The Martini-Henry Ironside quirk?

[M R . K N I V E S]

Doesn't it technically turn it into a repeater? Can we use levering with it?

[bacon]

you should be able to melee people with the magazine and one-shot them. because its so damn big.

[Noxx]

You can't use levering with it, and since it's long ammo the bloom would be off the rails so you don't benefit from it (if it would be possible).

[Mr. Mandude]

If you go to arsenal and write (Levering, fanning, iron eye, dual) It'll show all weapons available for each respective perk ;)

[Dookie Cough]

no external hammer so levering doesnt work

[Fray]

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no external hammer so levering doesnt work

The hammer being exposed or not doesn't really make a difference

On the Winfields, the lever encompasses multiple fingers, and operating the mechanism is a very simple movement.
With the Martini-Henry, the lever is mostly flush with the grip for a little more than the width of your hand, before ending in a half-loop. You're not going to have any fingers in that half-loop when firing, so operating the action requires repositioning your hand. It also takes significantly more force to operate, hence the amount of leverage the opening mechanism provides, so even if the lever was shorter and enclosed it would be extremely difficult to manipulate with any level of speed.

[Dookie Cough]

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no external hammer so levering doesnt work

The hammer being exposed or not doesn't really make a difference

On the Winfields, the lever encompasses multiple fingers, and operating the mechanism is a very simple movement.
With the Martini-Henry, the lever is mostly flush with the grip for a little more than the width of your hand, before ending in a half-loop. You're not going to have any fingers in that half-loop when firing, so operating the action requires repositioning your hand. It also takes significantly more force to operate, hence the amount of leverage the opening mechanism provides, so even if the lever was shorter and enclosed it would be extremely difficult to manipulate with any level of speed.

the reason you cant lever is because of its internal hammer, the lever itself isnt really a lever.on closing the action, there's no backside to the lever. aside from that it isnt tube fed, rounds just kinda get shoved in.

[Fray]

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the reason you cant lever is because of its internal hammer, the lever itself isnt really a lever.on closing the action, there's no backside to the lever. aside from that it isnt tube fed, rounds just kinda get shoved in.

The hammer does not make a difference. Your character does NOT touch the hammer when levering with the Winfield. In fact, the Terminus has a largely shrouded hammer and it can still be levered just fine.
I don't know what you mean by "the lever itself isnt really a lever." It is a lever. It's just not designed to be operated the same way as a lever on something like the Winfield. Moving the lever opens the breech block, places the hammer into firing position, and ejects a round if present. Being a single-shot breech-loading rifle, it obviously doesn't load a round for you, except in the case of the external magazine on the Ironside, which is what the OP is asking about. We're not talking talking about levering a stock Martini because obviously there'd be no point.
I've sold two Martini-Henry rifles. I'm pretty familiar on the ergonomics and why you wouldn't be able to "lever" like in Hunt, even if it was a repeating rifle. And it has nothing to do with how the hammer works.

[bacon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dookie Cough:

no external hammer so levering doesnt work

you fan the hammer. you lever the lever. stop your word salad explanations please.

[Dookie Cough]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dookie Cough:

no external hammer so levering doesnt work

you fan the hammer. you lever the lever. stop your word salad explanations please.

the lever ♥♥♥♥♥ the hammer bruh, you need to keep the trigger pulled and you cant do this on a MH because its internal, its only purpose it to cycle

[Dookie Cough]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dookie Cough:

the reason you cant lever is because of its internal hammer, the lever itself isnt really a lever.on closing the action, there's no backside to the lever. aside from that it isnt tube fed, rounds just kinda get shoved in.

The hammer does not make a difference. Your character does NOT touch the hammer when levering with the Winfield. In fact, the Terminus has a largely shrouded hammer and it can still be levered just fine.
I don't know what you mean by "the lever itself isnt really a lever." It is a lever. It's just not designed to be operated the same way as a lever on something like the Winfield. Moving the lever opens the breech block, places the hammer into firing position, and ejects a round if present. Being a single-shot breech-loading rifle, it obviously doesn't load a round for you, except in the case of the external magazine on the Ironside, which is what the OP is asking about. We're not talking talking about levering a stock Martini because obviously there'd be no point.
I've sold two Martini-Henry rifles. I'm pretty familiar on the ergonomics and why you wouldn't be able to "lever" like in Hunt, even if it was a repeating rifle. And it has nothing to do with how the hammer works.

its exactly WHY you cant lever it BECAUSE its inside. the levers only purpose is to cycle. hunts MH isnt lever action in the sense of it being true lever action like winnies. its closer to the sparks

[Fray]

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its exactly WHY you cant lever it BECAUSE its inside. the levers only purpose is to cycle

Except, in BOTH THE MARTINI AND THE WINFIELD, it ejects a casing if present, AND places the hammer into firing position. The difference is, the Winfield is a repeating rifle, the Martini is not. Which is why

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dookie Cough:

the lever ♥♥♥♥♥ the hammer bruh, you need to keep the trigger pulled and you cant do this on a MH because its internal, its only purpose it to cycle

You do not understand what you're talking about at all. Firstly, I guarantee you can't find a source claiming you keep the trigger depressed. Secondly, if you were remotely familiar with the Winchester mechanism, and I mean even just watching how it works in Hunt, you'd know a metal rod physically sticks out of the receiver as you cycle the action and pushes the hammer down, ready to be fired. If you kept the trigger held, the hammer would simply ride this bit of metal back up as you return the lever, resulting in the gun not firing. Whether the hammer is inside the gun or not is functionally irrelevant.
And if you don't believe me, go watch a few cowboy action shooting matches and tell me how many people are holding the trigger down on their Winchester 1873s.

[Dookie Cough]

im literaly holding an uberati lever action in my hand right now, i HAVE to keep the trigger pulled BECAUSE thats what releases the hammer when you lever to cycle........if you dont keep it depressed all your doing is chamber the next round to be fired like a normal repeating rifle, like yea its SUPPOSED to ride the rod that ♥♥♥♥♥ it back, its not the hammer doing the work its the rod which has the pin on it, the hammer pushes it the rest of that little way to fire.....its the built in safty other wise any time you cycled it youd just be fireing off the next round immediatly

[Fray]

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if you dont keep it depressed all your doing is chamber the next round to be fired like a normal repeating rifle

Correct, with the hammer in a position to provide enough inertia to allow the firing pin to strike the primer of a cartridge with enough force to detonate. Which it won't if you let the hammer down slowly. If you only needed a gentle nudge, you wouldn't need, y'know, a hammer. Or the hammer wouldn't need to drop as far as it does.
Maybe you should put the rifle down until you're a little more familiar with it. Like I said, go ahead and look up people who do CAS competitions and see how curiously everyone's doing the opposite of what you're saying.

[Dookie Cough]

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if you dont keep it depressed all your doing is chamber the next round to be fired like a normal repeating rifle

Correct, with the hammer in a position to provide enough inertia to allow the firing pin to strike the primer of a cartridge with enough force to detonate. Which it won't if you let the hammer down slowly. If you only needed a gentle nudge, you wouldn't need, y'know, a hammer. Or the hammer wouldn't need to drop as far as it does.
Maybe you should put the rifle down until you're a little more familiar with it. Like I said, go ahead and look up people who do CAS competitions and see how curiously everyone's doing the opposite of what you're saying.

no you still need the hammer, under the lever is another safty that will only allow you to pull the trigger to send the hammer forward if you close the lever completly on the rifle stock. the hammer is tensioned to sit forward naturally as if pushing on the bolt, the bolt and firing pin wont touch the round if the hammer doesnt push

[Fray]

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no you still need the hammer, under the lever is another safty that will only allow you to pull the trigger to send the hammer forward if you close the lever completly on the rifle stock.

Whoops you're right about the lever safety, forgot even all but the very first period 1873's had them. Regardless, I was speaking abstractly. You claimed that the hammer is "not doing the work" when it's very much doing a lot of work, that's why it's there on the design in the first place. What doesn't matter is if the hammer is exposed or if it was completely enshrouded in metal, i.e. an internal hammer. You'd still be able to lever the Winfield either way and it has nothing to do with your original point of

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no external hammer so levering doesnt work

Conversely, having an external hammer on a Martini also does not make it suddenly leverable.