[POLL] | BUFF the Dolch (Mauser C96) back ?

[Weidmann]

My thoughts about the dolch, since the nerf:

Dolch is
- not worth the money ($750), high invest with no benefit!
- needs mostly 3 hits to kill, sometimes even 4-5
- low ammo pool
- damage drop is way too high
- reload is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slow, as a granny with arthritis

overall
- performance doesn't fit the weapon history of the gun nor the price

WHY it should be buffed back again? ("Oh hell no, it gets OOOOOP dude" *whines in salt*):

- since introducing the scottfield spitfire, you got a fast firing & hard hitting pistol (medium ammo) for 108$ , which does nearly the same job, even better and get it quite often as a contrabanded from free hunters. It also gets a high ammo pool, because of sharing with other guns

- since introducing the new army pistol, you got a high fire rated small caliber pistol, which also hits really hard if you put FMJ on it. It also gets a high ammo pool, because of sharing with other guns


Dolch is the most modern pistol in the game and it should be in a top tier place, as it is a german engineered high performance pistol.

Before it gets OP, i guess the following things should be buffed:
1. faster reload - partial and full (stop the stupid granny reload)
2. ammo - as it is his own special ammo, please make a new symbol (not medium ammo)
3. sway - should stay as it is
4. damage - higher the damage to 108
5. damage drop off - starts a little bit later



// POLL //
1 - Agree
2 - Disagree

[dyra55]

Recoil was increased a lot during its many nerfs too, it deserved nerfs because it was one of the best pistols in the game, but now it's became kinda meh

[Weidmann]

Originally posted by dyra55:

Recoil was increased a lot during its many nerfs too, it deserved nerfs because it was one of the best pistols in the game, but now it's became kinda meh

yeah it doesn't need to be in the game at all right now, because spitfire/new army is way too good

[arji`]

1 .. absolute agreement :)

[Der Guteste TTV]

It's still a top tier option. Dolch before was a joke of all what stands for balancing, super easy to control and top in all other categories as well.
It was a better Winfield that uses levering firerate in ads with -1 slot (Dolch equals vandal, precision full size). Way to busted since it's supposed to be a secondary.

Since the nerf it's actually in a good place, still strong af (especially the dolchp, which is like normal old dolch) but one has to actully pace the shots for good accuracy. Let's not wake the sleeping demon what the busted af dolch once was, it's finally balanced after years.

[Honeymonstis]

no.... how about a poll about removing that piece of junk crutch gun from the game along with avto?
Its way way way more powerful than a spitfire but now it does take a little bit of skill to use. Its still very strong.

[DeGreZet]

Originally posted by Feldjäger:

My thoughts about the dolch, since the nerf:

Dolch is
- not worth the money ($750), high invest with no benefit!
- needs mostly 3 hits to kill, sometimes even 4-5
- low ammo pool
- damage drop is way too high
- reload is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slow, as a granny with arthritis

overall
- performance doesn't fit the weapon history of the gun nor the price

WHY it should be buffed back again? ("Oh hell no, it gets OOOOOP dude" *whines in salt*):

- since introducing the scottfield spitfire, you got a fast firing & hard hitting pistol (medium ammo) for 108$ , which does nearly the same job, even better and get it quite often as a contrabanded from free hunters. It also gets a high ammo pool, because of sharing with other guns

- since introducing the new army pistol, you got a high fire rated small caliber pistol, which also hits really hard if you put FMJ on it. It also gets a high ammo pool, because of sharing with other guns


Dolch is the most modern pistol in the game and it should be in a top tier place, as it is a german engineered high performance pistol.

Before it gets OP, i guess the following things should be buffed:
1. faster reload - partial and full (stop the stupid granny reload)
2. ammo - as it is his own special ammo, please make a new symbol (not medium ammo)
3. sway - should stay as it is
4. damage - higher the damage to 108
5. damage drop off - starts a little bit later



// POLL //
1 - Agree
2 - Disagree

true, Dolch was great but expensive counter for spamming no-skills with chain pistol + fanning, which is totally no justified to be pocket avtomat with fmj for 100$...

somehow they decided to nerf 750$ gun instead, because they are listening to this noobish playerbase(they pay more probably)

[Curithane]

1. Agreed.
German Engineering should be awarded with betetr stats like more damage than old revolvers.

[Killswi†ch]

1 - Agree.
They overnerfed it. Decreasing damage drop-off and maybe a bit of it's recoil would be a good thing imho.

[geordiebroon58]

i agree it needs a minor buff but i dont want the weapon to become some form of fanning than a chain damage weapon that can preform a 2 body shot with good tracking

low ammo cap is fine as that means there is a punishment for missing hits but the lack of ammo refund and the reload without the speedload is just a bit too far on the slow side

its too pricey for its current state but its damage potential is underrated at the same time

[geordiebroon58]

Originally posted by †Killswitch†:

1 - Agree.
They overnerfed it. Decreasing damage drop-off and maybe a bit of it's recoil would be a good thing imho.

could throw in a better ammo restore from special ammo box's too (too meany is required to refil)

[Killswi†ch]

Originally posted by geordiebroon58:

Originally posted by †Killswitch†:

1 - Agree.
They overnerfed it. Decreasing damage drop-off and maybe a bit of it's recoil would be a good thing imho.

could throw in a better ammo restore from special ammo box's too (too meany is required to refil)

Yes, I'd be fine with that change too.

[EmperorC3]

Originally posted by Feldjäger:

My thoughts about the dolch, since the nerf:

Dolch is
- not worth the money ($750), high invest with no benefit!
- needs mostly 3 hits to kill, sometimes even 4-5
- low ammo pool
- damage drop is way too high
- reload is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slow, as a granny with arthritis

This isn't a very accurate description of the Dolch.
It downs hunters with an arm and a torso hit within 20 meters. If you took 3 or more shots you simply hit limbs or are firing way out of range for a pistol.
Reload from empty is among the best in the game. 6 seconds for 10 rounds. For reference New Army takes ~8 seconds for 6 rounds and bornheim takes 3 seconds for 4 rounds. Officer takes ~12 seconds for 7 rounds.
Sure the animation feels slow, but the actual reload time is among the best of all pistols.

Use that large mag + fire rate + muzzle velocity to go for headshots.

[Silva]

1 - agree.

[Oobaneko]

Idk, yesterdey cracked 5 hunter from that. It's good as it is. And price is good. Noobs just wanna their broken OP meta back.
If buff dolch or make it cheaper, it will again plague the game.

[Bill Waggoner]

No to anything other than increase in reload speed. It looks awkward af watching the hunter struggle with the stripper clip for eternity.

You're high if you somehow believe the Spitfire is anywhere close to the Dolch.

Spitfire - 77RPM, 280m/s muzzle velocity, 108 dmg.
Dolch - 164RPM, 440m/s muzzle velocity, 97 dmg.

The Dolch fires 2.1 times faster than the Spitfire, with bullets that travel 1.5 times faster than the Spitfire. A Dolch can 2 shot you before you get to fire a second time.