Dual Pistols should've had their fire rate capped at times two being the max

[Spiffyo™]

Bit dumb and annoying to fight players being able to shoot over double their base fire rate cause they took a second pistol. And before you say they already nerfed the ammo cap on them to only being tied to one pistol, that was due to the issue that taking 30 long ammo shots on with the avto and having them increase the ammo gained from boxes to be a whole avto clip, the way they still play doesn't care for the excess ammo as you still have a whole clip in reserve to refill them.

[RNG Enjoyer]

Don't expect much love regarding your problem because dual wielding becomes obsolete at low 4 stars.

[Misery]

Originally posted by LordHater:

Don't expect much love regarding your problem because dual wielding becomes obsolete at low 4 stars.

Does it? Still works in 5 stars most of the time as secondary.

[Rubberpalm]

dual pistol got recently hit by a not intended (i guess) nerf from the amo rework, that basicly halfes their amo count which made them less usefull since you cant spamm them that much, that the only thing they where good for with fmj, now they are kinda on the bad site no need to nerf them even more, should be okay until mid 5 stars tho, where the sweat beginns.
at least it works for me out but only conversions , or scottfields.
dual pistols are only deadly on low midrange, since on low range a shotgun will blow you up and everything above 25+m will just outrange and get more hits or good headshots, so basicly you have to play between 10~ and 25~ meters to be efficient with dual pistols, no need to nerf them even more.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

They already ARE capped at 2x speed. xD

[Antpile]

Originally posted by Aristocratic Cthulhu:

They already ARE capped at 2x speed. xD

Yeah, totally insane post. You are holding two pistols. They don't shoot any faster, you just have two of them alternating their shots with absolutely normal fire rates.

[Caesar]

Originally posted by Antpile:

Originally posted by Aristocratic Cthulhu:

They already ARE capped at 2x speed. xD

Yeah, totally insane post. You are holding two pistols. They don't shoot any faster, you just have two of them alternating their shots with absolutely normal fire rates.

Not sure if this is still accurate, but I just leave this here;
https://youtu.be/U-jmZJ_wVDA?t=31
TLDR; Dual wielding actually IS (or was?) faster than 2x speed.

[Antpile]

Originally posted by Caesar:

Originally posted by Antpile:

Yeah, totally insane post. You are holding two pistols. They don't shoot any faster, you just have two of them alternating their shots with absolutely normal fire rates.

Not sure if this is still accurate, but I just leave this here;
https://youtu.be/U-jmZJ_wVDA?t=31

I mean, when he compares the chain pistol to the standard caldwell conversion, he talks about how the chain shoots a little faster. Problem is he then highlights the recoil, not the fire rate. That's a pretty rookie mistake. The fire rate is clearly exactly the same in that same frame as well, right above the recoil stat he is highlighting.

As for accuracy, in every clip where he's shooting monsters accurately he is firing very slowly. About the same fire rate, maybe even a tad slower, than you could fire rifles that would be 100% accurate instead of mostly kinda sometimes usually accurate if I'm standing completely still and shooting really slow.

Don't get me wrong, dualies are good at close range. They CAN sometimes work at medium and longer ranges, but in pretty much every case you'd rather just be shooting a vetterli or something in that situation. With iron sharpshooter it'd be pretty much the same fire rate that the pistols would need to maintain any accuracy, except, you know... actually accurate. Way better damage falloff as well.

Up close dualies fall somewhere between a shotgun and a double action pistol. Less accurate than a single nagant officer, new army, or spitfire... but more deadly if things get real close. Get too close, though, and now a shotgun will kill you in 1 shot while you need 2.

[Caesar]

Originally posted by Antpile:

Originally posted by Caesar:

Not sure if this is still accurate, but I just leave this here;
https://youtu.be/U-jmZJ_wVDA?t=31

I mean, when he compares the chain pistol to the standard caldwell conversion, he talks about how the chain shoots a little faster. Problem is he then highlights the recoil, not the fire rate. That's a pretty rookie mistake. The fire rate is clearly exactly the same in that same frame as well, right above the recoil stat he is highlighting.

I did not analyze it frame by frame, but it does seem faster to me.
Not sure where he got those stats from (0:44), but if those are legit then it's faster;
44 rpm (single) compared to 130 rpm (dual).

And he's not even using the chain pistol, so not sure what you're talking about there, he's using the default Caldwell Conversion Pistol for single as well as dual wield.

Don't really care about the accuracy stuff btw, cus that's off-topic.
I mainly posted the video for the rate of fire comparison (timestamp roughly 0:30 to 1:30).

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

I need to retract my previous statement. Dualies do in fact still get a cycle time buff per individual pistol and it's a massive one. The Conversion/Pax go from 1.4 on a single to 1.1 on dualies and the Nagant S goes from 1.5 on a single to 1.1 on dualies. You can check this by using the skins that are meant to go together on these guns as that will give you a seperate weapon icon where you can see the actual dualie stats.

Since the other pistols don't have skins that do the same thing I can't check those but I'm certain they profit from this as well. And no, using the standard skins doesn't let you get the dualie icon anymore.

Edit: Turns out you can also do this on the LeMat. That one goes from 1.3 to 1.1.

[Caesar]

Originally posted by Aristocratic Cthulhu:

I need to retract my previous statement. Dualies do in fact still get a cycle time buff per individual pistol and it's a massive one. The Conversion/Pax go from 1.4 on a single to 1.1 on dualies and the Nagant S goes from 1.5 on a single to 1.1 on dualies. You can check this by using the skins that are meant to go together on these guns as that will give you a seperate weapon icon where you can see the actual dualie stats.

Since the other pistols don't have skins that do the same thing I can't check those but I'm certain they profit from this as well. And no, using the standard skins doesn't let you get the dualie icon anymore.

Edit: Turns out you can also do this on the LeMat. That one goes from 1.3 to 1.1.

That's pretty interesting, & yeah it's a huge buff indeed.
Thanks for clearing that up & doing some research.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Originally posted by Caesar:

Originally posted by Aristocratic Cthulhu:

I need to retract my previous statement. Dualies do in fact still get a cycle time buff per individual pistol and it's a massive one. The Conversion/Pax go from 1.4 on a single to 1.1 on dualies and the Nagant S goes from 1.5 on a single to 1.1 on dualies. You can check this by using the skins that are meant to go together on these guns as that will give you a seperate weapon icon where you can see the actual dualie stats.

Since the other pistols don't have skins that do the same thing I can't check those but I'm certain they profit from this as well. And no, using the standard skins doesn't let you get the dualie icon anymore.

Edit: Turns out you can also do this on the LeMat. That one goes from 1.3 to 1.1.

That's pretty interesting, & yeah it's a huge buff indeed.
Thanks for clearing that up & doing some research.

Found out that the Dolch also has matching skins. It's cycle time actually gets worse and goes from 0.4 to 0.6. Another point against ever dual wielding Dolchs. xD