Civ 5 or Old World?

[Guvenoren]

I didn't even know this game existed until now.
So I personally like CIV5 over CIV6, but when I saw this my instinct triggered CIV5 Immedietly.

So, what do you guys think?

[The Doctor]

Visually, the art style is more similar to Civ V's than it is to 6's but the gameplay is very different from either of those. The character system is unlike anything in a Civ game and while nowhere near as detailed as CK2 or 3, its impact on the game is substantial.

Since that sounds encouraging you should be aware that this game does not allow the player to plonk down cities wherever they please though. It seems to be the biggest concern some Civvers and others have with this game. There are only a few locations where you can lay down a city and you'll be fighting over them a LOT.

It's not the first game to do this though - Fallen Enchantress and the spin-off Sorcerer King have a similar system of restriced placement sites. If you H-A-T-E not being able to place where you want like you can with Civ games, well, it's going to be a serious issue. ;)

[waynel140]

I found this to be an issue at first, but then realized it is just one more decision one has to make. Since there is a limited number of sites, the only way to expand is conquering. Then, it becomes the same way of coloring the map that Civ does. I don't even think about it anymore. (Believe me, there is enough to think about.)

[Azurewrath]

I remember there were posts like 'differences between Civ and OW' in discord or anywhere, someone could post them here or even pin them, cuz we can expect that it'd be a FAQ when it release at 19 MAY.

[ikben_melvin]

Easy - Old World without a doubt.

[Guvenoren]

Motivate

[Marlowe]

Personally, if forced to choose I'd take any iteration of Civ--I'm an admitted Civ fanboy and am still playing and enjoying Civ VI despite its many flaws. (And still hoping really hard for Civ VII, which is apparently not a sure thing.) But Old Word is different enough and good enough to be worth playing as well--I really like it and recommend it to any fan of 4X games. I still think Old World is a really terrible name though, LOL. (Now, the better question for a Civ fan might be Old World or Humankind, which I regard as a disaster and sadly missed opportunity.)

[Mtabacco]

I bought Old World to hold me over until Humankind came out. I did not give it a real chance . Human kind came out and THEN i decided one night to give Old World a solid couple hours to get a real feel for it. All I can say is Humankind has been a no show in my life since then. Old World has that one more turn feeling. Last night i was going to call it good about midnight because I had to get up early with my kids, lets just say i did not have to get up.

[waynel140]

Not only does it have the One More Turn feel, but it has great replayability, from what I've experienced so far. With Civ, every civilization is the same, and sort of a one strategy fits all, at least in my humble experience, where Old World they are different, plus require a different strategy depending on the map. I have not concentrated on the family options enough yet to know how they can change the game from one to the next, but I think there is real depth there, too, not just something thrown in that makes the game different from all other 4Xers.

I really hope in three weeks there will be significant buzz for the game. It's going to be a fan favorite, I believe. The phrase "instant classic" comes to mind.

[junta]

The major advantage OW has over CIV is AI. AI can actually beat up your ass unlike in CIV5 they send trebs in front of troops etc. I mostly played CIV5 online a lot of, but when it comes to mods the AI ruins conquering experience. In OW you can fight like it would be online CIV5.

And the major disadvantage is optimisation. Because bots scan a map permamently it lags over time when they snowball huge armies.

OW has additional flavor in the form of storytelling about your dynasty. It always interesting, however for sake of balance can be turned off. Nevertheless each true fan of Civ should give it a try because the devs itself made civ4 in their time.

[Noma]

Originally posted by MagicMenace:

The major advantage OW has over CIV is AI. AI can actually beat up your ass unlike in CIV5 they send trebs in front of troops etc. I mostly played CIV5 online a lot of, but when it comes to mods the AI ruins conquering experience. In OW you can fight like it would be online CIV5.

And the major disadvantage is optimisation. Because bots scan a map permamently it lags over time when they snowball huge armies.

OW has additional flavor in the form of storytelling about your dynasty. It always interesting, however for sake of balance can be turned off. Nevertheless each true fan of Civ should give it a try because the devs itself made civ4 in their time.

If it runs better than Total War Warhammer II, it's fine.
Would you say that the AI cheat (like in Stellaris or Total War games), or is fair ? Meaning, not spawning unit stacks from thin air or operating at negative money with no penalty, etc...

[Dale Kent]

Originally posted by Noma:

Originally posted by MagicMenace:

The major advantage OW has over CIV is AI. AI can actually beat up your ass unlike in CIV5 they send trebs in front of troops etc. I mostly played CIV5 online a lot of, but when it comes to mods the AI ruins conquering experience. In OW you can fight like it would be online CIV5.

And the major disadvantage is optimisation. Because bots scan a map permamently it lags over time when they snowball huge armies.

OW has additional flavor in the form of storytelling about your dynasty. It always interesting, however for sake of balance can be turned off. Nevertheless each true fan of Civ should give it a try because the devs itself made civ4 in their time.

If it runs better than Total War Warhammer II, it's fine.
Would you say that the AI cheat (like in Stellaris or Total War games), or is fair ? Meaning, not spawning unit stacks from thin air or operating at negative money with no penalty, etc...

Operationally, the AI works to the exact same ruleset as the human. However, these are specific AI "cheats" or "helpers":
- The higher the difficulty, the more cities it starts with (this is called Development and can be modified in Advanced Setup).
- There is an option called "Play to Win" in Advanced Setup which makes AI nations relationship drop as someone approaches a win state (including.... the AI approaching win state).
- We do use a Civ-style cheat (free stuff per turn) called "AI Advantage" in Advanced Setup. This is simply where the AI gets some free yields, free orders, etc per turn. By default this is off, but is customisable using different levels of AI Advantage.

However, I would highly recommend jumping into the game at a mid level of difficulty using none of the AI "cheats". Civ Deity level is NOT good preparation for Old World The Great level. :)

[HB]

Originally posted by Noma:

Would you say that the AI cheat (like in Stellaris or Total War games), or is fair ? Meaning, not spawning unit stacks from thin air or operating at negative money with no penalty, etc...

There are many levers you can tweek in game setup to get an AI your happy with, this is one of the designs strengths of the game as it allows players who want a historical feel and players who want to beat the game system and anyone in between to set up the AI to give them the kind of game experience they want to play.

There is no cheating per se, just your choice of how strong the perks are for the AI to give you what your looking for.

[Raen]

Well, just to clarify something: if you start your first game with the Simple setup on any difficulty level other than the very easiest one, the AI nations will be starting with more cities and techs than you.

It's true that you can go into the advanced settings and change that, but I suspect more than one player will be caught as I was on their first game, wondering how they so quickly fell into last place. :)

The AI's good, but it isn't THAT good. At least not on the easier levels. Perhaps on the highest ones it'll give me the drubbing I obviously deserve.

[Dale Kent]

Originally posted by Raen:

Well, just to clarify something: if you start your first game with the Simple setup on any difficulty level other than the very easiest one, the AI nations will be starting with more cities and techs than you.

The game's elevator pitch is "You are a new nation, in an Old World", so it's deliberate that everything is occupied, and AI nations are already established.

[Guvenoren]

What is Old Worlds focus? Is it the entire world or only a select part? I would much prefer the entire globe.