FINAL FANTASY XII THE ZODIAC AGE

FINAL FANTASY XII THE ZODIAC AGE

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Xhal Feb 2, 2018 @ 9:39am
Job combos discussion
My planned combos :

Vaan- shikari/foebreaker
Basch- knight/buschi
Balthier- havent decided but probably another shikari/foebreaker
Ashe black mage/red mage
Penelo white mage/knight
Fran time mage/monk

This my first time playing this game. Any experienced players have an opinion on this?
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kwiedes Feb 2, 2018 @ 10:25am 
If youre not playing NG-
Some things to note if you want perfect round ups.


Here are the stats LEVEL 99.
---------------STR-MGK-VIT-SPD
VAAN = 78 / 73 / 61 / 37
BASCH = 78 / 63 / 47 / 35
PANELO = 70 / 76 / 60 / 36
ASHE = 73 / 78 / 57 / 36
FRAN = 71 / 68 / 62 / 36
BALTHIER = 75 / 63 / 58 / 38

Ashe has the highest MGK at 99 being 78. With Vaan and Penlo having the the second and third place.
Fran has the highest VIT.
Balthier has the highest SPD and a good STR.
Basch and Vaan have the highest STR.

So I would loosely base your decisions on this along with their innate abilities.

Unless you really want to have a full team of every job i would consider breaking them into squads of 3. or breaking them into Squads of two with one perma White Mage ( this is how I usually play with Panelo my white mage. )

Just keep in mind if you decide to do the second method panelo will usually be about 10+ levels higher than everyone else.

for my job comination if using two man teams and not NG- i would use something like this

Panelo - White Mage / Time Battlemag (Or monk) = Main Healer.

T1. Vaan - Knight / Black Mage. = DPS
Fran - Shikari / FoeBreaker = Tank / Item Buffs

T2. Basch - Archer / Time Battle Mage / Monk = DPS/Buffs ( TBM can give access to heavy armors which makes a long range archer good incase they become to target by accident. TBM also has 9 battle lores which will only add to your damage. Monk has 16 battle lores but cannot wear heavy armor if you pair Archer and monk )

Balthier - Uhlan / Red Battlemage. = DPS or Tank.( Given access to some of the better shields he can become a decent tank though he will not have as high of an EV as Shikari / Foe.)

Now Ashe is a special case if you use my Team of Two strategy. Her best job is Bushi thanks to her decent STR and MGK. Bushi dealing elemental damage on almos tall top tier katanas can also hender you. For that sake I always recommend putting her as a DPS/Healer or DPS/Tank as in some fights she can become virtually useless or the one that deals the most damage. Unless you have the weapon variety to counter the elemental weaknesses and strs.
Though keep in mind Ashe can literally fill almost any job quite well.

Ashe - Bushi / Black Mage = DPS( Over comes elemental Weakness that using primarily katanas add. )
Ashe - Bushi / Red Mage = Medium Tank (Will give access to Shields but with no heavy armor and decent spells )

though as I said Ashe can really go great anywhere.
Switch her out as needed.



Last edited by kwiedes; Feb 2, 2018 @ 10:26am
Warlink Feb 2, 2018 @ 12:03pm 
Shikari/Foebreaker- back when the double class system was announced, this particular job combo was theorycrafted to be top tier. Once the game came out, however, it was discovered that the genji glove (an accessory that boosts combo rate, ideal for high combo weapons such as ninja blades, poles, and katanas) does not work as intended with ninjablades. As such, the germinas boots + black robes out dps this job combo. Basically, if you plan to have your Shikari output top tier dark elemental dps, plan to pair the job with one that provides mystic armor to get access to black robes (white mage, black mage, or red battlemage)

Knight/Bushi- a top tier pairing. Each covers the other's weakness. The Knight only gets swiftness 1, which makes it a slow attacking class, but the Bushi provides all 3 swiftness, which eliminates that weakness. The Bushi also boosts magic stat which makes the Knight's few healing spells more potent. Generally, the Knight wants a class that provides mystic armor to gain access to the white robes in order to boost holy damage. When combined with excalibur, the holy element dps far surpasses any other greatswords in the game. In the offchance that your enemy resists holy, you can still use katanas + genji gloves for respectable dps as well. Do note that the best katana is, oddly enough, equipped as a 1 hand sword, meaning you can use a shield with it and it uses the attack animations of a 1 handed sword. This little tidbit made me decide to put Vaan as my Knight/Bushi, since he has the fastest 2 hand sword animation, and a fast 1 hand sword animation, but an average katana animation.

BlackMage/RedBattlemage- can be decent, though a bit redundant. Lots of wasted magick lores, since Black Mages get all 16 for free. The most notable thing about this pair is the Ardor+Flame staff combo. Flame staff boosts all fire elemental damage, while Ardor (a red battlemage exclusive spell), is a spell with the highest base damage in the game. These two combined makes for a very deadly burst of damage assuming the enemy doesnt resist fire or oil. In my opinion, RedBatllemage/Archer is a bit better because: the Flame bow does the same thing as the Flame staff in addition to having better regular attacks when equipped with flame arrow ammo, archer also can have esper access to heavy armor which makes a physical build viable in case you don't want to use magic.

Monk- monks have all hp nodes and all 16 battle nodes, which makes them extremely potent physical damage dealers and tanks. In addition, with proper esper set ups, they can use some top tier white magic spells to take on buffing/back-up healing duties as well. Generally because of this, they are popularly paired with Black Mages. I've tried this combo before, but it's somewhat limiting in the fact that the character just ends up being a bulky black mage with some white magic spells. You hardly use the physical attacks since white robe + holy spell does more than non-genji glove boosted regular attack combos. If you want Monks to do physical dps, then make sure you pair them with a class that has access to genji gloves (knights, bushi, foebreakers)

TimeBattlemage- this job's a bit underwhelming. Heavy armor is very desirable to classes that do physical damage but only has access to light/mystic (archer, shikari, bushi, monk). No genji equipment though, which is a shame. Crossbows are okay as weapons, though with spears and poles now being able to hit flying enemies, the range utility isn't as pressing compared to the original XII. The one item this class is known for is access to Hastega without needing an esper. Hastega is a great buff, but has extremely limited access. In my opinion, the spell itself is worth it despite how mediocre this class is at everything else. Although if you still have misgivings about this class but still want Hastega, then perhaps you might consider....

Machinist- the other Hastega user. The spell is locked behind an esper, so plan ahead for you esper distribution. Machinists' main selling points are: access to all three swiftness nodes (so pair them with slower classes), guns do set damage (so stats don't matter), and of course Hastega. This class also top tier in weak mode runs due to levels being locked to default, and many of the passive situational nodes will boost gun damage considerably. However, a common pairing for this class is the White Mage. Reasons being that with White Mage, you have access to all buffs in the game in addition to all healing spells. This makes them pretty valuable, but in my experience, it puts a huge strain on the character's mp pool. It delegates a lot of tasks/roles onto one character, which depending on your party set up, can be too much for one character alone. I always need to have a back up healer take the main healing duties while together with my WM/Mach to lessen her work load. This combo is extremely versatile in utility roles, but please make sure they have some back up because no one person can do all this class' tasks at once. In terms of dps, its also not bad. In addition to the aformention set gun damage, you can boosted with black robe+dark shot. Makes them valuable dps against yizamat, but that requires you to have someone else take on duties from your WM/Mach so he/she can have downtime to dps.

Uhlan- nothing noteworthy. Zodiac spear isnt bad, but simply overshadowed by element boosting/genji glove combos. Heavy armor is already pretty abundant, and this class doesn't even provide genji license. It has decent HP and battle lores, but nothing too special. Most likely going to just auto attack unless given some utility from the secondary class (time mage or machinist are tempting options). Otherwise, a very low utility class with dps overshadowed by better options.
Last edited by Warlink; Feb 2, 2018 @ 12:50pm
forsakenforester Feb 2, 2018 @ 12:45pm 
Some good guides:
https://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age/313334-final-fantasy-xii-zodiac-age-trophy-guide-roadmap.html

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/191202-final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age/75477310

I am thinking this:

Vaan - Shikari/Foebreaker
Penolo - White Mage/Time Battlemage
Fran - Archer/Red Battlemage
Balthier - Machinist/Uhlan
Ashe - Black Mage/Monk
Basch - Knight/Bushi

I wanted each job once.

I wanted Penelo to be dedicated healer/support & Ashe the mage. Might have Ashe go Black/Red mage.
Bash & Vaan for tank/damage
Fran for damage/support
Balthier I just didnt know what to have :D

Decent teams?
kwiedes Feb 2, 2018 @ 12:56pm 
Originally posted by Erasus90:
Some good guides:
https://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age/313334-final-fantasy-xii-zodiac-age-trophy-guide-roadmap.html

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/191202-final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age/75477310

I am thinking this:

Vaan - Shikari/Foebreaker
Penolo - White Mage/Time Battlemage
Fran - Archer/Red Battlemage
Balthier - Machinist/Uhlan
Ashe - Black Mage/Monk
Basch - Knight/Bushi

I wanted each job once.

I wanted Penelo to be dedicated healer/support & Ashe the mage. Might have Ashe go Black/Red mage.
Bash & Vaan for tank/damage
Fran for damage/support
Balthier I just didnt know what to have :D

Decent teams?

Switch balthier around and give someone else Machinist. Balthier has an animation delay with all range weapons. ( Doesnt matter much in Normal game) but if it will bother you then switch him. Unless you plan to use Uhlan for Dps.

Bushi is scaled with MGK give it to Ashe, Vaan or Panelo. Ashe is best because she has the highest innate magic.

Though obviously non of this will matter if your characters reach 99 as you can virtiually max out all of their stats with gear.

As the user above you stated about comboing with ninja blades is borked - you can switch foebreaker to something else. I recommend to have a foebreaker for the heavy armor and high EV that shikari gives. Which would make it an Evasive Tank. You would need the Demon Shield or Zodiac Shield. It can be done with Ensanguined but you get negative buffs.

If you dont want the Zodiac Shield or heavy armor than you do not need FoeBreaker for Shikari ( Shikari gets access to Demon shield). Which would leave you open to do the above method by Warlink. If you want to keep the Zodiac Shield unlock + do his method you need red mage.
Warlink Feb 2, 2018 @ 12:57pm 
Originally posted by Erasus90:
Some good guides:
https://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age/313334-final-fantasy-xii-zodiac-age-trophy-guide-roadmap.html

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/191202-final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age/75477310

I am thinking this:

Vaan - Shikari/Foebreaker
Penolo - White Mage/Time Battlemage
Fran - Archer/Red Battlemage
Balthier - Machinist/Uhlan
Ashe - Black Mage/Monk
Basch - Knight/Bushi

I wanted each job once.

I wanted Penelo to be dedicated healer/support & Ashe the mage. Might have Ashe go Black/Red mage.
Bash & Vaan for tank/damage
Fran for damage/support
Balthier I just didnt know what to have :D

Decent teams?
I'd pair WM/MAC and UHL/TBM. WM with hastega is super useful, but I prefer it coming from MAC b/c they want mystic armor so they can have black robes boosting dark damage using dark shot ammo. It's probably better dps compared to MAC being paired with UHL, since stats from heavy armor don't matter to guns since guns do set damage. UHL is just a class with very little utility at all, so better to stick TBM on it to give it some utility in the form of hastega.

Also I'd switch off SHI/FOE. It was discovered that genji gloves don't boost ninja blade's dps as much as putting on a black robe+germinas boots. It's still not bad, but it would be a waste of a genji license when another class like Monk or Bushi could use it more.
Inssengrimm Feb 2, 2018 @ 1:06pm 
Any link to the info the SHI/FOE and the genji gloves?
Chaos Residue Feb 2, 2018 @ 1:09pm 
Vaan - Shikari/Foebreaker
Balthier - Machinist/Uhlan
Fran - Archer/Monk
Basch - Knight/Bushi
Ashe - White Mage/Time Battlemage
Penelo - Black Mage/Red Battlemage
Warlink Feb 2, 2018 @ 1:22pm 
Originally posted by Alexander Dragonfang:
Any link to the info the SHI/FOE and the genji gloves?
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasyXII/comments/7ucjb4/another_party_composition_thread/dtktwvr/

I should've reworded my earlier post, because it's not that genji gloves don't work with ninja blades from what I understand, but rather germinas boots out dps the gloves
Last edited by Warlink; Feb 2, 2018 @ 1:25pm
Inssengrimm Feb 2, 2018 @ 1:28pm 
Originally posted by Warlink:
Originally posted by Alexander Dragonfang:
Any link to the info the SHI/FOE and the genji gloves?
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasyXII/comments/7ucjb4/another_party_composition_thread/dtktwvr/

I see. Technically this is ideal if you are abusing ninja blades against Yiaztmat tho. Were i be running SHI/FOE outside that setting, where i don't use black robes (or facing most of the dark resistant enemies in the late game) probably Genji is still a safe solid pick.

I guess ill stick to SHI/FOE. But thanks, very valuable info.
kwiedes Feb 2, 2018 @ 1:50pm 
Originally posted by Warlink:
Originally posted by Alexander Dragonfang:
Any link to the info the SHI/FOE and the genji gloves?
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasyXII/comments/7ucjb4/another_party_composition_thread/dtktwvr/
I'll add to why it works better.

because we are giving off the vibe that they are "broken" I guess in a sense they are when it comes to this job.

Genji Glove = Combo rate * 1.8%. So.
mesa = 32% * 1.8% = .00576
32/100 = .32 * 1.8/100 = .018 = .00576.
or you can do 32*1.8 = 57.6 and if you / 100 twice you get the same answer in decimal.

Ninja swords
DMG = [ATK * RND(1 through1.125)] - DEF] * [1 + STR *(LVL +SPD)/128]
you can see where the calculation of speed can affect.

Inssengrimm Feb 2, 2018 @ 2:02pm 
Then, is just not the ideal setting but is still a considerably good alternative. Cosidering my party composition.

Vaan: Shikari/Foereaker
Penelo: Monk/Black Mage
Balthier: White Mage/Machinist
Fran: Archer/Red Mage
Basch: Knight/Samurai
Ashe: Uhlan/Time Mage

Im trying to come up with something competent and "lore friendly" while i use all 12 jobs. A mission kinda impossible right now.

In this composition i feel like im absolutely losing Balthier as he has low MAG and Guns ignore stats, not to mention he actually has a slow animation with guns...
Viperveteran Feb 2, 2018 @ 2:16pm 
My proposed team

Team 1
Vaan - Bushi/Knight
Fran - Archer/Black Mage
Penelo - Shikari/White Mage

Team 2
Basch - Foebreaker/Uhlan
Balthier - Machinist/Monk
Ash - Red/Time Mage

Obviously they wont always be seperated into neat teams but there is enough diversity between the two teams and the licenses that would allow me to mix and match the squads pretty well.
Last edited by Viperveteran; Feb 2, 2018 @ 2:17pm
kwiedes Feb 2, 2018 @ 2:22pm 
Originally posted by Alexander Dragonfang:
Then, is just not the ideal setting but is still a considerably good alternative. Cosidering my party composition.

Vaan: Shikari/Foereaker
Penelo: Monk/Black Mage
Balthier: White Mage/Machinist
Fran: Archer/Red Mage
Basch: Knight/Samurai
Ashe: Uhlan/Time Mage

Im trying to come up with something competent and "lore friendly" while i use all 12 jobs. A mission kinda impossible right now.

In this composition i feel like im absolutely losing Balthier as he has low MAG and Guns ignore stats, not to mention he actually has a slow animation with guns...

switch balthier to Uhlan. Give ashe Red Mage or Bushi. Both scale with Magic better than giving it to Basch and go better with their innate abilities in terms of lore.
LostAngel1000 Feb 2, 2018 @ 2:53pm 
What about TBM and Knight? This combo have any postives or harsh downsides as a potental?
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