Loop 13 SPOILERS (Help?)

[Blaizeus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftgJjc6oPMI&ab_channel=NopeSir

Can anyone elses brain just not process the attack at 5:10? From the video I've linked, it's not just me. It seems like there is an extremely small wiggle window of going back and forth between blue and pink? I ragequit out from my 1st attempt because I took like 13 damage to that attack and was like "nope, not counting that one"

All I can muster is I'll need to get to that attack with a stupid amount of HP.

[Blaizeus]

I watched 3 more videos of people on youtube fighting it and every single one just gets their hp torn apart from like 30 to 10..I respect the player that knows how to dodge this hell.

[Nick]

Originally posted by Blaizeus:

I watched 3 more videos of people on youtube fighting it and every single one just gets their hp torn apart from like 30 to 10..I respect the player that knows how to dodge this hell.

I've seen a gif of the dev dodging this attack and I *still* don't know how to dodge it. My strat is still "show up with a lot of HP to tank it". It works, but it's really not elegant at all.

[Baba is OMNIPOTENT]

I think there is at least one video of somebody no-hitting the boss in practice mode, so you could try to figure out the strat used there. Like Nick said though, it still barely makes sense how you dodge it even when shown the strat right in front of your eyes.
Even though it is extremely difficult to dodge entirely, if you can even dodge it a little than it gives you a better fighting chance (also bombs if you still have them could help a monumental amount).
Edit: The video I was thinking of calls the boss Point Infinity.

[Nick]

Originally posted by Baba is OMNIPOTENT:

I think there is at least one video of somebody no-hitting the boss in practice mode, so you could try to figure out the strat used there. Like Nick said though, it still barely makes sense how you dodge it even when shown the strat right in front of your eyes.
Even though it is extremely difficult to dodge entirely, if you can even dodge it a little than it gives you a better fighting chance (also bombs if you still have them could help a monumental amount).

Bombs wouldn't help much because of the shield.

[Baba is OMNIPOTENT]

Originally posted by Nick:

Originally posted by Baba is OMNIPOTENT:

I think there is at least one video of somebody no-hitting the boss in practice mode, so you could try to figure out the strat used there. Like Nick said though, it still barely makes sense how you dodge it even when shown the strat right in front of your eyes.
Even though it is extremely difficult to dodge entirely, if you can even dodge it a little than it gives you a better fighting chance (also bombs if you still have them could help a monumental amount).

Bombs wouldn't help much because of the shield.

What do you mean by the shield?
Edit: from watching a video it seems that whenever the player gets I-frames or bombs the boss gains a shield to also be invincible during that time. I missed this on my own completion run (I saw it but I did not register what it meant).

[harmonica]

Move right on blue, left on pink. Don't let the pattern push you to the bottom or sides of the screen too much though. When the color changes just move where there aren't bullets and move in the appropriate direction until the next color change.

I somehow dodged this blind with only one hit. It made sense in the moment.

[Plumber]

Easily one of the hardest patterns in the game despite seemingly not having much RNG, if any. I tend to get sniped by an edge bullet of the opposite color as I change layers, and that typically means my rhythm's off so I have to scramble to get back in position...

[Blaizeus]

Glad to hear suffering is shared. I've tried the boss about 5 times now on 5 seperate runs, and I just can not get through it with enough health.

I can't decide if I should keep replaying Nowhere to practice it or keep restarting like I have been and hoping for better runs.

[Plumber]

A stacked run can make it a lot more doable, but unless you're going in with like 160% dmg despite the F7 penalty and a rare weapon, he's got enough health that there's no way around learning at least most of his patterns. The first phase is damage capped as well.

If you can clear everything leading up to it with 15+ HP and 130%+ damage, you're in fantastic shape to win even if your weapon goes dry. Because none of its moves do double damage and it becomes fully invulnerable when you bomb, I recommend spending all your bombs on the first phase or the previous fights instead - and definitely don't use them during the red+blue attacks, since all of them ramp up over time and become WAY more difficult. Even the default gun at 100% power can end the phases shortly after they reach maximum difficulty, but bombing even a single time adds like 3 seconds of dead output which is liable to get you hit more than if you had just accepted the mistake and recovered naturally...

[Songbird]

Okay, so just analyzing the attack:

If you play at the bottom of the screen, the blue is much easier to dodge. The projectiles are much farther apart. You don't need to think about the ring or watch the pattern of ghost blue projectiles; just look at the actual solid blue projectiles and where they are, since they are all you actually need to dodge. The pink part of the attack just follows a rhythm: if you are just left of center and at the bottom of the screen, it will always miss you as it becomes solid, and then you just move left slightly and get ready for the blue attack, where you need to go back right slightly.

[Plumber]

Originally posted by Songbird:

You don't need to think about the ring or watch the pattern of ghost blue projectiles

You would think, right? And I otherwise agree about staying left of center - but as the pattern progresses, you have to do more and more predictive weaving because the blue projectiles move slower than the rings do and slowly rotate. The longer it drags on, the harder it is to avoid bonking into an edge bullet UNLESS you have the pattern down by heart or really strain to watch the ghost blues/reds. It’s a brutal attack to sight-read as a result, even if it follows a pretty fixed and therefore memorizable pattern.

Thankfully, by the time it ramps up to max difficulty it’s almost done in a real run where you have boosted damage, but this thing walloped me in practice mode! It’s especially pronounced when using Overlord since 100% dmg sword takes what feels like forever to end the phase. It’s arguably an easier fight on Intense than Mild where Practice is concerned…

For reference, the video OP posted clears this phase in about 11 seconds right as it’s peaking. In Practice, the default sword clears it in about 27 seconds, spending more time in “the hard part” than not, forced to pay all the debt incurred by being able to rush the other two red+blue attacks faster than the default gun…

[Blaizeus]

I didnt realize the bombs would be a net negative; i saw they gave it a shield, but i didnt realize the patterns intensified. Knowing i can spend my bombs on database is very helpful.

[Plumber]

yeah, ultimately the only times it’s worth bombing are at the very start (where you can easily cap dmg even with default dmg) or as a pretty neutral trade during any of its normal attacks (wastes time but you might get lucky and have it roll a pattern you struggle less with next). NEVER worth bombing during the red+blue attacks unless you’re on your last point of health and you thus have no choice