Denuvo = no buy

[thainen]

I've been waiting for years to play this game. I was happy to see it finally making it to Steam, and was ready to pay whatever price.
However, no matter how good the game is, it's not worth infesting your PC with malware. Denuvo is a dealbreaker. I'm making a new topic to say it, because I want the publishers to hear it. You're not hurting the pirates -- they will crack it in a couple of weeks anyway. You're driving away customers.

[WolfEisberg]

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GOG is DRM free gaming. Please know what you are talking about before you start slandering GOG.

Gog actually has a similar system. It is a license based system, not a repository of every drm free game. If gog shut down, then if you don't have every single game downloaded, you would lose your software. You don't own your games, you hold a license. Something even gog is under. And they could take that away at the drop of a dime

Doesn't matter. Since it is DRM free, I get to keep all my games backups, and install them free of any DRM at any time. It does not matter if GoG goes down.

[Gabby]

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Actually, if you use GoG Galaxy at all it’s not DRM free. Galaxy requires a DRM wrapper for every game. (And at least last time I ran a submission games were required to work in GoG Galaxy.)

Key word being 'optional'

Read everything you just quoted.

[Doktor Mandrake]

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Key word being 'optional'

Read everything you just quoted.

I did, and everything you said is irrelevant

I can access my GOG games without needing Galaxy, it's a total fallacy

[WolfEisberg]

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GOG could theoretically deny you access to their servers, but the content you have downloaded is not something they can alter, modify, or rescind permission to access.

Legally, they can cancel your license, practically you still have your game and the most you can lose is future patches.

Wrong. If your license is revoked, then you have no right to having the files. Holding files you have license to is piracy.

Which is unheard of. Games always been a license thing, even when in physical form before digital distribution, we didn't worry about a publisher/developer sending us mail that we could no longer play the game we bought then, and we are not going to worry about it happening now with GoG versions.

[Gabby]

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Read everything you just quoted.

I did, and everything you said is irrelevant

I can access my GOG games without needing Galaxy, it's a total fallacy

Except that the game packages actually come with DRM in them. Thank you for not reading twice. <.<

[Hakuso]

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Read everything you just quoted.

I did, and everything you said is irrelevant

I can access my GOG games without needing Galaxy, it's a total fallacy

Galaxy uses an API, like Steam does, but the GOG games work without that API being available.

Some of them lack online play without access to the API, but they all work without it, so the "optional" part is accurate.

[WolfEisberg]

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Escrito originalmente por Mass Defect:

GOG is DRM-free gaming. Please know what you are talking about before you start slandering GOG.

Actually, if you use GoG Galaxy at all it’s not DRM free. Galaxy requires a DRM wrapper for every game. (And at least last time I ran a submission games were required to work in GoG Galaxy.)

Nope. None of the games require GoG galaxy to play. None of the games require activation with any kind of DRM system.

[WolfEisberg]

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I did, and everything you said is irrelevant

I can access my GOG games without needing Galaxy, it's a total fallacy

Except that the game packages actually come with DRM in them. Thank you for not reading twice. <.<

Except that is not true. None of the games require GoG Galaxy, none of them require a game to be activated using a DRM system.

[Hakuso]

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Actually, if you use GoG Galaxy at all it’s not DRM free. Galaxy requires a DRM wrapper for every game. (And at least last time I ran a submission games were required to work in GoG Galaxy.)

Nope. None of the games require GoG galaxy to play. None of the games require activation with any kind of DRM system.

Some have account-based multiplayer, or Galaxy linked multiplayer, but they all run in single player (and LAN for those awesome people who still include the best way to play) mode without Galaxy and without any third party account.

[Doktor Mandrake]

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That is true, as it is with every peice of software

However, that doesn't change the fact that GOG users are allowed to back up their data, and ONLY require the files required to actually run the game

As long as you have the files, you're golden, as it should be with digital downloads..

Before digital downloads were a thing, our games we bought on carts or cds and dvds, they would always be playable as long as you had the data, same goes for GOG.. And that's how it should be

As for Denuvo, I have repeated this many times, and not many people seem to come to the same conclusion.. Simply remove Denuvo from your game after X amount of months or X amount of years, once it has 'served its purpose'

That's the main gripe here for me, not that they use denuvo, but the fact that these multi-billion companies refuse to remove it LONG after its served its purpose.. But that's okay, they can recharge us for an "ultimate edition" ala bulletstorm

If people want to defend multi billion corperations, that's up to them, but some of us are old enough to know that it's a pretty dumb thing to do.

You were talking sense right up until you tried to equate maturity with what you can and cannot defend. Irony since such a claim is deeply immature.

I can play every game I have purchased from GOG, without requiring galaxy, as long as I have the 'data files required to play a game' I can actually play it

Fallacy .. As I said, and unless you have anything constructive to contribute I will not reply to this blatent trolling effort

[Doktor Mandrake]

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I did, and everything you said is irrelevant

I can access my GOG games without needing Galaxy, it's a total fallacy

Galaxy uses an API, like Steam does, but the GOG games work without that API being available.

Some of them lack online play without access to the API, but they all work without it, so the "optional" part is accurate.

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Nope. None of the games require GoG galaxy to play. None of the games require activation with any kind of DRM system.

Some have account-based multiplayer, or Galaxy linked multiplayer, but they all run in single player (and LAN for those awesome people who still include the best way to play) mode without Galaxy and without any third party account.

Exactly.

[Brian9824]

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it was a scientifically done study with a 45% error ratio that means they admit that nearly 1 out of every 2 responses can be false. Or in otherwords if they had guessed and just filled in the survey themselves randomly based on no evidence it would basically be just as accurate as what they published. Most studies have an error rate of 1-2%.........

Its up to the game publishers to determine how to use Denuvo. they can configuire it to do a 1 time check. So if denuvo goes down they can easily change the check, or someone else could easily set up a fake denuvo validation server that just authenticates everything blindly.

Plenty of options to address if if Denuvo ever goes down.

It says 45% error for one question, that is not true for all the questions.

There is no reason to believe that any developer/publisher will go back to old games and fix the problem of Denuvo servers being gone.

I only go with what is known, and it is known what Denuvo needs, and it is know what would happen if Denuvo servers go down (same with any DRM system as well), and there is no reasonable assumption to be made that all of these system will aways stay up, and no reasonable assumption that the developers/publishers will do anything about it later on.

Wrong

The overall estimate is 24 extra legal transactions
(including free games) for every 100 online copyright infringements, with an
error margin of 45 per cent (two times the standard error). The positive effect
of illegal downloads and streams on the sales of games may be explained by
players getting hooked and then paying to play the game with extra bonuses
or at extra levels.

Also again, their entire assumption is flawed because if your pirating games your pirating the FULL game. You will never

The positive effect
of illegal downloads and streams on the sales of games may be explained by
players getting hooked and then paying to play the game with extra bonuses
or at extra levels.

as it doesnt exist.

[Doktor Mandrake]

People always ignore the part I mention about how companies can remove denuvo after its served its purpose

I guess that's simply because people would run out of reasons to argue? Afterall, everyone would be happy if Denuvo was used but got removed after X amount of months or X amount of years when it doesn't serve a purpose.. But to agree to common sense would give less reason to argue like children about denuvo I suppose?

[Gabby]

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Except that the game packages actually come with DRM in them. Thank you for not reading twice. <.<

Except that is not true. None of the games require GoG Galaxy, none of them require a game to be activated using a DRM system.

I see reading comprehension is low in this forum. To claim something is DRM free means it lacks any DRM. If the DRM is there, active or not, then the claim of being DRM free is false.

My biggest problem with this is that GoG never tells you this and instead claims Galaxy to be free of DRM too.

That was my only point. Semantics, maybe, but correct.

[Nemo, Forevermore]

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Fallacy .. As I said, and unless you have anything constructive to contribute I will not reply to this blatent trolling effort

Not sure it is trolling. Account clearly states "Public Relations" so I will just view their argument as an issue of protecting one's own interests.