Hunt: Showdown 1896

Hunt: Showdown 1896

Wusaa Jul 21, 2024 @ 5:37am
New changes to the MMR system are only partially good.
I think everything is going OK, except for the team MMR.

Why/who came up with such nonsense?

I have 5 stars, my 2 mates have 3 and 2 stars.

They don't want to play with me anymore because our opponents always have 5 stars and they just don't have a trick.
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RNG Enjoyer Jul 21, 2024 @ 5:53am 
I think this is to prevent high mmr players teaming up with low star players to effectively cheat out of their mmr range. So being a 6* u can't get 2 2* players to allow urself shoot up 3-4* players.
Wusaa Jul 21, 2024 @ 6:09am 
Well, I don't do it on purpose and it's not my fault that my two friends aren't that good.
Before, everything was fine with the team mmr.
One 5, one 3 and the opponents were like that too.

As I said. They don't want to play with me anymore and it's just as bad for me because I end up alone and losing to the others :)
I think it's because everybody is considered a random team by the game right now. It's another "bug" they introduced during these 700 Updates and rerolls last week.
The new MMR is great the game can't differentiate between invite and randoms.
As I understand it you'll get matched in random teams into lobbies with MMR equal to the highest player in your group (couldn'T confirm that though) and that'S what'S happening right now with invite teams, too. :)
Peter Panzy Jul 21, 2024 @ 6:50am 
The system looks good on paper but doesn't work in execution... never really has for several reasons. The way its suppose to work is like a bobber in the water, it gets tossed in and drops below the water surface, then floats up and moves up/down for a little bit till its centers.

In theory, with a game like Hunt, you should win almost as much as you lose, since the player (bobber) will win pushing up their ranking, then lose and bring it back down and will continue till they get roughly settled with a MMR average.

Problem here lies in the fact Hunt is a ambush type game, so true MMR is nearly impossible to determine and its open world with bosses... Again, can just fortify a area and its now not true MMR. Another Point is Hunt is a Progression game with Perma-Death. So your only way to get a lvl 50 Hunter is to win and if you got a system where you suppose to lose.... Well, it defeats the whole purpose of leveling all together. On top of that, you got the usual cheaters/exploiters and the D-Rankers, all of which Crytek does next to nothing against.

Then there is Crytek itself, that doubles/triples down on any bad, toxic, game breaking mechanic they think is 'Cool' at the time. Bleed rounds need to be adjusted now, not on new engine launch. Scopes have always been a cancer to the game and instead of listening to player disappointment, Crytek decided it was goin to support the 10% long range snipers and 2 streamers with spetizer rounds.

Then of course, we got the more modern problem of Solo-Rez..... I mean, how damn hard is it that you just don't lose anymore MMR after being killed under XX amount of time.... Then the Sole Survivor BS.... Crytek just doesn't care.

Also, they now give bush campers endless means to burn downed hunters without them never having to leave their bush. I mean, the 10 billion lanterns and firebombs wasn't enough, and now they are nerfing chock bombs. Which is only 1 of 2 ways to actually put someone out.

Point is, till Crytek actually focuses on fixing the game and all its problems, this is never goin to be fixed. They need to redo it from the ground up..... The Crytek of today just isn't up to the task i'm afraid.
Darth_Angeal Jul 21, 2024 @ 7:18am 
Originally posted by Wusaa:
Well, I don't do it on purpose and it's not my fault that my two friends aren't that good.
Before, everything was fine with the team mmr.
One 5, one 3 and the opponents were like that too.

As I said. They don't want to play with me anymore and it's just as bad for me because I end up alone and losing to the others :)

Srsly when your friends don´t want to play with your for such a stupid reason, i wouldn´t even consider them to be real friends.

I can get the frustration to lose against better players, but maybe they should simply get better then and see it as a practice.
Playing with friends you can have fun with is 1000 times better than playing alone / with randoms just to not get stomped here and there.

Originally posted by RNG Enjoyer:
I think this is to prevent high mmr players teaming up with low star players to effectively cheat out of their mmr range. So being a 6* u can't get 2 2* players to allow urself shoot up 3-4* players.


Sadly a lot of ppl try that right now. I see a bunch of 6 star with 2-3 star mates in 5/6 star lobbies. And ofc those are 2nd accounts etc...
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Wusaa Jul 21, 2024 @ 7:24am 
Originally posted by Darth_Angeal:
Originally posted by Wusaa:
Well, I don't do it on purpose and it's not my fault that my two friends aren't that good.
Before, everything was fine with the team mmr.
One 5, one 3 and the opponents were like that too.

As I said. They don't want to play with me anymore and it's just as bad for me because I end up alone and losing to the others :)

Srsly when your friends don´t want to play with your for such a stupid reason, i wouldn´t even consider them to be real friends.

I can get the frustration to lose against better players, but maybe they should simply get better then and see it as a practice.
Playing with friends you can have fun with is 1000 times better than playing alone / with randoms just to not get stomped here and there.

Originally posted by RNG Enjoyer:
I think this is to prevent high mmr players teaming up with low star players to effectively cheat out of their mmr range. So being a 6* u can't get 2 2* players to allow urself shoot up 3-4* players.


Sadly a lot of ppl try that right now. I see a bunch of 6 star with 2-3 star mates in 5/6 star lobbies. And ofc those are 2nd accounts etc...


They play with me, but they just don't enjoy it if they get 1 kill in 10 rounds.
Which I can completely understand.
Why should I play a game in which I only lose.
Fun or not.
L@z@rus Jul 21, 2024 @ 7:38am 
OP is a confirmed Lietek Glazer. :steamthumbsdown:
SUPERGLUE Jul 21, 2024 @ 8:09am 
Surely you can't expect the matchmaker to match you against something LOWER than the HIGHEST ranked person? In what way would that be fair?
samiroshnik Jul 21, 2024 @ 8:15am 
...when will you make a fair game on equal terms for all players?! PROHIBIT PLAYERS FROM CHOOSING A GAME SERVER for all players and distribute the players by ping themselves. I'm tired of the garbage dump, when they kill you after death, in half a second. Are you really such incompetent- Crytek???:hunter0:
Originally posted by Wusaa:
I think everything is going OK, except for the team MMR.

Why/who came up with such nonsense?

I have 5 stars, my 2 mates have 3 and 2 stars.

They don't want to play with me anymore because our opponents always have 5 stars and they just don't have a trick.
i have 3 and my enemys 5-6
Peter Panzy Jul 21, 2024 @ 8:28am 
Despite from what some people have been saying, the MMR is f'd right now... Along side the group maker. Crytek never ceases to amaze me by how they can break something that was very very stable and working well for years, but here we are, first the graphics and now this :steamfacepalm:
Wusaa Jul 21, 2024 @ 8:48am 
Originally posted by SUPERGLUE:
Surely you can't expect the matchmaker to match you against something LOWER than the HIGHEST ranked person? In what way would that be fair?


But is it fair to let one low player compete against many high players?
SUPERGLUE Jul 21, 2024 @ 9:11am 
Originally posted by Wusaa:
But is it fair to let one low player compete against many high players?

If they chose to get into the same team as a far higher ranked player, then yes, yes ofcourse it is.

If you are searching for random teammates, get matched with people with higher rankings and then get thrown to the wolves, thats a different story.
Wusaa Jul 21, 2024 @ 9:46am 
Originally posted by SUPERGLUE:
Originally posted by Wusaa:
But is it fair to let one low player compete against many high players?

If they chose to get into the same team as a far higher ranked player, then yes, yes ofcourse it is.

If you are searching for random teammates, get matched with people with higher rankings and then get thrown to the wolves, thats a different story.


Everyone has their own opinion. Unfortunately, I see it a little differently.
SUPERGLUE Jul 21, 2024 @ 10:14am 
Originally posted by Wusaa:
Everyone has their own opinion. Unfortunately, I see it a little differently.

The way I look at it is as follows.

Picture a person or two who make the CHOISE to play with a friend who is two or more stars higher than they are. Let's say the highest rating is five star.

The matchmaker now has two options:
- Fill a server with five star players, +/- what ever the normal difference is.
OR
- Take an average or something like that of the ratings of the above mentioned pre-made
squad, and fill a server with players of this new rating.

In the first case, one or two people may struggle with getting kills and what not. But keep in mind, these players CHOSE to play at this rank by teaming up with their highly skilled friend.

In the second case, nine or ten players find themselves figthing at least one person who is, depending on how the afforementioned averaging works, possibly a far superior player. Now you potentially have nine or ten players who are struggling against one player and their friend(s). Keep in mind, none of these players CHOSE to play against this higher skilled player.

So for me, the active choise players make of who to play with is the differentiating factor. Unfortunately games with potential instant death, be that by headshots or weapons capable of one-shotting players, are probably always going to run into this matchmaking issue.
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Date Posted: Jul 21, 2024 @ 5:37am
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