What are your thoughts about the Avtomat ?

[The Dreams Breaker]

Would be great if we get an update making the Avto using special ammo.

Here's my words : Me and my friends got a lot of playtime ont this game (around 2500/3000 each) and we're constantly playing in a high 5 stars / low 6 stars MMR games.
And oh god I swear there's not a single game without an Avto team since the double sparks pistol have ben released and this is a real issue. I play this game every single day and there's no one where I havent seen Avto at least 2/3 games.

Even if this weapon is kinda a meme by itself, nobody can argue or convince me about the fact that this isn't one of the strongest weapon in game when you're fighting in compound (still being able to kill people in open fields at 70m+ with 2 good rifle bursts anyway ...)

Having a fully automatic weapon in a bolt action game ? Kinda strange. Making this weapon deal as much damage as any other rifles of its category ? Woaa, looks a little bit busted tbh. Adding the cheapest long ammo gun, granting an ammo pool of 2 fully loaded magazine for this weapon ? Seems pretty balanced.

I mean there is absolutely no more fun builds, I havent seen a Vetterli or some exotic stuff since decades. It looks likes we're the only one here going some crazy builds times to times but nine time out of ten we get annihilate by some Avto or top tiers loadouts. I got this game when it was in pre-alpha and i feel like it was maybe harder but still way more fun because people weren't so sweaty and gunfights were more "accuracy rewarding".
All what matters now is to get the best META builds, dont play the objectives and only focus on PVP and get a nice KDA but I think that an other problem.

Despite being my absolute favorite game, this actual META is just an absolut nightmare and a game breaker in my opinion. If it goes this way without the devs doing anything I think I will just stop play at this point.

Tell me if you agree or not, I will be curious to know if you face the same sort of problems in lower / upper MMR matches.

May your hunts be rewarded Hunters.

[Steve]

I'm one of the friend with a lot of playtime, and ofc can't disagree with that statement. I've posted threads about how ridiculous an automatic weapon in this game could be, and these treads were older than the update with the possibility to get extra ammo pool with two Sparks pistols.
I won't argue here, I'm here to watch every other well written opinions that can matters (which means no "git gud" stupid comment), whether they or for or against my frtiend's opinion. Just a single reminder : We are aware that the META we are talking about happens mainly in upper brackets and can be totally different regarding the MMR bracket you are playing in; in that case, maybe you're not struggling with that META.

Thank you for not being dix in comment section, happy hunting

[Legate Lanius]

Totally agree, it's way too much now.

Having its special ammo as the nitro express would solve most of the complains.
Also it reloads ridiculously fast, doing one bullet at time reload may be another option, and in my opinion the recoil is very controllable, like too much controllable.

The problem is when experieced people uses it, when it's an average player using it, if you've got good cover you may be able to empty his clip and fight back, but if someone somewhat good at the game has the avto you're gone, and it doesn't matter the distance really.

[Suquor]

In my MMR, one encounters an avto only irregularly. Accordingly, this is something special - if you die, the Avto is to blame. If you kill the carrier, you are a little proud and usually take the Avto as a trophy.

Thus, the Avtomat is currently no problem for the gaming experience of my friends or me.

[Vidokas]

-reduce avto dmg 123 (same as krag)
-remove clip reload or greatly reduce reload time (just like dolch)
-reduce duel wield pistols ammo count to 150% instead of 200% and reduce spark pistol ammo count to 1/14. it would somewhat reduce duel wield chainpistols fmj ammo spam (rare occurrence)

or make it special ammo and add 10/15 extra ammo but keep reduced dmg and reduced reload time.

current problem is. that even if you don't die from avto you barely can push him because he's reloading too fast

[Der Guteste TTV]

Worst garbage in this game, at least one avto every game (EU, 6*). Just spam infinite ammo is the direction of the enemy, if you practice for 30min you can control the recoil easily and kill in one burst usually to 40+ m consistently. Needs special ammo asap.

[Henlooo]

Originally posted by Vidokas:

-reduce avto dmg 123 (same as krag)
-remove clip reload or greatly reduce reload time (just like dolch)
-reduce duel wield pistols ammo count to 150% instead of 200% and reduce spark pistol ammo count to 1/14. it would somewhat reduce duel wield chainpistols fmj ammo spam (rare occurrence)

or make it special ammo and add 10/15 extra ammo but keep reduced dmg and reduced reload time.

current problem is. that even if you don't die from avto you barely can push him because he's reloading too fast

*increase reload time

[Cypralax]

Idk what to say man, it's just.... very very toxic and it happen to me now.

Asia, Play random, Use CK & my team using bomb lance and rival
boss banish at chapel and we fight 2 team outside, we fight, PICK, RUSH.
no, we're not CAMP OR HIDING IN BUSH and we won after all.

One last team inside boss lair, using trap everywhere, not pick, not try to shoot us, they just stay inside blindly waiting for us to get inside, how it's end???
I throw flash, we're get inside and the avto f*cker just spam at us and kill all of us.

get killed by shotgun? no problem for me
get killed by bomb lance? no problem too, even I laugh on my own death because that was fun
get killed by sniper? from far away? so ♥♥♥♥♥ but it scope after all and still have no problem with that.
but getting killed by avto, the automatic gun with 15 bullet and high damage?? especially the one who stay inside, with lot of concertina, THAT'S SO F'ING STUPID AND F'ING ANNOYING!.

what's more funny? they bring avto like they're ready for a war, like they want to came at us and wipe us even when we're not in boss compound, but in reality they're not searching for us, they trying to kill and banish boss first.
When they found boss first, they suddenly became coward, and if we're still on another compound, fighting with other team, they run to extraction instantly, what's the point then??

idk what happen in EU or US,
but in Asia they cannot play after all, they're nothing without avto.

[NeuroticSlav]

Originally posted by Radin des bois:

Would be great if we get an update making the Avto using special ammo.

Here's my words : Me and my friends got a lot of playtime ont this game (around 2500/3000 each) and we're constantly playing in a high 5 stars / low 6 stars MMR games.
And oh god I swear there's not a single game without an Avto team since the double sparks pistol have ben released and this is a real issue. I play this game every single day and there's no one where I havent seen Avto at least 2/3 games.

Even if this weapon is kinda a meme by itself, nobody can argue or convince me about the fact that this isn't one of the strongest weapon in game when you're fighting in compound (still being able to kill people in open fields at 70m+ with 2 good rifle bursts anyway ...)

Having a fully automatic weapon in a bolt action game ? Kinda strange. Making this weapon deal as much damage as any other rifles of its category ? Woaa, looks a little bit busted tbh. Adding the cheapest long ammo gun, granting an ammo pool of 2 fully loaded magazine for this weapon ? Seems pretty balanced.

I mean there is absolutely no more fun builds, I havent seen a Vetterli or some exotic stuff since decades. It looks likes we're the only one here going some crazy builds times to times but nine time out of ten we get annihilate by some Avto or top tiers loadouts. I got this game when it was in pre-alpha and i feel like it was maybe harder but still way more fun because people weren't so sweaty and gunfights were more "accuracy rewarding".
All what matters now is to get the best META builds, dont play the objectives and only focus on PVP and get a nice KDA but I think that an other problem.

Despite being my absolute favorite game, this actual META is just an absolut nightmare and a game breaker in my opinion. If it goes this way without the devs doing anything I think I will just stop play at this point.

Tell me if you agree or not, I will be curious to know if you face the same sort of problems in lower / upper MMR matches.

May your hunts be rewarded Hunters.

"And oh god I swear there's not a single game without an Avto team since the double sparks" So? There is no single game without shotguns or long ammo rifle . Avto could use little bit of changes but lets not overblow this out of proportion.

[Honeymonstis]

the avto is a remnant from early Hunt when the game was setup as a unbalanced ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Unfortunately for us Crytek will never remove the weapon because they wasted time on creating it. But it does NOTHING for the game but ruining it.
>its impossible to balance
>It does not fit the time period at all (the weapon it is based on came much later and is not even based on a mosin)
>Its the biggest crutch in the game and has no drawbacks now with the sparks pistols out
but since it wont be removed I suggest these changes:
>revert the price back to 1500 (who the ♥♥♥♥ did you lower it in the first place Crytek??!)
>10 round magazine with 10 spare ammo
>Make it special ammo so you cant stack long ammo
That will make it less spam and less braindead to run. It will still be the strongest close to mid range weapon but its potential to wipe a full trio in one reload is limited due to only 10 rounds now.

[Rando the Crit Clown]

Change it from 15+0 long to 15+5 or maybe 15+10 special long, and making it reload slower wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't know why they made the dolch special medium (in addition to a bunch of other nerfs) but did nothing to the avtomat.

Originally posted by Hitsuran:

"And oh god I swear there's not a single game without an Avto team since the double sparks" So? There is no single game without shotguns or long ammo rifle . Avto could use little bit of changes but lets not overblow this out of proportion.

The avtomat is a long ammo rifle... You're comparing a single weapon to 2 of the 4 categories of weapons. Of course every game has someone using something from a list of half the weapons in the game.

[Karoleq]

co jesttt

[heinrich.k.1985]

My thought about the avto: it's an expensive piece of trash.
If you die to an avto, that's on you. Use a regular mosin, maintain a 80m+ distance from the avto user, and you'll be fine. Really, the avto is a piece of trash given its price.
Of course, there is no point nerfing it further.

[Kalvix]

Originally posted by heinrich.k.1985:

My thought about the avto: it's an expensive piece of trash.
If you die to an avto, that's on you. Use a regular mosin, maintain a 80m+ distance from the avto user, and you'll be fine. Really, the avto is a piece of trash given its price.
Of course, there is no point nerfing it further.

Ah of course just never ever let anybody get near you, man I wish I'd thought of that, I always see people using avtomats and shotguns and run right up to them. I didn't realise using them reduces your move speed by 50% making this completely 100% possible and easy.

Did you know that its actually easy to not die to any gun? all you need to do is always shoot them first before they see you and never be seen ever. See? I don't get why people have problems with anything in this game, the balance is 100% fine, just never ever be seen and it's all good.

[Rando the Crit Clown]

Originally posted by heinrich.k.1985:

My thought about the avto: it's an expensive piece of trash.
If you die to an avto, that's on you. Use a regular mosin, maintain a 80m+ distance from the avto user, and you'll be fine. Really, the avto is a piece of trash given its price.
Of course, there is no point nerfing it further.

Some people like to play the game instead of just sitting in a bush for 40 minutes.

[geordiebroon58]

Removing avto wont fix the meta issue, the issue isnt the weapon but rather the change of playerbase, people are play to win not play to fun

so even if the ato is nerfed that wont fix a meta problem, eople will just ove to the next best thing etc

as fpr the avto its self, as much as its on the busted side its sitting at one of the ost expensive loadouts and the ato is really useless without some reserve ammo

i think if it was supposed to sit at its own special / unique ammo type that could be restored at ammo at both box's and have 15/15 instead it would be more willing to be used but not as much reserve as it has because of a dule pistol combo

ammo box's or other items shouldnt be required to make a weapon valuble by default

if not then at least do SOMETHING about its reserve 10 special ammo ox's to restore reserve is a bit insane

i also still think the avto is still beaten by other lose range weapons like especially a shotgun

like sure the avto is rapid fire but they have to hit the target and not miss their shot and if rushed they are way more likely to miss

when i was running it (to test it) i had died to someone with a shotgun cause i hit their leg or only landed 1/3 shots