Adding Bullet Drop to hunt will only buff snipers even more.

["Hard Tack" Tom]

Bullet drop will buff only snipers, and completely remove players with iron sights chance to ever fight back.

This is because of the science behind bullet drop - Bullet drop means players will have to aim above the target to hit it, as the bullet will fall as it travels. This is not a problem for people with scopes as the target will just be further down the big black + sign in their scope. BUT if you are using iron sights there will come a range where you will have to aim so high the barrel of the gun will completely block the view of target, hard capping irons sight range.

This "hard cap" will make fighting back against snipers go from difficult, to impossible if the sniper keeps his range up, as he will be completely obscured behind the barrels of the iron sights guys trying to return fire.

Real life rifles got around this problem by having adjustable iron sights that physically raise the rear sight up to see over the raised tip of the barrel. So unless you plan on adding realistic adjustable iron sights to every rifle in the game, PLEASE do no go through with this planned change in August.

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ok no problem!

[Barry MaCockiner]

Good call, I think this is pretty close.

Players who want to play scopes are going to get good with the drop mechanic, unless dev totally messes it up. There's not going to be much of a counter if you have iron sights and you are at the extreme range of your weapon, sniper will rule you all day.

Not sure i want to mention it, but if sniper is a solo with one off full bar revive, you'll be dealing with them all match.
I'm telling you solo snipers are gonna play at a range will will make them very hard to counter, if their smart.

[YourMouth]

Imagine sniper with big scope starts hitting your team in 150+m.And all three of you just stand there and don't understand what to do.You try to shoot back with pistol(which will drop bullet from like 25m) and some rifles(with what you cannnot see enemy) and you just cannot hit him.So you have only 2 options:
1-run to nearest extraction and leave
2-go inside compound and just wait 5-10 minutes untill he leaves

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Originally posted by ⇨YourMouth⇦:

Imagine sniper with big scope starts hitting your team in 150+m.And all three of you just stand there and don't understand what to do.You try to shoot back with pistol(which will drop bullet from like 25m) and some rifles(with what you cannnot see enemy) and you just cannot hit him.So you have only 2 options:
1-run to nearest extraction and leave
2-go inside compound and just wait 5-10 minutes untill he leaves

the exact same ♥♥♥♥ can happen right now without any drop bullet mechanix

[Barry MaCockiner]

Originally posted by Hotwheels sisyphus:

Originally posted by ⇨YourMouth⇦:

Imagine sniper with big scope starts hitting your team in 150+m.And all three of you just stand there and don't understand what to do.You try to shoot back with pistol(which will drop bullet from like 25m) and some rifles(with what you cannnot see enemy) and you just cannot hit him.So you have only 2 options:
1-run to nearest extraction and leave
2-go inside compound and just wait 5-10 minutes untill he leaves

the exact same ♥♥♥♥ can happen right now without any drop bullet mechanix

It'll be worse with drop at extreme ranges than it is now, you'll have to "aim" over their head. It's going to be wait and see with this one.

["Hard Tack" Tom]

Originally posted by ⇨YourMouth⇦:

Imagine sniper with big scope starts hitting your team in 150+m.And all three of you just stand there and don't understand what to do.You try to shoot back with pistol(which will drop bullet from like 25m) and some rifles(with what you cannnot see enemy) and you just cannot hit him.So you have only 2 options:
1-run to nearest extraction and leave
2-go inside compound and just wait 5-10 minutes untill he leaves

Yeah i agree with that. And also its way shorter than 25m. In dev video they showed the pax, conversion and uppercut pistols drop ranges are 10m, 15m, and 15m respectively.

And since those are the main 3 sidearms shotgun players like take to fight at range, shotgun corner camping with 0 peeks is going to be so, so much more prevalent than it already is.

After all, since peeking and returning fire with pistols is going from difficult to actually impossible, why peek? All thats just speculation though. All i really know is its gonna be frustrating not being able to fight back anymore.

[Noxx]

In the official video they were talking about a "subtle" drop at "longer distances". Nobody knows how subtle or when this longer distances start. So unless we tested the update it's impossible to say that it will be broken or not.

So how about we test it in August for a few days or a week and then create topics about this afterwards when we tested it?

[Pokorny Adam]

Love this tears of crying players that dont even know how it gonna work xD. You are all insaine. Now its a lot of easier to play with sniper coz you cant even see him and he dont have any bullet drop. How old are you? 12? These histerical screaming is so funny XD

[Psy]

Originally posted by "Hard Tack" Tom:

Bullet drop will buff only snipers, and completely remove players with iron sights chance to ever fight back.

This is because of the science behind bullet drop - Bullet drop means players will have to aim above the target to hit it, as the bullet will fall as it travels. This is not a problem for people with scopes as the target will just be further down the big black + sign in their scope. BUT if you are using iron sights there will come a range where you will have to aim so high the barrel of the gun will completely block the view of target, hard capping irons sight range.

This "hard cap" will make fighting back against snipers go from difficult, to impossible if the sniper keeps his range up, as he will be completely obscured behind the barrels of the iron sights guys trying to return fire.

Real life rifles got around this problem by having adjustable iron sights that physically raise the rear sight up to see over the raised tip of the barrel. So unless you plan on adding realistic adjustable iron sights to every rifle in the game, PLEASE do no go through with this planned change in August.

did you not watch the dev blog... they said its to buff snipers... im confused why you even made this post

[SoNotJames]

Originally posted by Noxx:

In the official video they were talking about a "subtle" drop at "longer distances". Nobody knows how subtle or when this longer distances start. So unless we tested the update it's impossible to say that it will be broken or not.

So how about we test it in August for a few days or a week and then create topics about this afterwards when we tested it?

Major change like that should be tested on the test servers to at least make sure the numbers are dialed in correctly let alone bug check on a greater scale than in house testing. There's a lot that can go wrong especially because they're probably going to have to do add that mechanic to each individual weapon. This is crytek after all...small updates go horribly wrong. They got a lot riding on this update outside of just Hunt. I have a feeling this update is more of a tech showcase for their new engine. Not a lot of devs are using cryengine anymore and if that changes there's a ton of extra revenue coming in.

[Dullahan The Weak]

I'm sorry but there is probably no turning back now xD

[Daos]

its going to be bad and the cheating player base will just remove bullet drop so just another advantage for them. like all the wall hacker and all the its clear sky's and day time no matter the actual whether. but mostly player outlines.

[MrFluffyWolf]

This does reinforce the need for a scope at longer ranges, meaning people who want to snipe likely will have to shell out for a good scoped rifle and you'll probably get meme killed at insane distances by people with irons a lot less than you used to post update.
I don't see this strictly as a problem, as while it does "buff" scoped weapons as opposed to unscoped weapons at long range, that also forces people who want to shoot at longer ranges into certain playstyles and loadouts, so not everyone can snipe with whatever they want anymore.
Ultimately, I think either two things will happen: EVERYONE starts buying scoped weapons and the whole game becomes snipers only (which regardless of the long-term this is almost certainly going to happen in the short-term for obvious reasons. Personally, the long-term is all I care about, because people are always going to want to play with new changes in an update, so there's no reason to get bent out of shape in the short-term. )

OR Not enough people change their weapon habits in response, and keep using the stuff they like. They will then have to adapt how they use their favorite weapons to the new mechanics, and you'll see less people doing stupid ♥♥♥♥ with unscoped Sparks across the map than you used to. (Though some people will obviously be good enough to keep doing it regardless.)

Personally I think the former will happen in the short-term, but the latter will be how things end up settling after a month or two, and more engagements will happen at shorter ranges, rather than longer ones. I don't think as many people are going to become dedicated snipers. I think more people are just going to keep using what they always used, and just move in closer to use them.

[Barry MaCockiner]

Originally posted by Adanoss:

Love this tears of crying players that dont even know how it gonna work xD. You are all insaine. Now its a lot of easier to play with sniper coz you cant even see him and he dont have any bullet drop. How old are you? 12? These histerical screaming is so funny XD

Hysterical screaming? Calm down.

Just a bit of speculation over a new mechanic, as said we'll need to see it first.

[RebirthInFire]

If they want to make long range shots harder, they should just remove sniper scopes and spitzer ammo from the game.

When someone plays that combo, other hunters using iron sights have to try to guess which pixel corresponds to the hunter that shot at them, and good movement is not enough to avoid getting domed.