Hunt: Showdown 1896

Hunt: Showdown 1896

Dartus Monkus Jul 15, 2020 @ 11:40pm
The weapon variant unlock system is a huge problem
Easy fix- make variant unlocks persist after prestige or return to the previous system of bloodline variant unlocks. Why? Because the later variants are so hard to unlock that I'm never able to run them. Sure, I could the base weapon in a bunch of hunts in a row to grind experience, but here's the thing- that's not a fun way to play the game. Why should I be forced to use a gun of the same exact variant if I just want to unlock some of the OTHER variants? By the time I unlock them, I'm already tired of using that gun. I like to alternate in which guns I use, so I never unlock any variants before prestige.

It's so bad that before buying a legendary skin, I have to decide if it's worth it considering how often I'll actually be able to use it. I also haven't used the avtomat once since they added this system, because by rank 100 of every prestige I will have only unlocked one or two mosin variants.

It's just... baffling. My fun is directly limited because the only way to use variants I like is either hope I get them from recruited hunters, or grind with the same gun for way too long. Why has this system been unchanged for this long?
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DarkKrieg Jul 15, 2020 @ 11:46pm 
I couldn't agree more. I don't see anything wrong with bloodline unlocks.

I don't prestige, so I don't have this issue, but for the people that do enjoy prestiging, the current unlock system is, as you said, baffling.
his1roguenation Jul 16, 2020 @ 1:18am 
Nobody likes this superlatively retarded system, but hey, we are not Crytek, it's what they want in their game, it's what they consider perfection.
Scrubdaddy Jul 16, 2020 @ 2:01am 
If they persist after prestige it would ramp up the progression speed big time, level 1 hunter bloodline 1 with a mosin uppercut will make things too easy, the whole idea of a prestige is to start from the gutter again, otherwise why not just make it continue after 100, legit no point
Blame Jul 16, 2020 @ 2:15am 
Originally posted by Goodnight Robicheaux:
If they persist after prestige it would ramp up the progression speed big time, level 1 hunter bloodline 1 with a mosin uppercut will make things too easy, the whole idea of a prestige is to start from the gutter again, otherwise why not just make it continue after 100, legit no point

You pretty much missed the point.
Nobody is saying that a level 1 hunter bloodline 1 would run mosin or uppercut.
Just that the variants stay unlocked for the weapons, which you get access to when you hit the required bloodline rank.
Ainess (Banned) Jul 16, 2020 @ 2:24am 
Yeah, agreed, or maybe even better, just very significantly decrease the XP amount it takes to unlock each consecutive variant again. That way, people will be less discouraged from prestiging, yet it will still be a considerable roadblock (which it should be, because it is called PRESTIGE, and also it yields otherwise paid-for skins for free). Imagine 500-1000 XP per variant unlock, instead of 1000-3000.

Gotta love how I was meaning to try out mosin sniper for some time, and on I think my 5th prestige, I unlocked it literally at rank 99,5 :D So basically had 1 match to run it, unless I would just delay prestiging, which kinda sucks and defeats the whole purpose. Wanna try out avtomat? Like, ever? Tough tiddies lol.
I actually think the way variants unlock makes sense gamplay and lore wise.
And it actually shows some people the more imbalanced weapons (as they are forced to play them for a while, insted of just waiting to get the uppercut...).
For many low bloodline Rank weapons it actually speeds up the Progression (the ones that need a Buff the most) while only the Lebel and mostly the Mosin are slower. But with a Weapon as powerful as the Mosin or Lebel you should: A) not have much of a problem getting the EP B) all the power and versatility of the weapon family also should come with a little downside (in this case a bit of a grind to get everything you want)

In case you didnt know, whatever you shoot or melee with you weapon counts towards your Weapon EP, so if you change your habits just a little (i.e. do the finishing blow with the buttstock) unlocking new Variants isn't actually that hard, although it requires a little effort.

But what is a bad move i think is that only one weapon variant can be unlocked per game, so if you have a really good game with 4-5 romero kills and maybe 1-2 boss kills with the Romero, you would get ~2500 EP, yet you only unlock the 500 EP Romero Handcannon and the other 2000 EP are lost.

The whole point of Prestige is just bragging rights, if you want to brag with your Prestige then put a little more effort into it than just clicking prestige every 100 levels.
In this case the effort would be to beat the 100 levels with only limited unlocks untill the next prestige.
For it to be and stay about bragging right it is absolutely fine if the Progression is as slow as it is for the first 100 levels (although you already have a small 10 %, progressionrate increase if you choose so). No one is forcing you to prestige, there is no drawback to not prestiging.
Nequis (Banned) Jul 16, 2020 @ 4:38am 
It would be very simple to just have all the variants unlock once you hit the required level to be able to buy the base weapon,why should i have to grind let's say a Martiny Henri just to have 2-3 different scopes on it again.



Originally posted by Ainess:
Gotta love how I was meaning to try out mosin sniper for some time, and on I think my 5th prestige, I unlocked it literally at rank 99,5 :D So basically had 1 match to run it, unless I would just delay prestiging, which kinda sucks and defeats the whole purpose. Wanna try out avtomat? Like, ever? Tough tiddies lol.

Still better than me when i sacked 2 avtomats from killing 2 players with a crossbow in 2 consecutive matches but then i forgot i had taken them and prestiged without using them lol.
Originally posted by DarkKrieg:
I couldn't agree more. I don't see anything wrong with bloodline unlocks.

I don't prestige, so I don't have this issue, but for the people that do enjoy prestiging, the current unlock system is, as you said, baffling.

The Bloodline unlocks keep weapon variety in lower in some instances as right now you have to actually take a conversion pistol with you and get EP to get the Uppercut, with a Bloodline unlock people would just wait until they get the gun. Also this system of unlocking actually demands you put effort into getting what you want, instead of just waiting until you get everything eventually.

There is an argument to be made about Hunt being a game and you shouldn't have to put effort in a game, but if you feel so, then you propably are better off switching to a game that doesn't take as much effort. (not trying to be condescending here, but it is afterall supposed to be a more hardcore game)
Last edited by Berserkir # Ragnarök; Jul 16, 2020 @ 4:43am
Originally posted by Nequis:
It would be very simple to just have all the variants unlock once you hit the required level to be able to buy the base weapon,why should i have to grind let's say a Martiny Henri just to have 2-3 different scopes on it again.



Originally posted by Ainess:
Gotta love how I was meaning to try out mosin sniper for some time, and on I think my 5th prestige, I unlocked it literally at rank 99,5 :D So basically had 1 match to run it, unless I would just delay prestiging, which kinda sucks and defeats the whole purpose. Wanna try out avtomat? Like, ever? Tough tiddies lol.

Still better than me when i sacked 2 avtomats from killing 2 players with a crossbow in 2 consecutive matches but then i forgot i had taken them and prestiged without using them lol.
Because the point of Prestiging is bragging rights, it's not supposed to be simple...

There is nothing to brag about when it's simple.

The Devs said with the implementation of Prestiges that it is not supposed to be game mechanic that is vital to the game, it was supposed for those willing to take the burden of having to do all over again, and be able to brag about it after.
Last edited by Berserkir # Ragnarök; Jul 16, 2020 @ 4:43am
Ainess (Banned) Jul 16, 2020 @ 4:49am 
Originally posted by Berserkir # Ragnarök:
Originally posted by Nequis:
It would be very simple to just have all the variants unlock once you hit the required level to be able to buy the base weapon,why should i have to grind let's say a Martiny Henri just to have 2-3 different scopes on it again.





Still better than me when i sacked 2 avtomats from killing 2 players with a crossbow in 2 consecutive matches but then i forgot i had taken them and prestiged without using them lol.
Because the point of Prestiging is bragging rights, it's not supposed to be simple...

There is nothing to brag about when it's simple.

The Devs said with the implementation of Prestiges that they are not supposed to be game mechanic that is vital to the game, it was supposed to those willing to take the burden of having to do all over again

But it is simple. It is just annoying and kinda defeats some of the point of the game. You can either unlock everything (or just everything you personally want/need) for every prestige you go, but then you will probably be staying on that prestige for longer than necessary (staying at rank 100 for some time), and probably still not making much actual use of all the unlocks you grinded for. Which feels... pointless. And also frustrating and annoying. And you will not be prestiging that often because of that.

Or you can prestige super quickly without worrying about most unlocks, and only get the stuff you really need/want the most this prestige. Which is ok I guess, but then you are effectively locking yourself away from much of the game´s content (weapon variants and the gameplay options they provide) for a very, very long time.

I agree unlocking should stay, but I will argue that the XP amounts to unlock each variant should be reduced, because as things are now, you cannot even remotely unlock everything (or even most things tbh) in a sensible manner per prestige.
Orkhepaj Jul 16, 2020 @ 5:52am 
so they reset?:O omg that's so wrong
Originally posted by Ainess:
Originally posted by Berserkir # Ragnarök:
Because the point of Prestiging is bragging rights, it's not supposed to be simple...

There is nothing to brag about when it's simple.

The Devs said with the implementation of Prestiges that they are not supposed to be game mechanic that is vital to the game, it was supposed to those willing to take the burden of having to do all over again

But it is simple. It is just annoying and kinda defeats some of the point of the game. You can either unlock everything (or just everything you personally want/need) for every prestige you go, but then you will probably be staying on that prestige for longer than necessary (staying at rank 100 for some time), and probably still not making much actual use of all the unlocks you grinded for. Which feels... pointless. And also frustrating and annoying. And you will not be prestiging that often because of that.

Or you can prestige super quickly without worrying about most unlocks, and only get the stuff you really need/want the most this prestige. Which is ok I guess, but then you are effectively locking yourself away from much of the game´s content (weapon variants and the gameplay options they provide) for a very, very long time.

I agree unlocking should stay, but I will argue that the XP amounts to unlock each variant should be reduced, because as things are now, you cannot even remotely unlock everything (or even most things tbh) in a sensible manner per prestige.

I get where you're coming from, and i can feel the annoyance in some unlock trees as well, I think the most sensible change would be to let us use all EP we got for the weapon and not have us waste each portion of EP that is earned exceeding the needed amount for the next unlock.
(This is the main problem that makes unlocking things so tedious, because if you have a good game, half of the EP you earned, if not more, is wasted. The EP numbers aren't even that high.
The highest amount of EP for unlock is 3000, the average playerkill earns 400 EP, that makes 7,5 playerkills for a 3000 EP unlock, 5 player kills for a 2000 EP unlock, etc., that is no AI and no Boss kill with that weapon either)

And the choice between having an allround unlocked Bloodline and having a high prestige level but having to continually work on unlocks is part of how they wanted prestige to be (and to some extent I can agree with that)

The Problem i see here often is a problem of interest, people want to prestige (for the bragging rights) but don't want to put the effort into it.

So no the unlock system is not perfect there need to be tweaks, but many tweaks suggested would just make it too easy. Some of the unlock chains are tedious to unlock (especially the weapons that miss melee or have it as the last unlock) but for the weapon i see the most comments about (the mosin) it is good as it is, as the mosin is the overall strongest weapon in the game and to get all the specializations for it all willy-nilly just doesn't make sense.
eW.MonitorZero Jul 16, 2020 @ 6:46am 
Yeah the change was really unneeded. Hopefully they revert they'll revert the change at some point.
TAsme Jul 16, 2020 @ 7:17am 
For those who havent realized - unlocking the variants is superfast and easy. 2 Games from Conversion pistol to the uppercut - no problem.

When you are asking your teammates to run the same branch of weapon that you wanna unlock - you´ll get the same amount of XP that they do, onto your weapon. And "bam" - teamwork and being a little nice to your comrads can make things easy ;)

I do prestige a lot and never had a problem, getting to those weaponvariants i want to have unlocked - and its even faster then grinding through your bloodline.
Last edited by TAsme; Jul 16, 2020 @ 7:19am
Originally posted by TAsme:
For those who havent realized - unlocking the variants is superfast and easy. 2 Games from Conversion pistol to the uppercut - no problem.

When you are asking your teammates to run the same branch of weapon that you wanna unlock - you´ll get the same amount of XP that they do, onto your weapon. And "bam" - teamwork and being a little nice to your comrads can make things easy ;)

I do prestige a lot and never had a problem, getting to those weaponvariants i want to have unlocked - and its even faster then grinding through your bloodline.

Do you have any source about this?
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Date Posted: Jul 15, 2020 @ 11:40pm
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