Levering and Fanning should be world only traits

[Spiffyo™]

I think they shouldn't be buyable traits, no amount of point adjustments would make them not OP, and making them functionally worse just means its more RNG to die from the traits, something that duallies have already shown Cryteks interest in minimizing.

Both spamfire traits should ONLY be attainable from meatheads or randomly spawning in the world, like an inverse of Frontiersmen(Yes this trait isn't available from meatheads or inworld). Because their price is negligible at this point because they're attainable in the first 12 trait points when you already have decent traits rolled onto a hunter, IF not already gotten on said hunter because they're a "synergy trait" so getting one makes it VERY likely to get the other.

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Originally posted by Spiffyo™:

I think they shouldn't be buyable traits, no amount of point adjustments would make them not OP, and making them functionally worse just means its more RNG to die from the traits, something that duallies have already shown Cryteks interest in minimizing.

Both spamfire traits should ONLY be attainable from meatheads or randomly spawning in the world, like an inverse of Frontiersmen(Yes this trait isn't available from meatheads or inworld). Because their price is negligible at this point because they're attainable in the first 12 trait points when you already have decent traits rolled onto a hunter, IF not already gotten on said hunter because they're a "synergy trait" so getting one makes it VERY likely to get the other.

OR you can fight from a distance and be "safe from the fanning"

[Soft & Wet]

Originally posted by Spiffyo™:

I think they shouldn't be buyable traits, no amount of point adjustments would make them not OP, and making them functionally worse just means its more RNG to die from the traits, something that duallies have already shown Cryteks interest in minimizing.

Both spamfire traits should ONLY be attainable from meatheads or randomly spawning in the world, like an inverse of Frontiersmen(Yes this trait isn't available from meatheads or inworld). Because their price is negligible at this point because they're attainable in the first 12 trait points when you already have decent traits rolled onto a hunter, IF not already gotten on said hunter because they're a "synergy trait" so getting one makes it VERY likely to get the other.

lol @ noobs eternally losing their minds over levering and fanning, been going on for years now

[Spiffyo™]

Originally posted by CAPTAIN TENNEAL:

Originally posted by Spiffyo™:

I think they shouldn't be buyable traits, no amount of point adjustments would make them not OP, and making them functionally worse just means its more RNG to die from the traits, something that duallies have already shown Cryteks interest in minimizing.

Both spamfire traits should ONLY be attainable from meatheads or randomly spawning in the world, like an inverse of Frontiersmen(Yes this trait isn't available from meatheads or inworld). Because their price is negligible at this point because they're attainable in the first 12 trait points when you already have decent traits rolled onto a hunter, IF not already gotten on said hunter because they're a "synergy trait" so getting one makes it VERY likely to get the other.

lol @ noobs eternally losing their minds over levering and fanning, been going on for years now

Eh, it comes down to how easy they are to get and how much payoff they give, alot of other traits give a bit, or if they give more then they'll cost more. Levering is too cheap for giving more, Centennial and Mako are already above average with the Terminus being one of the best shotguns with it, and Fanning itself already emboldens the gamestate of Long Ammo meta alongside the recently buffed pocket shotguns and semi-auto pistols. Their traits that should be alot rarer to find since no nerf would sufficiently make them balanced without making it too bad.

[Soft & Wet]

Originally posted by Spiffyo™:

Originally posted by CAPTAIN TENNEAL:

lol @ noobs eternally losing their minds over levering and fanning, been going on for years now

Eh, it comes down to how easy they are to get and how much payoff they give, alot of other traits give a bit, or if they give more then they'll cost more. Levering is too cheap for giving more, Centennial and Mako are already above average with the Terminus being one of the best shotguns with it, and Fanning itself already emboldens the gamestate of Long Ammo meta alongside the recently buffed pocket shotguns and semi-auto pistols. Their traits that should be alot rarer to find since no nerf would sufficiently make them balanced without making it too bad.

Levering and fanning are crutches, nothing more nothing less. Very few good players actually use levering
or fanning. If they were as dominant as you say they would be in the 5-6* meta and they simply aren’t. I rarely ever see these traits in 5-6*. Because good players rarely select any remotely RNG weapon unless they are memeing for fun.

The one caveat would be the terminus shorty with levering, however the bow with hundred hands is cheaper and more effective and more versatile in almost every way. Not to mention the throwing spear exists in the meta as a close range iwin button. Otherwise increasing your ammo pool with your secondary is the better option in 99% of loadouts.

[Spiffyo™]

Originally posted by CAPTAIN TENNEAL:

Originally posted by Spiffyo™:

Eh, it comes down to how easy they are to get and how much payoff they give, alot of other traits give a bit, or if they give more then they'll cost more. Levering is too cheap for giving more, Centennial and Mako are already above average with the Terminus being one of the best shotguns with it, and Fanning itself already emboldens the gamestate of Long Ammo meta alongside the recently buffed pocket shotguns and semi-auto pistols. Their traits that should be alot rarer to find since no nerf would sufficiently make them balanced without making it too bad.

Levering and fanning are crutches, nothing more nothing less. Very few good players actually use levering
or fanning. If they were as dominant as you say they would be in the 5-6* meta and they simply aren’t. I rarely ever see these traits in 5-6*. Because good players rarely select any remotely RNG weapon unless they are memeing for fun.

The one caveat would be the terminus shorty with levering, however the bow with hundred hands is cheaper and more effective and more versatile in almost every way. Not to mention the throwing spear exists in the meta as a close range iwin button. Otherwise increasing your ammo pool with your secondary is the better option in 99% of loadouts.

They're a crutch, meaning yes they should be moved to being a very rare trait so players aren't being skillcapped by constantly running them so they can experience other gameplay styles while having something special every so often to run.

And 5-6* is dominated by Long Ammo because the Bullet Drop only affected Snipers since the falloff for Long Ammo is +100M, Dolch because FMJ Spamfire pistol does phenomenally well with them, and Shotguns are meta but Rival and Crown are the best 3 slot shotguns and pocket shotguns are a strong alternative to covering very close range.

Levering and Fanning aren't a counter to shotguns cause it's still twoshots less you RNG headshot them, and is instead another case of countering the weakest weapons which are any singleshot guns since the aimpunch is so strong it'll make them VERY vulnerable.

[Muu]

As long as semi autos exist, no.

[Der Guteste TTV]

Fanning makes certain pistols playable. Even when using fanning, why not bring officer or dolch for close range - those are stronger, more reliable compared to fanning while also having more range.

Levering makes weak guns less weak and long ammo still dominates despite levering existing.

Neither fanning nor levering see much play at decent elo compared to the real good stuff.

[Ame]

Originally posted by Spiffyo™:

I think they shouldn't be buyable traits, no amount of point adjustments would make them not OP, and making them functionally worse just means its more RNG to die from the traits, something that duallies have already shown Cryteks interest in minimizing.

Both spamfire traits should ONLY be attainable from meatheads or randomly spawning in the world, like an inverse of Frontiersmen(Yes this trait isn't available from meatheads or inworld). Because their price is negligible at this point because they're attainable in the first 12 trait points when you already have decent traits rolled onto a hunter, IF not already gotten on said hunter because they're a "synergy trait" so getting one makes it VERY likely to get the other.

Or.. hear me out. You take your time to aim, one tap headshot them while they attempt to fan or lever you, praying for RNG to work in their favor depending on distance. and let people play the game how they want? get some skill and tactics.

[Spiffyo™]

Originally posted by Ame:

Originally posted by Spiffyo™:

I think they shouldn't be buyable traits, no amount of point adjustments would make them not OP, and making them functionally worse just means its more RNG to die from the traits, something that duallies have already shown Cryteks interest in minimizing.

Both spamfire traits should ONLY be attainable from meatheads or randomly spawning in the world, like an inverse of Frontiersmen(Yes this trait isn't available from meatheads or inworld). Because their price is negligible at this point because they're attainable in the first 12 trait points when you already have decent traits rolled onto a hunter, IF not already gotten on said hunter because they're a "synergy trait" so getting one makes it VERY likely to get the other.

Or.. hear me out. You take your time to aim, one tap headshot them while they attempt to fan or lever you, praying for RNG to work in their favor depending on distance. and let people play the game how they want? get some skill and tactics.

Or, they do tag you when you get a shot ready within 1 second and proceed to jerk your aim off of them as they land the followup shot and kill you. If you wanna use rng weapons, then use Bow or Crossbow without Shotbolt or use duallies.

[Spiffyo™]

Originally posted by Der Guteste:

Fanning makes certain pistols playable. Even when using fanning, why not bring officer or dolch for close range - those are stronger, more reliable compared to fanning while also having more range.

Levering makes weak guns less weak and long ammo still dominates despite levering existing.

Neither fanning nor levering see much play at decent elo compared to the real good stuff.

Levering Terminus is likely up there alongside the Rival and Crown, and FMJ Dolch is just actually overpowered.

Dolch gets actual nerfs and Fanning will likely be OP due to better damage over the semi-auto pistols and in close distance is a horrifying surprise, and Levering Terminus and Centennial are just unfun to fight against when they're already good guns.

Spear, Dolch, Krag, Mosin, Crown, and Rival need nerfs due to being too good whilst other weapons don't need to be buffed to their standard, but Fanning and Levering are crutches that encourage bad gameplay that is both unfun to fight against and doesn't encourage lower elo players to practice aiming better. It's why I don't think a stat nerf is justified, but being attainable only in the world is better, since it's very easy to get currently(trait synergies, removing traits to buy them, or just a good game) and making them alot harder to aquire is better in my opinion.

[Ame]

Originally posted by Spiffyo™:

Originally posted by Ame:

Or.. hear me out. You take your time to aim, one tap headshot them while they attempt to fan or lever you, praying for RNG to work in their favor depending on distance. and let people play the game how they want? get some skill and tactics.

Or, they do tag you when you get a shot ready within 1 second and proceed to jerk your aim off of them as they land the followup shot and kill you. If you wanna use rng weapons, then use Bow or Crossbow without Shotbolt or use duallies.

So if someone's tagged you before you even get a shot off, that means you were already in a losing position. If you get flinched and shot a second time, you were the one in a bad position, you don't deserve to win the fight. But lets say you react in time, You're chunked health, why would you continue to fight from the open unless you were certain you would win at that point? If you don't win, it was a choice to continue instead of ducking for coverage before they can continue auto fire into the air.

Bow and Crossbows are not RNG weapons, they are quite deadly unless you have no ability to aim, which goes for every other weapon in this game except a big dynamite bundle into a room.

Again, this is a skill issue, take better fights. You never know who has what trait. If you keep running into people with levering/fanning, maybe you should stop rushing directly into their line of fire and wait. its not that hard.

[JuX]

Gatekeeping a fun aspect of western shootouts? No, just no.

[Spiffyo™]

Originally posted by JuX:

Gatekeeping a fun aspect of western shootouts? No, just no.

Duallies, C&K, Rival, and hipfiring Semi-Autos exist if you want fast RNG shootouts. But the traits ought to be inworld exclusive.

[BlackWolf9988]

agree

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Originally posted by Spiffyo™:

They're a crutch, meaning yes they should be moved to being a very rare trait so players aren't being skillcapped by constantly running them so they can experience other gameplay styles while having something special every so often to run.

And 5-6* is dominated by Long Ammo because the Bullet Drop only affected Snipers since the falloff for Long Ammo is +100M, Dolch because FMJ Spamfire pistol does phenomenally well with them, and Shotguns are meta but Rival and Crown are the best 3 slot shotguns and pocket shotguns are a strong alternative to covering very close range.

Levering and Fanning aren't a counter to shotguns cause it's still twoshots less you RNG headshot them, and is instead another case of countering the weakest weapons which are any singleshot guns since the aimpunch is so strong it'll make them VERY vulnerable.

You're saying that levering is overpowered yet you say they are worthless against shotguns in CQC .. so it's not overpowered then?

Any 5 or 6 star player with some kind of knowledge would always prefer using a gun where you can be precise over any RNG stuff because yeah you can have RNG on your side and be very lucky, but it can also backfire massively. On the other side it's not hard to give your opponent a one tap headshot with any gun as long as you know how much you need to lead (if at all). So your arguments make literally zero sense since levering and fanning aren't strong at all and not as often used as you're portraying it to be. It's a last ditch effort and meme trait at best, nothing more and nothing less.

And you want to turn them into scarce traits, lol.