Long ammo has no downside

[Anonym]

lets be honest, compact and medium ammo has no real use in 6 stars lobbies

Mosin and Lebel are fast enough rifles to make winfield worthless. Can deal high dmg and kill on hs unlike winfield and any other compact ammo rifle.

So what about removing compact and medium ammo and just replace them with long ammo so we change meta for a bit?

[geordiebroon58]

Messaggio originale di Anonym:

Messaggio originale di RenTGen:

Rachta will literraly pick you off with a derringer

Who would expect a guy who has no life and dedicated his entire lifetime for one game to be good, what a shocking comment

people who enjoy and spend a lot of their time playing said game?

most good players gain it from natural tallent over an extended period learning and enjoying a game

only something like CS GO do you need to go out your way to learn recoil patterns

[Dookie Cough]

Messaggio originale di Anonym:

lets be honest, compact and medium ammo has no real use in 6 stars lobbies

Mosin and Lebel are fast enough rifles to make winfield worthless. Can deal high dmg and kill on hs unlike winfield and any other compact ammo rifle.

So what about removing compact and medium ammo and just replace them with long ammo so we change meta for a bit?

pretty sure the downsides are 1) you need bullet grubber for most long ammo rifles or youre losing a few bullets whenever you wanna top off and be 100% ready. 2) the cadwell long ammos are slow as ♥♥♥♥ to reload so your pretty much brown bread if your reloading that monster and only took long ammo guns. 3) you only get 2 bullets per ammo box campared to the 4 or 6 of the other ammo types. 4) the max amount of long ammo you can have is like a low 20s so youre forced to accually hit the targets and not blind fire or attempt wallbangs unless your sure. compact ammo gets close to like 50 even with special ammo, and mediums are in the 30s.
everygun can 1 hit headshot so its not like they have an exclusive market on headshotting at certain distances, think the max headshot range like 400m with the nitro but....whos going for headshots with that let alone at that range, headshots are super common beyond like 100m so every gun is deffinatly headshot viable when going up agenst long ammo besides the obvious shotguns

[KopiCPeng]

Messaggio originale di Dr. Ghost:

tbh, ppl complain about every gun for every reason. ive been playing the game since like 2017 before its full release and its changed a lot but... ppl still complain about

shotguns
melee weapons
poison
long ammo
auto mosins
environment being too OP
not enough ways to make $
being bad at the game and going against ppl who are good

the common denominator in all of these complaints:

skill issue

Could've sword someone complained about compact ammo being op by being able to bring 30+ ammo and leverring >_>

[heinrich.k.1985]

The main downside is limited capacity and slow fire rate.

[Buntkreuz]

Ofcourse small and middle ammo can headshot, even on quite high range.
Long ammo is scarce, you get less for it (although admittedly its laying around everywhere anyway).
Higher recoil, less control.
Expensive, although i dont care because you pretty much swim in money all the time.
Ammo capacity for carriage is low too, which means more supply runs and shorter battle times.
You cant spam shots to suppress enemies like a Winfield can.
Firerate is worse.

Thats just the first few downsides.
I personally like a long ammo type weapon, but prefer small.
Medium is frequently ignored by me except for the Pax, which i think is an overlooked and far superior weapon to other medium or even long ammo weapons.
I think there arent enough good medium ammo choices.
But well, thats true for long ammo too.
Small is key currently, with the amount of choices you have with it.
Which is the other downside, you dont have much choice in terms of weapons with long ammo.

I like short ammo because with some coordination and movement you can win on attrition.
Enemies keep spamming their long ammo until they have nothing left, have to go for supplies but cant, because you bind them at the location with 3 times the amount of ammo.

[CornedBeef]

Messaggio originale di RenTGen:

Rachta will literraly pick you off with a derringer

He will until the next time he gets banned by the anti-cheat. But then crytek will unban him again in a couple days because they can't have one of their most popular streamers cheating.

[Peter Panzy]

Messaggio originale di Dr. Ghost:

the downside is that all long ammo weapons are extremely expensive. most smaller ammunition types are extremely budget friendly,

There really is no better feeling than dropping a Expensive Long Ammo Boi with my dirt cheap Xbow or winnie.... then just let that those expensive guns just rot in the swamp mud

[FeaR]

Well... Putting all the things possible into the game, i think we have some good balance.

We need to remember that game needs to works somewhat good for everyone... The reference of guns and their usability differs along rop levels.

A Mosin can be VERY expensive for a 1 star player, but almost nothing for a 6 star player.
Romero in other hand can be very unforgiving a 1 star, but reliable to a 6 star on top of being very cheap.

If you arent a very skiled player, bolt actions guns dont have ''levering'' to deal with less precise shots at closer distances... And if you get too close, your very expensive loadout can be ''one shoted'' by a Romero inside the compound... LoL

[Jouue]

as I can see your comments section, all you have to do is git gud lol

[Triafaye]

Long ammo downsides:
Lower rate of fire
Higher recoil
Less ammo
Less impactful custom ammo variants
Frequent reload, with most weapons requiring bullet grabber/ repeat cycle
Expensive

Do not get me wrong, long ammo, the way its balanced, can provide the safest way to play the game with it's consistent damage over distance and is extremely strong, yet it comes with downsides.

I do get your point with the Winfield tho. The Krag is just ever so slightly slower than a Winfield, it's barely on match. But Officer Carbine alone is one of the best weapons if you are good at clicking heads and long ammo revolvers are bad at fanning.

I also agree to medium being to weak but Crytek does not seem to think so. It got adressed so many times, yet there is no change in sight.

[BLACKcOPstRIPPa]

Messaggio originale di Triafaye:

Long ammo downsides:
Lower rate of fire
Higher recoil
Less ammo
Less impactful custom ammo variants
Frequent reload, with most weapons requiring bullet grabber/ repeat cycle
Expensive

Do not get me wrong, long ammo, the way its balanced, can provide the safest way to play the game with it's consistent damage over distance and is extremely strong, yet it comes with downsides.

I do get your point with the Winfield tho. The Krag is just ever so slightly slower than a Winfield, it's barely on match. But Officer Carbine alone is one of the best weapons if you are good at clicking heads and long ammo revolvers are bad at fanning.

I also agree to medium being to weak but Crytek does not seem to think so. It got adressed so many times, yet there is no change in sight.

All of this is SOO True.
There are ups and downs to everything and thats the balance in the game.
Cost and these ups and downs, but the beautiful part is its hunt, the game is about skill more or less, not picking the right weapon after a patch. This isn't call of duty or battlefield where 1 gun is way better at EVERYTHING and you just need to find that one gun to become a 6 star player.

[Spiffyo™]

Messaggio originale di Triafaye:

Long ammo downsides:
Lower rate of fire
Higher recoil
Less ammo
Less impactful custom ammo variants
Frequent reload, with most weapons requiring bullet grabber/ repeat cycle
Expensive

Do not get me wrong, long ammo, the way its balanced, can provide the safest way to play the game with it's consistent damage over distance and is extremely strong, yet it comes with downsides.

I do get your point with the Winfield tho. The Krag is just ever so slightly slower than a Winfield, it's barely on match. But Officer Carbine alone is one of the best weapons if you are good at clicking heads and long ammo revolvers are bad at fanning.

I also agree to medium being to weak but Crytek does not seem to think so. It got adressed so many times, yet there is no change in sight.

I've held the opinion that the fire rate is negligible due to the slower fire rate being no slower then .2 seconds to .7 seconds from compact unless you count the spamfire options, it can affect a fight but only like 2 out of 10 times, and with speed loaders it makes it obsolete for the Mosin, Berthier, and Krag.

Higher Recoil is a downside that can be noticeable, but High Velocity also causes this and the slower fire rate can be an upside as the time to reposition your crosshair is enough for doing so, only Spitzer has very noticeable kick.

Less ammo is also a legitimate downside, but people tend to carry spamfire pistols to mitigate these issues while the absolute lowest ammo count for a gun is the krag which is 14 and is basically Medium Ammo+, and at higher skills the lower ammo count is a nonfactor thanks to the velocity of Long Ammo allowing more reliable shots.

So I guess Spitzer isn't a big deal(Penning more targets, super charged velocity with losing reliable oneshotting on already downed players and higher recoil) and Incendiary being able to burn targets within 40 Meters also doesn't matter which can lead to a reliable twoshot.

I got nothing for this one, it's the one actual downside thats a downside because you'll lose a bullet if you don't have the trait. Though Speedloaders make the Mosin and Berthier a non factor, and for Krag it allows you to half load if your in a pinch.

With all that said, I've felt that either Long Ammo should start at 2 second fire rate(With Krag being ticked to 1.6 seconds instead of 1.4) or Compact should be at most fired in 1 second intervals and Medium Ammo having damage drop at 30M, because while Long Ammo is pricey, money is easy to get and its at best a stopgap from buying the minimal downside weapons or at worst a nonfactor.