Denuvo = no buy

[thainen]

I've been waiting for years to play this game. I was happy to see it finally making it to Steam, and was ready to pay whatever price.
However, no matter how good the game is, it's not worth infesting your PC with malware. Denuvo is a dealbreaker. I'm making a new topic to say it, because I want the publishers to hear it. You're not hurting the pirates -- they will crack it in a couple of weeks anyway. You're driving away customers.

[Brian9824]

Eisberg の投稿を引用：

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

That happens regardless of Denuvo or not. I've never had Denuvo servers go down myself. Friend did once and he just launched game in offline mode and had no issue. They were back up in an hour or two.



Actually its pretty much undisputed that anything can be cracked. It's just a matter of how much time it takes. The thing though is the first week of sales can be around ~25% of TOTAL game sales over its life. So delaying the crack for months is a major thing.

Except in a study done by the EU, it was found that there was no indication that piracy actually decreases sales, and in the case of video games piracy might actually increase sales. So using something like Denuvo might actually be decreasing sales during that important time frame. If the pirates can pirate the game right away during the big hype, they might actually buy it.

https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf

Might want to read that study. It's well acknowledged to be complete garbage. Here are a few key points from it.

45-percent error margin
Their assumption also makes no sense

"This positive effect of illegal downloads and streams on the sales of games may be explained by the industry being successful in converting illegal users to paying users," the study authors write. Increased game sales may come from piracy as "players [get] hooked and then [pay] to play the game with extra bonuses or at extra levels," they continue.

last time i checked if you got hooked on a cracked copy of FFXII your not going to buy the game and then all of a sudden get a bunch of bonuses or extra levels.........

[WolfEisberg]

Rapture Jesus の投稿を引用：

Eisberg の投稿を引用：

It is anti-consumer because there is no reasonable assumption to make that Denuvo will always be around and will always be supported. So it turns the game into a rental. It is also anti-consumer because at no point should any consumer be prevented to use what they paid for just because they don't have internet.

You want to be a shill and take it up the rear end by the corporations, that is your own stupidity, everyone else who is smarter than that will see what what Denuvo is for what it really is.

If you're in the digital distribution era, you should know that no service is guaranteed. So if you're worried about denuvo, you should be worried about any digital game platform too.

Which is why any game that uses DRM of any sorts I only pay 25% of the release price, which I feel is appropriate for a Rental. Since 2015, I have only bought full price games from GoG. (Yes this game is an exception as I have stated even before this game released because my wife is a huge FF fangirl, but I did get the game for 60% of the price from Greenman gaming)

[MancSoulja]

Eisberg の投稿を引用：

Seraphna の投稿を引用：

It actually doesn’t do anything you just said, even remotely.

What you are saying is a bold face lie or you are wholey ignorant about the facts.

Denuvo requires authentication on Denuvo servers. If there are no servers then any denuvo game will become unplayable.

Denuvo requires a random online check, if it wants that check and you have no internet, then Denuvo will prevent you from playing the game. Going in offline mode will not help, as soon as Denuvo wants it, you have to give it what it wants, otherwise you are locked out of your game.

Denuvo DOES NOT require random online checks. Denuvo CAN be set up by the developer so it only has to auth once, just like all Steam games. if Denuvo does require random online checks, that's because the developer has chosen to impliment that.

[Hakuso]

Big Moist I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com の投稿を引用：

Lawl yeah, they use Steam and cry about Denuvo, hypocrit much?

Been back on Steam for seven years now, a decade ago Valve hadn't worked out offline play and I was getting locked out, but they're not some fly-by-night scammers like DSS and stuck with it to fix the user experience rather than treating users as enemy combatants and then turning tail and running to a new contient when they've so utterly failed that nobody will buy their garbage anymore.

I don't like DRM at all, which is why GOG is where most of my games are, but Steam works reliably both offline and on so I can grudgingly accept it.

[MagnificentRoast]

Waldschatten の投稿を引用：

Big Moist I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com の投稿を引用：

Lawl yeah, they use Steam and cry about Denuvo, hypocrit much?

Been back on Steam for seven years now, a decade ago Valve hadn't worked out offline play and I was getting locked out, but they're not some fly-by-night scammers like DSS and stuck with it to fix the user experience rather than treating users as enemy combatants and then turning tail and running to a new contient when they've so utterly failed that nobody will buy their garbage anymore.

I don't like DRM at all, which is why GOG is where most of my games are, but Steam works reliably both offline and on so I can grudgingly accept it.

Until the servers at gog shut down and you lose your games there too. Every digital distribution service has that risk, but it's up to the user to spin the wheel and hope that doesn't happen anytime soon.

[Gameo]

This guy. lol..

http://i.imgur.com/4sa1Ln6.jpg

Gonna argue with that too?

[MagnificentRoast]

Ryu Hayabusa の投稿を引用：

This guy. lol..

http://i.imgur.com/4sa1Ln6.jpg

It's cute that you think valve would host all game files until the end of time.

[MancSoulja]

Ryu Hayabusa の投稿を引用：

This guy. lol..

http://i.imgur.com/4sa1Ln6.jpg

Access to and ability to download are two different things, What happens when your hard disc dies? All your games are gone.

[Gameo]

It's cute you seemingly don't have spare drive space to keep all your game downloaded.
Your problem, no one else

[WolfEisberg]

MancSoulja の投稿を引用：

Eisberg の投稿を引用：

What you are saying is a bold face lie or you are wholey ignorant about the facts.

Denuvo requires authentication on Denuvo servers. If there are no servers then any denuvo game will become unplayable.

Denuvo requires a random online check, if it wants that check and you have no internet, then Denuvo will prevent you from playing the game. Going in offline mode will not help, as soon as Denuvo wants it, you have to give it what it wants, otherwise you are locked out of your game.

Denuvo DOES NOT require random online checks. Denuvo CAN be set up by the developer so it only has to auth once, just like all Steam games. if Denuvo does require random online checks, that's because the developer has chosen to impliment that.

And I have not seen one Denuvo game that did not require random check.

[Gameo]

MancSoulja の投稿を引用：

Ryu Hayabusa の投稿を引用：

This guy. lol..

http://i.imgur.com/4sa1Ln6.jpg

Access to and ability to download are two different things, What happens when your hard disc dies? All your games are gone.

That I agree with, which is why I keep several backups of all my data on various drive.
Like any sensible PC user would

[MagnificentRoast]

Ryu Hayabusa の投稿を引用：

MancSoulja の投稿を引用：

Access to and ability to download are two different things, What happens when your hard disc dies? All your games are gone.

That I agree with, which is why I keep several backups of all my data on various drive.
Like any sensible PC user would

Hard drives die. Systems fail. Houses burn down. Backups mean nothing when you look at the passage of time.

[Hakuso]

Rapture Jesus の投稿を引用：

Waldschatten の投稿を引用：

Been back on Steam for seven years now, a decade ago Valve hadn't worked out offline play and I was getting locked out, but they're not some fly-by-night scammers like DSS and stuck with it to fix the user experience rather than treating users as enemy combatants and then turning tail and running to a new contient when they've so utterly failed that nobody will buy their garbage anymore.

I don't like DRM at all, which is why GOG is where most of my games are, but Steam works reliably both offline and on so I can grudgingly accept it.

Until the servers at gog shut down and you lose your games there too. Every digital distribution service has that risk, but it's up to the user to spin the wheel and hope that doesn't happen anytime soon.

I have backups on a RAID 10 array, with optical backups of those, and it's all verified manually each year to ensure that none of them have been corrupted and restore the ones that have been from one of the three copies present that remains intact.

So, no, my GOG library won't disappear because I manage it and maintain my own data thanks to the availability of their offline installers.

Same goes for the DRM-Free Humble Store titles, even though those tend to be several patches out of date from the Steam version, so I'll play here and retain those as backups in case there's ever an issue with my library here.

[Hakuso]

I have 48TB of hard drive space on my network, my GOG library takes up about 4TB of that, I think I could mirror all of my Steam games easily enough when I can install them all on a pair of 4TB drives.

[MagnificentRoast]

Waldschatten の投稿を引用：

Rapture Jesus の投稿を引用：

Until the servers at gog shut down and you lose your games there too. Every digital distribution service has that risk, but it's up to the user to spin the wheel and hope that doesn't happen anytime soon.

I have backups on a RAID 10 array, with optical backups of those, and it's all verified manually each year to ensure that none of them have been corrupted and restore the ones that have been from one of the three copies present that remains intact.

So, no, my GOG library won't disappear because I manage it and maintain my own data thanks to the availability of their offline installers.

Same goes for the DRM-Free Humble Store titles, even though those tend to be several patches out of date from the Steam version, so I'll play here and retain those as backups in case there's ever an issue with my library here.

Every backup solution will fail over time, raid 10 ensures that when one drive fails others work, but only because you hold raid 10 doesn't mean that it'll hold out forever, and dvds do fail over time.