is bigger caliber=better

[Numberone1]

like if the caliber is bigger it penetrates more obstacles does more damage has less damage dropoff it should be better right

[dyra55]

Yeah but you can get more spare ammo with compact for example so there's a tradeoff

[Der Guteste TTV]

Pretty much. That being said, smaller caliber has a better firerate.

[DirtyMike-N-Thee'Boyzz]

Originally posted by Numberone1:

like if the caliber is bigger it penetrates more obstacles does more damage has less damage dropoff it should be better right

IMO when you consider most shots wont be a one hit / kill from a large (which usually only holds one in the chamber), medium makes more sense due to being able to follow up your hits

[The Sin Of Cain]

Theoretically, yes. Reality, no.

Small Caliber is the best right now due to spam (Levering, Fanning, Dualies, ect.) That and the fact the game forces you into CQC due to all points of interest being inside a compound (clues and bosses).

[Der Atzenkeeper]

Originally posted by The Sin Of Cain:

Small Caliber is the best right now

no

[yangysunrise]

When it comes to damage, penetration, and bullet speed, the larger calibers are better. The damage only really applies if you're aiming center mass, head shots help balance out the damage drop off on smaller calibers provided you're still within the one hit kill distance. The smaller the caliber is, they'll generally have a faster fire rate (the amount can vary per gun + equipped skills) and smaller calibers have significantly more excess ammo and recover more ammo from crates. Small and medium ammo are good if your aim isn't the best, or you end up in multiple fights back to back and don't have the opportunity to resupply.

If you're only fighting in compounds ammo type won't matter that much. Generally, medium ammo is enough to be effective across most distances inside a compound. Some compact secondaries can make up for damage fall-off by being semi-auto. The most notable ammo type difference you should worry about is bullet travel time and fire rate. If you believe enemies are too far for you to deal sizable damage on body shot, just aim exclusively for headshots, or try to maneuver closer if it can be done safely.

If you're bringing a shotgun, a secondary that's large or medium ammo would be best for long distance combat. If you bring a long rifle, a secondary like the nagant officer, caldwell new army, or bornheim compliment them well if you're forced to fight CQC. Those are all relatively cheap semi-auto guns that will 2 tap on chest (or 3 if you hit an arm). Just be mindful if you do bring those to try and remain slightly outside of shotgun range, lest you want to risk only getting one shot off or trading.

They all have pros and cons. I don't think any are objectively better than the rest honestly, they're all viable but you need to try and play firefights to your loadout's strength.

[The Sin Of Cain]

Originally posted by Der Atzenkeeper:

Originally posted by The Sin Of Cain:

Small Caliber is the best right now

no

Mind giving a reason why?

[Der Atzenkeeper]

Originally posted by The Sin Of Cain:

Originally posted by Der Atzenkeeper:

no

Mind giving a reason why?

spam is basically RNG and you shouldnt rely on that. also compact has a really really REALLY bd range

[Rando the Crit Clown]

Originally posted by Numberone1:

like if the caliber is bigger it penetrates more obstacles does more damage has less damage dropoff it should be better right

Bigger bullets have better damage dropoff and penetration than smaller bullets. They typically also have better damage & velocity. Guns that use smaller bullets typically have larger ammo reserves and better reload & firing speeds, but there are no inherent advantages like larger bullets have.

[NoName]

Originally posted by Der Atzenkeeper:

Originally posted by The Sin Of Cain:

Mind giving a reason why?

spam is basically RNG and you shouldnt rely on that. also compact has a really really REALLY bd range

RNG dont matter when you're 5 feet away from someone

[Rollout]

Originally posted by Rando the Crit Clown:

Originally posted by Numberone1:

like if the caliber is bigger it penetrates more obstacles does more damage has less damage dropoff it should be better right

Bigger bullets have better damage dropoff and penetration than smaller bullets. They typically also have better damage & velocity. Guns that use smaller bullets typically have larger ammo reserves and better reload & firing speeds, but there are no inherent advantages like larger bullets have.

well thats some of the things that makes a weapon good isnt it? if the compact ammo is more stable and can fire faster inside a compound then that might be the right tool for the job? you dont need a perfect pen at 30 m if you can pen with 6 shots in less than 5 seconds

[Der Atzenkeeper]

Originally posted by NoName:

Originally posted by Der Atzenkeeper:

spam is basically RNG and you shouldnt rely on that. also compact has a really really REALLY bd range

RNG dont matter when you're 5 feet away from someone

it does, eazypeazy when u miss all ur fanning shots and i knife u =)

[The Sin Of Cain]

Originally posted by NoName:

Originally posted by Der Atzenkeeper:

spam is basically RNG and you shouldnt rely on that. also compact has a really really REALLY bd range

RNG dont matter when you're 5 feet away from someone

Exactly, which is forced by the game by all points of interest being inside compounds. Unless you want spend the entire game sitting in a bush with a sniper, doing nothing for 20-30 minutes.

[AKOOMA]

long ammo rifles beat everything else if were talking skilled players.

Winfield with high velocity ammo is cracked for head shots. Winfield sniper with HV is good.

Medium ammo rifles are decent, the best one IMO being the winfield centennial

Shotguns at anything below 5* are a useless as most people with a brain just won't let you get close enough to use it. If you camp in a lair be prepared to waste 30 minutes of your life because the guys outside will do it happily.

[Bill Waggoner]

Originally posted by Numberone1:

like if the caliber is bigger it penetrates more obstacles does more damage has less damage dropoff it should be better right

Sort of. If you're using normal bullets.

When you start getting into the FMJ category, FMJ compact bullets gain the same, if not better penetration than long ammo, but lose speed. Long ammo maintains its damage over longer ranges.

In any case, here is a damage dropoff chart as of 1.10.

https://i.redd.it/3sxtg95zu6z91.jpg