Performance issues

[SaltyStrawberry777]

I wish to ask why this game needs you to have a graphics card good enough to run Crysis on Ultra High settings to get a smooth performance? Its a old PS2 port of a game and even the more recent FF games like 13 require less graphical performance than FF12 steam port. Is there a performance patch cause I had a RTX 9 9370 graphics card and could only run this game at Medium settings prior to my setup getting hot.

[Kule02]

Ambient occlusion in this game is a real resource hog. Did you try setting that to half?

[Casurin]

It is an old remaster - a PS2 game ported to PS$ then ported to PC. It is internally still runnign the PS2-Code in emulation and has some graphic-effects that were done sloppily and take a lot of performance.

Originally posted by SaltyStrawberry777:

I had a RTX 9 9370 graphics card

There is NO such thing.
I would guess you got soemthing like an R7 370 - which is quite an old card and wel - i ran the game with a R9 280X (which is like 30% faster) at near maxed settings.

So yeah - turn down ambient occlusion and it should be fine....
Or get a faster GPU. What you got is a rebrand of a refresh of a 2013 midrange GPU.

Aso - if your system is getting hot then it might be time to clean it up.

[Andrea Honeybee]

MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3070 8GB GDRR6 256-Bit HDMI/DP Tri-Frozr 2 TORX Fan 4.0 Ampere Architecture RGB OC Graphics Card (RTX 3070 Gaming X Trio) found that on amazon, maybe he means that?

idk, i just googled and that was like closest thing that came up lol love being stoned and curious at 630 after being up all night watching a DC movie marathon

lmao theres also this... RTX-9 Turbo All Purpose Heavy Duty Cleaner-Degreaser, SKU-Killer, Ideal for Cleaning Bugs off Cars, Trucks, Fleet, Steering Wheels, Dashboards, Car Carpets, Engines, Tires, Facilities & Equipment

[SaltyStrawberry777]

Originally posted by Casurin:

It is an old remaster - a PS2 game ported to PS$ then ported to PC. It is internally still runnign the PS2-Code in emulation and has some graphic-effects that were done sloppily and take a lot of performance.

Originally posted by SaltyStrawberry777:

I had a RTX 9 9370 graphics card

There is NO such thing.
I would guess you got soemthing like an R7 370 - which is quite an old card and wel - i ran the game with a R9 280X (which is like 30% faster) at near maxed settings.

So yeah - turn down ambient occlusion and it should be fine....
Or get a faster GPU. What you got is a rebrand of a refresh of a 2013 midrange GPU.

Aso - if your system is getting hot then it might be time to clean it up.

Okay I checked, its a RTX 9 390X, so from 2015. But yeah, running the game on medium settings made my PC hot

[Casurin]

Originally posted by ;3002178829581540426:

Okay I checked, its a RTX 9 390X, so from 2015. But yeah, running the game on medium settings made my PC hot

Then it is an R9 390X - there is NO "RTX" in the name.
Also that GPU should be more than capable of running the game at 60FPS 1080p maxed settings - as i said, i played it with the R9 280X. Your card should be roughly >30% faster than mine was so you should have bo problems from that side.

If your PC is running "hot" - how did you check that? Are the fans spinning up and getting loud? If so - which one?
use a tool like "HWMonitor" or "HWiNFO" to check the CPU/GPU temps. (they should stay under 85°C normally)

From what you have told us i would assume it is a pre-built PC (or at least not built by you) - you can at the very least clean the PC:
disconnect it from Power - then push the power-button again just to discharge anything (precaution against any potential shocks) and check for the air inlets and outlets - they are likely stuffed with dust. Clean that off (pull of by hand, use a broom - just do not use a vacuum cleaner as that is not good for the fans). if your case allows it you can also open it up and check the inside for dust. Again - just use a small broom to clean it.

And if you have - ask a friend that has built his own PC to have a look at it.

[SaltyStrawberry777]

Originally posted by Casurin:

Originally posted by ;3002178829581540426:

Okay I checked, its a RTX 9 390X, so from 2015. But yeah, running the game on medium settings made my PC hot

Then it is an R9 390X - there is NO "RTX" in the name.
Also that GPU should be more than capable of running the game at 60FPS 1080p maxed settings - as i said, i played it with the R9 280X. Your card should be roughly >30% faster than mine was so you should have bo problems from that side.

If your PC is running "hot" - how did you check that? Are the fans spinning up and getting loud? If so - which one?
use a tool like "HWMonitor" or "HWiNFO" to check the CPU/GPU temps. (they should stay under 85°C normally)

From what you have told us i would assume it is a pre-built PC (or at least not built by you) - you can at the very least clean the PC:
disconnect it from Power - then push the power-button again just to discharge anything (precaution against any potential shocks) and check for the air inlets and outlets - they are likely stuffed with dust. Clean that off (pull of by hand, use a broom - just do not use a vacuum cleaner as that is not good for the fans). if your case allows it you can also open it up and check the inside for dust. Again - just use a small broom to clean it.

And if you have - ask a friend that has built his own PC to have a look at it.

sorry to burst your bubble but I built it, your comments are rather condescending and aggressive but I appreciate the feedback. Nah, dust is not a issue, my pc just gets too hot running the game and I am using 2 fans, a water cooler and the standard fan for the case I am using.
I have a AMD Ryzen 3 Pro 4350 CPU and have 16Gb of DDR4 RAM. I just think this port consumes far too much GPU considering its a PS2 port remaster so was wondering if there were updates that optimized it further cause FF13 runs fine and I daresay this game rivals FF15 which has more stunning visuals and graphical demands.

Love the game and had the original on PS2, just ♥♥♥♥ port in my opinion.

[SaltyStrawberry777]

Originally posted by neonsquare:

Ambient occlusion in this game is a real resource hog. Did you try setting that to half?

Imma try this and see how much of a difference this makes, thanks

[Casurin]

Originally posted by SaltyStrawberry777:

sorry to burst your bubble but I built it, your comments are rather condescending and aggressive but I appreciate the feedback.

You were not able to provide information about the PC or what is happening - so it is only natural to assume it is not you who built it.

Originally posted by SaltyStrawberry777:

Nah, dust is not a issue, my pc just gets too hot running the game and I am using 2 fans, a water cooler and the standard fan for the case I am using.

Again - no actual info - WHAT is too hot according to you? How do you measure that?

Originally posted by SaltyStrawberry777:

I have a AMD Ryzen 3 Pro 4350 CPU and have 16Gb of DDR4 RAM.

Now that is important info - are you sure the game is actually running on your graphic card?
The R3 4350G has an integrated GPU that, while rather good, is still not as capable as the R9 390X you have said you have.

[Hinnyuu]

I used to have an R390 back in the day, and it was running this.

It also ran hotter than the sun, and not just on this game. I think it's just that card. Maybe one of its parents was a space heater or something.

[Z2k1]

AO's the real resource hog based on my personal testing.

On my ancient laptop with a 3gb GTX 870m (roughly a GTX 660 in desktop terms), I could get 50-60 FPS on 1080p and maxed everything if I lowered AO to half, MSAA to off (FXAA only) and shadows to medium.

The way I see it, it's a PS2 game (which didn't even have AO or anti-aliasing) so there's an upper limit to how pretty it would look anyway. So assuming you keep your expectations within reason the game is actually not as demanding as its minimum specs indicate.

[SaltyStrawberry777]

Originally posted by Z2k1:

AO's the real resource hog based on my personal testing.

On my ancient laptop with a 3gb GTX 870m (roughly a GTX 660 in desktop terms), I could get 50-60 FPS on 1080p and maxed everything if I lowered AO to half, MSAA to off (FXAA only) and shadows to medium.

The way I see it, it's a PS2 game (which didn't even have AO or anti-aliasing) so there's an upper limit to how pretty it would look anyway. So assuming you keep your expectations within reason the game is actually not as demanding as its minimum specs indicate.

So I will redownload the game and test this, if this works, I will be VERY VERY happy as I can continue my playthrough

[Scheneighnay]

Because Square Enix can't optimize for PC to save their lives.

[Dolores de Beauvoir]

There are some graphics settings in the game that imo are just overshooting for little graphics gain while tanking the game's performance, like full res AO and MSAA. Turn them off and suddenly a potato can run 60fps again, at least according to my experience running it on an MX450 mobile GPU.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Dolores de Beauvoir:

There are some graphics settings in the game that imo are just overshooting for little graphics gain while tanking the game's performance, like full res AO and MSAA. Turn them off and suddenly a potato can run 60fps again, at least according to my experience running it on an MX450 mobile GPU.

Generally good advice for any game.

A lot of "real world" benchmarks underrepresent cards because they always use overkill settings. Benchmarks say that my 1650 Super can't handle 1440p, but playing with settings say it can in any game.

[Korana Noth]

The graphical recommendations are way overestimated. I play on an i5-2500k and gtx 970 with the graphics turned all the way up.

If you're getting poor performance, try disabling ambient occlusion and/or msaa.

Have you tried reseating your heatsink with fresh thermal compound?