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Just for you.
https://erenow.net/ww/the-oxford-handbook-of-warfare-in-the-classical-world/24.php
The equipment hoplites generally carried included body armor, a thrusting spear, and a short sword. Armor included helmet, shield, breastplate, greaves, and, to some extent, optional pieces like guards for the right arm, thighs, and ankles. Artistic evidence has shaped this picture which should be modified by evidence provided by finds of arms and armor, the majority of which comes from panhellenic sanctuaries, especially that at Olympia.
Finds of bronze armor for arms are quite few and limited mostly to the upper arm guards from Olympia. All these have been made to protect the right arm of the hoplites whose left arm was covered by the shield. Originals and representations in art are limited to the archaic period with the earliest examples from Olympia perhaps datable to the first half of the seventh century (Jarva 1995: 72–9; cf. Euphronios 1991: no. 34), but their use later is suggested by Xenophon’s recommendation (Eq. mag. 12.7) for horsemen.
Philip was a horseman, one without shield or arm protection, or one with arm protection and no shield, the example found and looks like this and is made of bronze found in Macedonia.
http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/images/armguard02.jpg
If this is all you have to complain about in OW as not being optimal, something that effects game play not in least, i suggest you think again.
Thats art, which is different from i used what has been found in archaeology, to show what was found, What premise do you refer to?, what other tropes that effect gameplay do you refer to, since you have failed to find one so far.
That Philips wedge cav were trained to break infantry lines but decided not to use arm protection for the exposed thrusting arm seems to be a trope of yours. These cav are not in game, something a tad more important that your supposed trope, but you chose to ignore such trivialities in favour of you pet peeve.
Fact free, we have archaeology that shows they existed, and Xenophon’s recommendation for there use. And your next trope is that archery armour is somehow connected to Philips introduction of sarisa , when it was not.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/504637
Again fact free, films depicted them earlier than that, so thats three tropes, want to try for more?.
That you decide to call names shows your claims in your post history, to have been in the military and be a game designer, and now an archaeologist no doubt, are most likely, more self deception on your part. Here you tell a game designer "As a game designer I can *STATE* that you should be having a better turn around then this", Thats another of your Jedi mind powers, the rest of use lack,right?.
One your wrong. This was amusing tho." Because anything that was made from leather or cloth would have worn away by now," is your evidence for something not to have existed, and so not be in game.
Two Mohawk disagrees. https://discord.com/channels/703016545953251379/703016546380939366/882700989340217344
Leyla [Mohawk Games] — 02/09/2021
We have addressed that OW is not claiming to be a historical document, but you can’t stop us from saying it is a historical 4X, the level of history we present qualifies us as such.
Lastly for those actually interested in history of arm protection in teh Roman period http://www.romanarmy.net/manica.shtml
I see the problem here, now that I look at all of these references: the bracers have too much Phillip.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DHorse.%3Achapter%3D12
[5] And as a wound in the left hand disables the rider, we also recommend the piece of armour invented for it called the “hand.”1 For it protects the shoulder, the arm, the elbow, and the fingers that hold the reins; it will also extend and fold up; and in addition it covers the gap left by the breastplate under the armpit. [6] But the right hand must be raised when the man intends to fling his javelin or strike a blow. Consequently that portion of the breastplate that hinders him in doing that should be removed; and in place of it there should be detachable flaps at the joints, in order that, when the arm is elevated, they may open correspondingly, and may close when it is lowered. [7] For the fore-arm it seems to us that the piece put over it separately like a greave is better than one that is bound up together with a piece of armour.2 The part that is left exposed when the right arm is raised should be covered near the breastplate with calf-skin or metal; otherwise the most vital part will be unprotected.
1 http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/images/armguard05.jpg and http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/images/armguard06.jpg for how the hand protection looked may have looked, from found Macedon examples.
Ḫalcayan frieze, c250 BC shows arm armour on Greek cav.
How about:
Philip II of Macedonia greater than Alexander
Richard A. Gabriel 2010 edition, He is a former adjunct professor in the Department of History and War Studies at the Royal Military College of Canada and in the Department of Defence Studies at the Canadian Forces College in Toronto.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philip-II-Macedonia-Greater-Alexander/dp/1597975192
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The Macedonian cavalryman’s armor offers a clue to the tactical role that Philip set for him: his protective equipment was designed primarily to protect him more from attack by infantry than by cavalry. Xenophon provides a detailed description of this cavalry armor.58 An iron breastplate protected the cavalryman’s chest and back with some sort of loose-fitting collar to protect the neck “standing up from the breastplate and shaped to the neck . . . which if properly made, will cover the rider’s face as high as his nose.” The soldier’s head was protected by an iron helmet.59 “Since a wound in the left hand disables the rider,” his left hand and arm were covered by a piece of equipment called “the hand,” or gauntlet, which was a leather sleeve extending from the hand to the shoulder and secured under the breastplate. On the right side
of the breastplate were thick leather flaps that ran under the armpit and protected the upper chest when the arm was raised to strike a blow. The rider’s right forearm was covered with a metal greave attached to a leather sleeve that was attached under the breastplate at the armpit. His feet were covered in thick leather boots that went up to his metal leg greaves, for the great majority of wounds to cavalry were in the lower legs.60 The cavalryman’s thighs were protected by either leather or metal thigh pieces that served as greaves for the upper leg. Philip standardized armor for his cavalry, and the cavalryman had to bear the expense himself."
Others can do what you cannot, because your strategically incompetant and tactically inept, and innumerate, it does not mean everyone else has the same defects.
Fact free. Its how its taught and how history works but feel free free to contradict Gabriel and Sabin.
What i showed was archaeology and art, has found them pre Philip and post Philip, and Xenephon writes a recommendation on the training of a cavalryman, on the use of them during Philips lifetime. He also recomended the use of the Kopis, ideal for cutting of Romans limbs when they first encounter it, see Livy polybios, so of course Greeks never thought to use arm protection against it, oh wait they do pre and post Philip but decided not to bother when fighting against Greeks with the Kopis under Philips reign.
We have authors like Polybios telling us the Gladius hispaniensis was used in the second Punic war, but none have been found from that period, does that mean Polybios is wrong?, or we just have yet to confirm with archaeology, he was right.
Maybe you should learn how to count?.
Xenophon, On the Art of Horsemanship was written in about 355 BC, Philip was born 359 and dies in 336.
Maybe some reading comprehension from you would help when what is used lower arm protection.
http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/images/armguard02.jpg
A bronze lower arm guard has been found together the armour and graves in the Dendra tomb n 12. This guard is shaped like a pipe and tapers towards the bottom. small holes enabled a lining to be attached are present all around the edge. The bronze is as thin as the greaves. The arm guard is 205 mm long with a diameter of 90 mm at the top and 40 mm at the bottom.
We know they did because thats what was found.
https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/historical-themes/the-fur-trail/fur-in-prehistory/helmets-embellished-with-feathers-and-horsehair/#:~:text=Presumably%20these%20helmet%20crests%20held,a%20falcon%20or%20an%20eagle.
Presumably these helmet crests held a mane of horsehair, known also from later Greek and Roman helmets. On each side of the central crest are a couple of pierced studs, analyses of which have shown that a feather had been attached, perhaps from a falcon or an eagle. The helmets are also equipped with the beak of a bird of prey.
No, you really do not, oh uniformed one.
Moron, 51 to 70 IQ level, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ is all below 67, if your going to throw big words out, best to understand the meaning as you contradict yourself due to liking to mis use words you dont understand.
Btw, being moron and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ would be an accidents of nature. You being uneducated is a self made effort on your part.
You cannot obtain an education without being taught they existed, so there is no debate, there is uninformed ranting, and what is taught.
https://planbee.com/blogs/news/ancient-greece-facts-ks2
"Hoplites wore a bronze helmet, a bronze or leather breastplate (called a thorax), bronze greaves (or knemides) to protect the shins, and sometimes arm guards too."
Young children ( Key Stage 2 is a phase of primary education for pupils aged 7 to 11 in England and Wales) know more than the resident fantasist.
The Cambridge History of Greek and Roman Warfare Volume 1,
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-history-of-greek-and-roman-warfare/3906CE2DA5428E23DA4C5271F34E6563
"Cavalry men could be well protected with armour. The extra weight of armour did not impinge as significantly on their horses’ mobility as on a hoplite and the expense of armour was less onerous for the wealthy men who typically made up the cavalry. Shields were rarely if ever used, since one hand was needed to hold the reins. Although horse armour was rare, riders were often protected with breastplates, helmets, greaves and boots.25 Although thigh-, arm-, and hand-armour existed, it does not seem to have been commonly used."
Note 25 Literary evidence and arguments from probability suggest that horsemen wore armour more often than might be surmised from vase-paintings: Spence (1993) 64. Cavalry typically wore heavier body armour than infantry did: Xen. An. 3.4.47–9.