Has anyone successfully done the Reks RNG manipulation for the Seitengrat?

[Landon]

If you want to know what I'm talking about, here's a good video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcD5EjCG_8&t=683s&ab_channel=FuzzfingerGaming

I've been trying it for about 35-45 minutes now but haven't been able to get the numbers (88-97-90) out of the curing method, wanted to see if anyone was able to do it.

[Evilnapkin]

If you play at 60fps it might break it. I don't know because I can't be bothered with this exploit.

[kwiedes]

I've tried my self and couldn't get it either. I'll try without 60fps.

[🌴Dib's UK ™🌴]

I gave it a go for about an hour and no joy.

[kwiedes]

No dice even at 30fps as of now.

[kwiedes]

Still have yet to do it. Using Cure list as well, the pc version puts you so high in the list after a few spells it crashes the program entirely.
The alg. Is certainly different compared to ps2/ ps4.

[Dex]

Interesting video, but I'm not sure why you would want to break the game by giving yourself an op weapon that early.

[kwiedes]

Originally posted by Dex:

Interesting video, but I'm not sure why you would want to break the game by giving yourself an op weapon that early.

Speed Running, relative ease?
There is no reason on why one would need a OP weapon. if he or she wants it they can have it. It's a nice toy to play around with.

[Sem_Nome 名前のない怪物]

doesn't work on pc ver at all ! there is some new sequence peopl still didn't find out probably, but these numbers you wont get on pc i guess

[Ainselfee]

I had the numbers 88-97-90 one time (60fps), but stupid me was on the wrong air ship. *facepalm*
Since then no of the known numbers again (also no 97-94-95). ),=
So the numbers at least are able to come at PC - but no idea if the chest will spawn. I'll give it some more tries.

Update: now I finally got the numbers 97-94-95 - but there is not even the chest. Bah! -___-

[kwiedes]

Originally posted by ainselfee:

I had the numbers 88-97-90 one time (60fps), but stupid me was on the wrong air ship. *facepalm*
Since then no of the known numbers again (also no 97-94-95). ),=
So the numbers at least are able to come at PC - but no idea if the chest will spawn. I'll give it some more tries.

Update: now I finally got the numbers 97-94-95 - but there is not even the chest. Bah! -___-

Read on reddit a user got Seitengrate sequence twice in two hours but no chest.

[Chubby Cox]

I would bet it was fixed for the port. A lot of this type of exploit gets fixed when SE ports to PC or other platforms.

[🦄 lainverse]

I highly doubt that it was "fixed". I'd say it wasn't ported in the first place. Who in his right mind would port inferior random number generator from PS2 to PC after all? Except for emulation purposes, obviously. So, I think RNG manipulation wasn't fixed. They might just have used actual RNG instead of hardcoded sequence in the game. As I know that's the reason why you actually can predict numbers on PS2/PS4. They are using pre-baked list of random numbers there as I know. If they used actual RNG on the PC then manipulation is almost impossible.

There are hundreds of other background processes on the PC and they are using RNG too from time to time. So, even if you make a program which will figure out current seed and predict following sequence of random numbers there is a good chance that some other process (including Windows own processes) will call RNG and take a few numbers out of your sequence every now and then... including the ones you need. Or RNG will switch to another seed considering current one overused. And that will work only with specific RNG and won't work on other models. And that in case your program will actually be able to predict random numbers at all since some generators are hardware-based and unpredictable by design. Not sure how popular are they, though.

And since you'll need a separate software to predict RNG output then you can use some other software to just give yourself that bow by either memory or savegame edit. -_-

[Davoodinator]

Originally posted by 🦄 lainverse:

I highly doubt that it was "fixed". I'd say it wasn't ported in the first place. Who in his right mind would port inferior random number generator from PS2 to PC after all? Except for emulation purposes, obviously. So, I think RNG manipulation wasn't fixed. They might just have used actual RNG instead of hardcoded sequence in the game. As I know that's the reason why you actually can predict numbers on PS2/PS4. They are using pre-baked list of random numbers there as I know. If they used actual RNG on the PC then manipulation is almost impossible.

There are hundreds of other background processes on the PC and they are using RNG too from time to time. So, even if you make a program which will figure out current seed and predict following sequence of random numbers there is a good chance that some other process (including Windows own processes) will call RNG and take a few numbers out of your sequence every now and then... including the ones you need. Or RNG will switch to another seed considering current one overused. And that will work only with specific RNG and won't work on other models. And that in case your program will actually be able to predict random numbers at all since some generators are hardware-based and unpredictable by design. Not sure how popular are they, though.

And since you'll need a separate software to predict RNG output then you can use some other software to just give yourself that bow by either memory or savegame edit. -_-

and the people capable of this will just balk and say "use cheat engine" meanwhile those of us who want 6 seitengrates and want them to drop from a chest using ingame RNG and also want to pretend we arent cheating are left holding hte bag of hjope : (

[🦄 lainverse]

Well, the first thing to check is: does it reset to specific sequence when you load a new game save as on PS4. If there is predictable sequence every time then it will be possible to pick specific spot on it and the game uses pre-baked list of random numbers hardcoded in the game since reloading a savegame can't affect actual RNG on your PC. You'll have to write down a few hundreds of numbers generated by Cure, though, and reload that savegame a few times in between. If there is a pattern then there is a way.

BTW, there is a tool to generate PS2/PS4 "random" numbers for FFXII. You may want to compare it against PC version.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasyXII/comments/6o31d6/ff12_rng_helper_updated_zodiac_age_rng_now/

[Breath of the Dying]

I got the 88-97-90, no box to spawn though so it looks like it doesn't work on PC.