Denuvo = no buy

[thainen]

I've been waiting for years to play this game. I was happy to see it finally making it to Steam, and was ready to pay whatever price.
However, no matter how good the game is, it's not worth infesting your PC with malware. Denuvo is a dealbreaker. I'm making a new topic to say it, because I want the publishers to hear it. You're not hurting the pirates -- they will crack it in a couple of weeks anyway. You're driving away customers.

[Chaos Residue]

Haters gonna hate.

[Aerith]

Escrito originalmente por thainen:

I've been waiting for years to play this game. I was happy to see it finally making it to Steam, and was ready to pay whatever price.
However, no matter how good the game is, it's not worth infesting your PC with malware. Denuvo is a dealbreaker. I'm making a new topic to say it, because I want the publishers to hear it. You're not hurting the pirates -- they will crack it in a couple of weeks anyway. You're driving away customers.

1 Cry
2 Cry more
3 Get a job
4 Buy game

[Redrusty66]

Escrito originalmente por Mass Defect:

Escrito originalmente por davidb11:

Honestly, I know that people think there are Denuvo shills, but that's just insane. Literally no one would do that. I mean, I know how crazy people are on the internet, but no company has that level of insanity. :)

Perhaps I will pick up this game sometime in the future.
Still cheaper than buying a PS4 and this game at least. :P

Wow. That statement is deeply rooted in ignorance of the internet age. There are vast numbers of people who work in PR/Marketing who do exactly that. All you have to do is get into the industry and you can get a job doing it too.

lol..that was funny, I iinstantly thought "very no internet knowledge person there" or "oh no a 12 year old"..lol "Shill" has been a bonifide profession for 100s' of years. The Internet has only widened that field of employment. Every snake oil salesman had at least one in the audience. Yes Denuvo has professional shills, the more something is hated the more shills are hired as a matter of fact. It's called "Counterpoint"..lmao The very idea of things like Denuvo would require by nature a huge number of shills from lowest to highest levels as the whole thing (cracked in 5 days usually) is an exercise in futility that punishes mostly the paying customer. There's not a rational underground user out there that cannot wait a week or 2 for a game they want.

It's also been fact-based rumored from leaks over the last few years, that Denuvo actually PAYS kickbacks to companies to use their product to offset the LOSS of sales they KNOW they'll have by using it. Why? Because they need to "be out there" in the gaming world, they think they can continue to "tweak" their system and while they do that they need to be in the field...hence they actual pay some games to use them, because any developer with an IQ over 12 KNOWS they will 1) be targeted instantly by the underground for cracking, since many of them consider it a competition amongst themselves to see who can crack a game first and how fast. and 2) they will suffer a huge number of lost sales from people who do not want that malware on their computers and be forced to PAY for it at that..lmao. Malware is usually something you're infected with, not something you intentionally pay for..lmao silly rabbits,

[MP]

So, basically, thanks to Denuvo this single-player game is unplayable offline.

Yeeeeeep. Taking a detour as well, thank you very much. I like playing games in my lodge without internet connection too much.

[Fear no evil]

Denuvo isn`t that bad compared to something like Xigncode or Nexonguard which are both pretty intrusive spyware.

[Doktor Mandrake]

Escrito originalmente por Will Scarlett:

Denuvo isn`t that bad compared to something like Xigncode or Nexonguard which are both pretty intrusive spyware.

At the same time, these companies really should remove denuvo from their games after all the initial sales have been made

But 9/10 times they will keep the software in, even once it no longer serves a purpose

[davidb11]

I'll be honest, I can't imagine that companies have shills that run amok like wildfire. :) There are exceptions to the rule, sure, but it's not a big thing, where a ton of them are all over the place.

I'm 35 years old.
I've been on the internet quite literally before Tim Bruners-Lee made the World Wide Web. Prodigy, anyone? :)
So, believe me, I've seen enough and know enough to not be rooted in igorance.

I'll trust people if they can give concrete evidence that Denuvo is terrible hot garbage, but until then, I'm going to trust the person way above who was friendly.
Eisberg was his name.
"Denuvo needs communication with Denuvo servers after installation and at random times. If no servers are available or you have no internet when it wants connection to Denuvo servers then you will not be able to play the game."

IF anyone can confirm that Denuvo is worse than that, feel free. But I would like concrete evidence.

There is just no valid reason to have shills. I mean, first, shills have to be paid to keep them loyal, and they can have so much dirt on you it's not even worth it to help you anymore. :)
Secondly, well, people's moral compass can switch, and greed ceases to be a motivator. :)

[Call Sign: Raven]

Escrito originalmente por davidb11:

I'll be honest, I can't imagine that companies have shills that run amok like wildfire. :) There are exceptions to the rule, sure, but it's not a big thing, where a ton of them are all over the place.

I'm 35 years old.
I've been on the internet quite literally before Tim Bruners-Lee made the World Wide Web. Prodigy, anyone? :)
So, believe me, I've seen enough and know enough to not be rooted in igorance.

I'll trust people if they can give concrete evidence that Denuvo is terrible hot garbage, but until then, I'm going to trust the person way above who was friendly.
Eisberg was his name.
"Denuvo needs communication with Denuvo servers after installation and at random times. If no servers are available or you have no internet when it wants connection to Denuvo servers then you will not be able to play the game."

IF anyone can confirm that Denuvo is worse than that, feel free. But I would like concrete evidence.

There is just no valid reason to have shills. I mean, first, shills have to be paid to keep them loyal, and they can have so much dirt on you it's not even worth it to help you anymore. :)
Secondly, well, people's moral compass can switch, and greed ceases to be a motivator. :)

Not being able to play the game is pretty much the worst thing, if you're interested in playing the game.

That alone is enough for me to avoid games that utiliize Denuvo, because I play offline a lot.

Here's something you might like that shows Denuvo does not impact performance, at least on Shadow of War. Side by side footage starts at 5:18. Mileage may vary from game to game, though. I've heard reports of other games having performance hits, though. You can research if you like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hGbBj_j0vQ

[davidb11]

Ah. Thank you!
I will check that video out too.

I'm glad to know there are nice people willing to explain things to me.

[Call Sign: Raven]

Denuvo is proof that developers have learned a valuable lesson.

In the early days of gaming, you buy the game and pay the developer just once, but can play the game for as long as your hardware survives deterioration. It's good for the consumer, but for the developer that leaves them with little options to grow as a business.

They either have to a) sell a lot of their stuff, or b) keep making new stuff.

Today, we have two more (at least) business options: Buy once but play for a limited time (Denuvo) or Buy once and keep paying for it, either through microtransactions, DLC, or subscriptions.

Denuvo is bad for consumers because eventually, when they shutdown their servers, you won't be able to play that game you put money into.

It's great for companies, because it boosts initial sales and deters crackers (though, FFXII is already available for download on various torrent sites, just without crack, yet) and it means that eventually, you'll have to pay for their next product because you can't hoard anymore like you could with cartridges.

Just my two cents!

[Call Sign: Raven]

Escrito originalmente por davidb11:

Ah. Thank you!
I will check that video out too.

I'm glad to know there are nice people willing to explain things to me.

I prefer conversation to bad mouthing. Forums are a breeding ground for toxic behavior. You can't change them, but I can change me, so I try to be nice!

[Inssengrimm]

Denuvo is bad, and it really goes against customers.

If the industry had better customer service in general (including their prices... Some of which are incredibly... well...) piracy wouldn't be an issue, or at least, wouldn't be as terrible. There will be always pirates and they will always sooner or later get over any safety measure.

Even then, some piracy is even good, im a South American gamer, and for years, my continent basically, was left out of the "gaming world" and the only way i had to enjoy games was thanks to piracy, it was so funny, our region is NTCS, but only spanish translated games were for europe spain, which is PAL, so yeah, lmao. For me piracy was more than justified, it was GOOD, and developed my love for games, now that those restrictions are "falling appart" -slowly tho- i can payback to the industry in a way.

If from the begining there were no stupid restrictions as IP blocks, region exclusive titles, platform restrictions, diferent time frame releases, obstructive, intrusive software in games, etc, piracy would surely stop being a problem, at least as the industry picture it is as right now.

[Big Chimpin]

I don't mind Denuvo when publishers remove it after the initial sales period. Some actually do that which is nice. The whole piracy argument is kind of moot though when you look at CD Projekt and the success of the Witcher games and their GOG platform as a whole. People will pirate a game no matter what so make the product worth buying. I also don't bellieve pirates would have purchased the game if they otherwise didn't have access to it. The whole 1 pirate = 1 lost sale is a fallacy.

[Nemo, Forevermore]

Escrito originalmente por Big Chimpin:

I don't mind Denuvo when publishers remove it after the initial sales period. Some actually do that which is nice. The whole piracy argument is kind of moot though when you look at CD Projekt and the success of the Witcher games and their GOG platform as a whole. People will pirate a game no matter what so make the product worth buying. I also don't bellieve pirates would have purchased the game if they otherwise didn't have access to it. The whole 1 pirate = 1 lost sale is a fallacy.

Agreed. I know people who use torrent sites. They use those sites to download a game and, if they like the game, they will buy it. If they don't get to play the game or a demo of the game, they aren't going to buy it anyhow. In that case, those torrent sites help drive sales, but I do not pretend that is the only circumstance for piracy.

[RODDYGINGER]

Escrito originalmente por thainen:

I've been waiting for years to play this game. I was happy to see it finally making it to Steam, and was ready to pay whatever price.
However, no matter how good the game is, it's not worth infesting your PC with malware. Denuvo is a dealbreaker. I'm making a new topic to say it, because I want the publishers to hear it. You're not hurting the pirates -- they will crack it in a couple of weeks anyway. You're driving away customers.

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