So Ultima....

[The High Seraph]

Ok please don’t judge my profile pic cos I love her so much !

Everyone already discuss about gameplay wise so skip it ! “ Yea she is useless .. heavily farmed 3 party is better blah blah blah ... :/ “

Let’s discuss about her lore !

In lore wise , she is so proud of he status and rebel against the gods , defeated and imprisoned ! Did she actually free when I get her ?

Skipping summon cutscene in TZA is fine but for Ultima ... do u guys noticed her words during summon cutscene in original and IJZS version ? I just didn’t understand what she said .

I’ve already tested , she can solo story final boss according to gameplay ! What about lore wise ? God vs the high seraph is interesting.

[arenaynieve]

I know this has nothing to do with Ultima but

Whats wrong with Adramelech anyways lol? He´s the ugliest dragon (if you can call it that way) in the entire franchise. He looks more like a winged satyr or a flying goat! I miss old good bahamut epicness. The version in FFXIII doesnt make any justice to bahamut either.

[Hinnyuu]

I'm not sure why you're calling Adrammelech a dragon. Espers aren't dragons. Like, in no way whatsoever.

Anyway, Adrammelech is actually a fairly well-known figure, being an actual ancient Semitic god from Sumeria. Later it was co-opted as a demon in Judeo-Christian mysticism, which is where the appearance comes from: human body with a mule's head, mule's limbs, and peacock's tail.

FF borrows heavily from demonology, tons of enemies in the game are named after demons from the Clavicula Solomonis Regis for example. And there's also tons that are named after ancient Sumerian deities/spirits, too.

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by arenaynieve:

I know this has nothing to do with Ultima but

Whats wrong with Adramelech anyways lol? He´s the ugliest dragon (if you can call it that way) in the entire franchise. He looks more like a winged satyr or a flying goat! I miss old good bahamut epicness. The version in FFXIII doesnt make any justice to bahamut either.

is he a dragon ? lol i thought he was a goat

[Nito]

Well officially she is the strongest esper, on terms of potential Zodiark hands down lore wise

As said she led a rebelion with all espers but Zodiark aganist the Occuria as we don't know their number i believe they have the same number on both sides even counting Zodiark so...13 to each side....so i believe she could win on a 1x1 and with a high chance of victory aganist The Undying.(The espers probably lost because the writer wanted or the other espers were way weaker Matheus, Belias even Zalera are much weaker and even in-game Ultima fight is way harder than the whole Vayne fight)

And taking Gameplay as Base she wouldn't stand a chance as the gods themselves united to sealed the Hell Wyrm and if you take all the Espers 1 by 1 or together the Hell Wyrm would still kick their ass....as much as i love Zalera used as my nick for many years the espers kinda suck(except Ultima and Zodiark) the team even gets weaker summoning one as the summoner gets raped and the summon says goodbye...

[Arkhne]

Originally posted by Nito:

the team even gets weaker summoning one as the summoner gets raped and the summon says goodbye...

I always believed that the Summon should've replaced the Summoner, not the other two. However, that could've led to rediculous battles of 3x Esper vs Bosses, and the PS2 sure as hell couldn't have handled that.

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Nito:

Well officially she is the strongest esper, on terms of potential Zodiark hands down lore wise

As said she led a rebelion with all espers but Zodiark aganist the Occuria as we don't know their number i believe they have the same number on both sides even counting Zodiark so...13 to each side....so i believe she could win on a 1x1 and with a high chance of victory aganist The Undying.(The espers probably lost because the writer wanted or the other espers were way weaker Matheus, Belias even Zalera are much weaker and even in-game Ultima fight is way harder than the whole Vayne fight)

And taking Gameplay as Base she wouldn't stand a chance as the gods themselves united to sealed the Hell Wyrm and if you take all the Espers 1 by 1 or together the Hell Wyrm would still kick their ass....as much as i love Zalera used as my nick for many years the espers kinda suck(except Ultima and Zodiark) the team even gets weaker summoning one as the summoner gets raped and the summon says goodbye...

Agree with your points ! At least they buff espers in TZA version and Ultima is now very legit summon to power level up her summoner because she is tanky as ♥♥♥♥ ( 30000+ health at level 50 ) and holy damage type .

[Nito]

Originally posted by Warchild:

I always believed that the Summon should've replaced the Summoner, not the other two. However, that could've led to rediculous battles of 3x Esper vs Bosses, and the PS2 sure as hell couldn't have handled that.

Truth be told i think the summon should replace all the team members and the hp should be the sum of all characters + the esper hp(bubble not include) since insta kill attacks can't be stopped on any way by the team members not even ribbon

[Nito]

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Agree with your points ! At least they buff espers in TZA version and Ultima is now very legit summon to power level up her summoner because she is tanky as ♥♥♥♥ ( 30000+ health at level 50 ) and holy damage type .

Holy type is kinda meh but 30.000 hp doesn't mean ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ even more aganist super bosses if the boss hits from 2.000 to 3.000 the summon is useless i much rather use wither on the boss and make it hit 54 damge instead of 3.000

[Arkhne]

Originally posted by Nito:

Originally posted by Warchild:

I always believed that the Summon should've replaced the Summoner, not the other two. However, that could've led to rediculous battles of 3x Esper vs Bosses, and the PS2 sure as hell couldn't have handled that.

Truth be told i think the summon should replace all the team members and the hp should be the sum of all characters + the esper hp(bubble not include) since insta kill attacks can't be stopped on any way by the team members not even ribbon

So you prefer the FFX style of summon? There's a reason why that system is only used to meatshield. Which, admittedly, is more use than the FF12 system of only using Belias to open the Gigas Gate.

[Nito]

Originally posted by Warchild:

So you prefer the FFX style of summon? There's a reason why that system is only used to meatshield. Which, admittedly, is more use than the FF12 system of only using Belias to open the Gigas Gate.

My true preference is the FFXV summon they really feel "godlike" how a summon was supposed to feel a massive power that could destroy cities on the other side the whole call a summon and other and other and other of FFX is stupid FFXII should have the 1 summon for the team that uses 3 mist bars with first tier summons, 6 with second tier summons and 9 bars with third tier summons, and it only fills/refills with combat time if you kill every enemy and no other appear it empties

because even though on FFX the summons could be used as a meat shield the summons on FFXII only use is to clear mobs

[Daedalus007]

For a minute I thought you were talking about Ultima Weapon. ^_^
Ultima is pretty cool and used to be one of the toughest boss fights in Mobius (Paladin required to tank it!) before power creep messed it all up. RIP.

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Nito:

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Agree with your points ! At least they buff espers in TZA version and Ultima is now very legit summon to power level up her summoner because she is tanky as ♥♥♥♥ ( 30000+ health at level 50 ) and holy damage type .

Holy type is kinda meh but 30.000 hp doesn't mean ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ even more aganist super bosses if the boss hits from 2.000 to 3.000 the summon is useless i much rather use wither on the boss and make it hit 54 damge instead of 3.000

Yea yea she is not good againts superbosses . I mean she still can level up her summoner very quickly by destroying endgame dungeons enemies . Most late game enemies are weak to Holy .

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Daedalus007:

For a minute I thought you were talking about Ultima Weapon. ^_^
Ultima is pretty cool and used to be one of the toughest boss fights in Mobius (Paladin required to tank it!) before power creep messed it all up. RIP.

Yea she is so beautiful 😍