Hunt: Showdown 1896

Hunt: Showdown 1896

AYO WTF Oct 30, 2023 @ 10:38pm
PING ISSUE SINCE 26.10.2023
Hey, I'm located in Dubai, UAE. Typically, I play on European servers since they're the closest to my location. The ping and delays on these servers are usually around 125-150ms, which isn't great but it's the best I can get. However, starting from October 26, 2023, these values have shot up to 260-290ms. This has resulted in the EU servers being blocked within the game. Now, the closest and only available servers for me are in the RUSSIA region, with ping values ranging from 170-200ms.

Initially, I suspected that the issue might be with my internet service provider. However, on closer inspection, it's clear that the problem is related to the hosting through which traffic to your servers passes, or where these servers are hosted.

I attempted a traceroute, and here's what I found:

Tracing route to ded215-lv-lw-eu.huntshowdown.com [178.162.195.223]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms 192.168.24.1
2 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.20.120.1
3 2 ms * * 172.16.0.253
4 5 ms * * 10.142.57.153
5 6 ms 7 ms 6 ms 10.142.57.153
6 7 ms 7 ms 8 ms 10.100.34.78
7 133 ms 134 ms 128 ms peering.thn.lon.leaseweb.net [195.66.225.56]
8 128 ms 121 ms 143 ms po-51.agg02.ams-01.leaseweb.net [31.31.34.22]
9 135 ms 135 ms 144 ms et-53-1.agg01.fra-12.leaseweb.net [31.31.34.91]
10 150 ms 150 ms 150 ms et-51-1.agg01.fra-12.leaseweb.net [31.31.34.27]
11 272 ms * * po-02.ce20.fra-01.de.leaseweb.net [212.95.37.81]
12 274 ms 274 ms 278 ms po-01.ce19.fra-01.de.leaseweb.net [212.95.37.75]
13 265 ms 271 ms 271 ms 178.162.195.223
Trace complete.

The nearest European router for me is hosted by leaseweb.net, and the ping to it is a standard 120-150ms. However, when I looked further into this hosting provider, the values between AMS (Amsterdam) and FRA (Frankfurt) jump to 270ms, while the latency between AMS and FRA should ideally be no more than 5-15ms.

I reached out to leaseweb.net support, but I'm not their client, and I doubt they will respond to me.
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Duncan.Idaho (Banned) Oct 31, 2023 @ 7:22am 
Originally posted by XoXJlywKo:
H...I reached out to leaseweb.net support, but I'm not their client, and I doubt they will respond to me....

You can find information about his on the Official Hunt discord channel if you search for it. It has been discussed much.

Some players report having success with a VPN, using it to change their data's route.

Crytek support is a good idea as well, but will take its time. I recommend both.
Caesar Oct 31, 2023 @ 7:48am 
Originally posted by Terrifier 3 - Server Performance:
I see another person replied but as I have that account blocked I don't see it.

However I don't need to see it to know what it says.

Changing routes is going to do absolutely nothing.

Anyone that cannot understand how a trace and it's results work, should not be giving out Networking advice
To be fair, that's not what he said;
You can find information about his on the Official Hunt discord channel if you search for it. It has been discussed much.

Some players report having success with a VPN, using it to change their data's route.

Crytek support is a good idea as well, but will take its time. I recommend both.
@OP;
Using a VPN might indeed work.
Apart from that, sent Crytek a support ticket (though I doubt they will/"can" do anything about it).
It's a Leaseweb/ISP problem & Crytek knows that.
Those ISPs claim it's Cryteks/Leasewebs fault, while Crytek/Leaseweb blames it on the ISPs.
Last edited by Caesar; Oct 31, 2023 @ 7:56am
Duncan.Idaho (Banned) Oct 31, 2023 @ 7:49am 
Originally posted by Terrifier 3 - Server Performance:
I see another person replied but as I have that account blocked I don't see it.

However I don't need to see it to know what it says.

Changing routes is going to do absolutely nothing.

The problem is clear as day inside the Leaseweb infrastructure and totally out of anyone's hands but Crytek to get in touch with Leaseweb and sort it out

Anyone that cannot understand how a trace and it's results work, should not be giving out Networking advice

......,..............

6 7 ms 7 ms 8 ms 10.100.34.78
7 133 ms 134 ms 128 ms peering.thn.lon.leaseweb.net [195.66.225.56]
8 128 ms 121 ms 143 ms po-51.agg02.ams-01.leaseweb.net [31.31.34.22]
9 135 ms 135 ms 144 ms et-53-1.agg01.fra-12.leaseweb.net [31.31.34.91]
10 150 ms 150 ms 150 ms et-51-1.agg01.fra-12.leaseweb.net [31.31.34.27]
11 272 ms * * po-02.ce20.fra-01.de.leaseweb.net [212.95.37.81]
12 274 ms 274 ms 278 ms po-01.ce19.fra-01.de.leaseweb.net [212.95.37.75]
13 265 ms 271 ms 271 ms 178.162.195.223
Trace complete


Should read the discord.
AYO WTF Oct 31, 2023 @ 7:56am 
Yes, that's indeed true.

I conducted some new tests from my own VPN gateways in Amsterdam (AMS) and Saint-Petersburg (SPB), and here's what I observed:

AMS:
tracepath ded215-lv-lw-eu.huntshowdown.com 1?: [LOCALHOST] pmtu 1500 1: gw.ipv4.layer6.net 0.599ms 1: gw.ipv4.layer6.net 1.007ms 2: leaseweb.evoswitch.nl-ix.net 1.723ms 3: po-31.agg01.ams-01.leaseweb.net 3.444ms 4: et-53-1.agg01.fra-12.leaseweb.net 9.155ms 5: be-112.br02.fra-01.leaseweb.net 8.454ms asymm 6 6: po-01.ce20.fra-01.de.leaseweb.net 8.442ms asymm 7 7: 178.162.195.223 8.258ms !H Resume: pmtu 1500

SPB:
Tracing route to ded215-lv-lw-eu.huntshowdown.com [178.162.195.223] over a maximum of 30 hops: ... 6 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms spb-sel-cr2.ae61-2159.rascom.as20764.net [80.64.103.132] 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 29 ms 29 ms 29 ms LWB.frm-nt-cr2.rascom.as20764.net [81.27.241.219] 9 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms be-113.br02.fra-01.leaseweb.net [31.31.34.219] 10 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms po-02.ce19.fra-01.de.leaseweb.net [212.95.37.79] 11 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms 178.162.195.223 Trace complete.

As you can see, the same hosting provider is used, but there's a significant difference in latency. It's almost certain that the problem lies within the Leaseweb infrastructure, especially in their routing policies. I'm quite surprised that they haven't fixed this issue since October 26, 2023.

I've already opened a trouble ticket with Crytek, but there's been no response. So, I decided to bring up this problem here. -_-
Caesar Oct 31, 2023 @ 7:56am 
Originally posted by Duncan.Idaho:
Originally posted by Caesar:
just side step relative to their target knowing that the hit box will not be on their player.

The official word is its a problem with "some" isp markets.
I think you got that quote mixed up somehow :lunar2019laughingpig:
But yeah, you're right.
Those ISPs claim it's Cryteks/Leasewebs fault, while Crytek/Leaseweb blames it on the ISPs.
(Edited my other post to make it more clear).
Last edited by Caesar; Oct 31, 2023 @ 8:01am
Duncan.Idaho (Banned) Oct 31, 2023 @ 8:01am 
Originally posted by Terrifier 3 - Server Performance:
...Crytek can't do much about it either barring report it to Leaseweb....





Then why do you suppose they said they were going set up new infrastructure options next year in those specific effected ISP markets?

It looks like they can do something about it to me. It just wasn't easy (like they said in the beginning lol) What do you think of that?
Last edited by Duncan.Idaho; Oct 31, 2023 @ 8:09am
Caesar Oct 31, 2023 @ 8:07am 
Originally posted by XoXJlywKo:
I'm quite surprised that they haven't fixed this issue since October 26, 2023.
This issue has actually been known/mentioned for a few years.
Originally posted by Terrifier 3 - Server Performance:
Crytek can't do much about it either barring report it to Leaseweb.
I mean they could've made some more pressure, or change the server provider or whatever.
Apparently they wanna fix this issue soon-ish (by setting up some new infrastructures (like Duncan mentioned)) but honestly took them way too long - in my opinion.
Last edited by Caesar; Nov 1, 2023 @ 2:41pm
Dave (Banned) Oct 31, 2023 @ 8:33am 
Originally posted by Caesar:
Originally posted by XoXJlywKo:
I'm quite surprised that they haven't fixed this issue since October 26, 2023.
This issue has actually been known/mentioned for a few years.
Originally posted by Terrifier 3 - Server Performance:
Crytek can't do much about it either barring report it to Leaseweb.
I mean they could've made some more pressure, or change the server provide or whateverr.
Apparently they wanna fix this issue soon-ish (by setting up some new infrastructures (like Duncan mentioned)) but honestly took them way too long - in my opinion.

I'm holding out on hope on it as ive been having issues for years. Soley with Hunt Showdown only.

They could have gotten out of the contract I imagine with Leaseweb due to technical issues, but Crytek look to be the only bigger name gaming company that use Leaseweb so sure Leaseweb give them a good deal for being a long-term customer.

I really hope that they do sort out the issues, they are obviously known as they even mentioned it in the Road Map as mentioned

I love the game but my experience of it is simply ruined at "random" times being plauged with network issues that are absolutely nothing to do with my home LAN.
AYO WTF Nov 1, 2023 @ 12:33pm 
hey guys,

Funny, but it looks like Crytek support literally doesn't know how networks work. 😄

Here is the response:
"""
Hi Maksim Alov,
Thanks for your report.
From this traceroute, it sounds like you are being routed through private network for more hops than normal, in fact until hop 6 they are seemingly all private IPs.
Could you please contact your ISP, and ask them if they can assist you with this?
We hope for your patience and understanding.

Best Regards,
Blakki73
"""

I've worked in a senior network engineer position for about ten years, and this really amuses me. 😄 Sometimes, it's better to remain silent than to provide answers like that.
Caesar Nov 1, 2023 @ 2:59pm 
Originally posted by XoXJlywKo:
hey guys,

Funny, but it looks like Crytek support literally doesn't know how networks work. 😄

Here is the response:
From this traceroute, it sounds like you are being routed through private network for more hops than normal, in fact until hop 6 they are seemingly all private IPs.
Could you please contact your ISP, and ask them if they can assist you with this?
I kind of expected such a reply (unfortunately).

Correct me if I am wrong or if I did misunderstood something (because I only have a limited understanding if it comes to such things, hence I am no expert) BUT lets just pretend those first 6 hops "are seemingly all private IPs", it shouldn't really matter (as in that's not the cause of the issue), because those first 6 hops all have a very low ms/response-time.
Therefore, to me, their response makes no sense at all.

Thanks for the heads up though.
Last edited by Caesar; Nov 1, 2023 @ 3:10pm
AYO WTF Nov 2, 2023 @ 12:19am 
Basically, hops are just routers through which IP packets travel when trying to reach their destination.

It doesn't matter how many hops an IP packet takes inside an ISP network because you might not know which technologies your ISP uses within the network. It can involve L3 circuits (which can result in more hops) or MPLS/QinQ, or something similar that leads to fewer hops because it operates at the L2 network level, and you don't see each hop. But, as I mentioned, the number of hops within a single city doesn't significantly affect latency. The difference in hops between ISPs is what matters because it involves BGP peering between carriers and can affect the routing.

In my case, the latency inside my ISP network is between 1-8ms. When a packet reaches Europe, the latency starts at around 130ms, which is acceptable for connectivity between the UAE and the EU due to the geographical distance. However, as we can see next, inside one hosting provider between two hops (31.31.34.27 and 212.95.37.81), there is a significant difference. It seems like a problem within the LeaseWeb hosting provider. It could be a routing policy issue, or LeaseWeb, with its different data centers worldwide, might be routing IP packets incorrectly. It's possible that my packet is being routed from the EU to Asia or the US, but I can't say for sure; this is just a guess
Washboard Nov 2, 2023 @ 12:55am 
Originally posted by XoXJlywKo:
Basically, hops are just routers through which IP packets travel when trying to reach their destination.

It doesn't matter how many hops an IP packet takes inside an ISP network because you might not know which technologies your ISP uses within the network. It can involve L3 circuits (which can result in more hops) or MPLS/QinQ, or something similar that leads to fewer hops because it operates at the L2 network level, and you don't see each hop. But, as I mentioned, the number of hops within a single city doesn't significantly affect latency. The difference in hops between ISPs is what matters because it involves BGP peering between carriers and can affect the routing.

In my case, the latency inside my ISP network is between 1-8ms. When a packet reaches Europe, the latency starts at around 130ms, which is acceptable for connectivity between the UAE and the EU due to the geographical distance. However, as we can see next, inside one hosting provider between two hops (31.31.34.27 and 212.95.37.81), there is a significant difference. It seems like a problem within the LeaseWeb hosting provider. It could be a routing policy issue, or LeaseWeb, with its different data centers worldwide, might be routing IP packets incorrectly. It's possible that my packet is being routed from the EU to Asia or the US, but I can't say for sure; this is just a guess

Ouch, you’re going to upset Duncan ;)

But yeah, I’ve worked support jobs and if i didn’t understand something I’d ask for a expert opinion (escalation)… the fact Crytek support are just trying to let it slide off their backs and deflect the blame to isps with a scripted answer has always seemed deliberate… they know the problem is servers but won’t do anything (tinfoil hat time :))
Caesar Nov 2, 2023 @ 2:33am 
Alright, got it.
Thanks for clearing that up @XoXJlywKo

Originally posted by Washboard:
they know the problem is servers but won’t do anything
Seems like it.
It's a shame really.
Bicycle Thief Nov 2, 2023 @ 10:00am 
RU server - both me and my teammates have gone from 50 ping to 140-200 since today. Great servers, Crytek.
Duncan.Idaho (Banned) Nov 2, 2023 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by Terrifier 3 - Server Performance:
Why have my posts been deleted?

Shouldn't you be the one telling us?
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