to know WHAT exactly people consider SJW about this game. A depiction of what REAL colonization has been is not sjw, just a statement of facts.

From what I have seen, nothing?