Dual Wielding should require a trait.

[Amos Moses]

It should require a trait costing between 5-7 points to dual wield. That or regular DW fire rate should be reduced to what it actually -should- be (1/3 slower than it is now) with the current fire rate unlocked only with a trait.

as it is now, it's like every hunter has baked in fanning or levering, except it works consistently out to 30+ meters, which fanning and levering don't.

[Aimee]

Have you ever tried dualwield pistols yourself before? Since what you write here does not make it seem like it.
Dual wield pistols only lets you fire the first 2 rounds in rappid succession, and then it slows down. Aside from that, each pistol has a slower firerate individualy than wielding a single pistol instead. And you give up a large amount of accuracy, and aiming down sights is clunky.

You get a faster firerate with more ammo, in exchange for accuracy reduction, more bullet spread, and costing a weapon slot size increase.
Sure it is good for short to mid range combat, but so are many other weapons. It does not beat the accuracy of a single pistol for long range shots.

Fanning also only works with single pistols that fire slowly, so that perk has its uses.

[Echorion]

Why? Dual pistols, unless it's dual conversion, is absolutely awful. Even dual conversion is just "decent" at mid range and there are other good options for the same distance. Some more and some less expensive.

[Der Guteste TTV]

Realistically it already needs quartermaster because all options on 2-slot range weapons are pretty garbage. Springfield? Hahahaha. Obrez/Vandal? Too much sway.
Nagant P? Pea shooter. Dolch P? Why even have dual wield at that point.

But yea, firerate reduction wouldn't be out of line. I mean if you take 2 revolvers and fire both, it results in which firerate increase? Double? No ofc not, you get more than 3x the firerate for some reason (conversion).

Less rng and more precision in exchange for worse firerate.

[オルゴール]

Originally posted by Aimee:

Have you ever tried dualwield pistols yourself before? Since what you write here does not make it seem like it.
Dual wield pistols only lets you fire the first 2 rounds in rappid succession, and then it slows down. Aside from that, each pistol has a slower firerate individualy than wielding a single pistol instead. And you give up a large amount of accuracy, and aiming down sights is clunky.

You get a faster firerate with more ammo, in exchange for accuracy reduction, more bullet spread, and costing a weapon slot size increase.
Sure it is good for short to mid range combat, but so are many other weapons. It does not beat the accuracy of a single pistol for long range shots.

Fanning also only works with single pistols that fire slowly, so that perk has its uses.

The conversions are a different story tho XD, dualwield is about 40% faster than having one (well… from around 40rpm to 110rpm or so)
And the conversions are also way too accurate for what they should do. They are viable on up to 30m

[Aimee]

Originally posted by オルゴール:

Originally posted by Aimee:

Have snip

The conversions are a different story tho XD, dualwield is about 40% faster than having one (well… from around 40rpm to 110rpm or so)
And the conversions are also way too accurate for what they should do. They are viable on up to 30m

Fair enough, OP talked about All the dual wield pistols though. As if they are all overpowered and needs to be nerfed. Seems pretty ridiculous to me, since you give up a lot for most pistols to be able to dual wield.

Originally posted by Echorion:

Why? Dual pistols, unless it's dual conversion, is absolutely awful. Even dual conversion is just "decent" at mid range and there are other good options for the same distance. Some more and some less expensive.

Carefull you dont hurt OP's feelings, although they give away free awards so i guess you get something back for it :P

I think most dual wield pistols are just fine, you give up something to get something.

[Echorion]

Originally posted by オルゴール:

Originally posted by Aimee:

The conversions are a different story tho XD, dualwield is about 40% faster than having one (well… from around 40rpm to 110rpm or so)
And the conversions are also way too accurate for what they should do. They are viable on up to 30m

A single officer fires 120 RPM vs a dual conversions 130, but is cheaper than dual conversion, and way more accurate even beyond 30 meters. Dual conversion has more ammo and a tiny bit faster fire rate if you time it right, but is much less accurate and cost more and has a longer reload time, and takes a medium slot.

That's just one pistol and it's close to on par with that, comparing it to a medium slot weapon like the bornheim match which is FAR superior to dual conversion at the cost of a bit more hunt dollars.

You're not offering any reason as to why they are a problem, if anything you are illustrating how conversion pistols are balanced and other dual pistols are probably too mediocre. Also indicating why the recent price changes make so much sense.

[オルゴール]

Originally posted by Echorion:

Originally posted by オルゴール:

The conversions are a different story tho XD, dualwield is about 40% faster than having one (well… from around 40rpm to 110rpm or so)
And the conversions are also way too accurate for what they should do. They are viable on up to 30m

A single officer fires 120 RPM vs a dual conversions 130, but is cheaper than dual conversion, and way more accurate even beyond 30 meters. Dual conversion has more ammo and a tiny bit faster fire rate if you time it right, but is much less accurate and cost more and has a longer reload time, and takes a medium slot.

That's just one pistol and it's close to on par with that, comparing it to a medium slot weapon like the bornheim match which is FAR superior to dual conversion at the cost of a bit more hunt dollars.

You're not offering any reason as to why they are a problem, if anything you are illustrating how conversion pistols are balanced and other dual pistols are probably too mediocre. Also indicating why the recent price changes make so much sense.

I have two problems with the conversion akimbos, but only those.
Yes k hasn’t pointed them out in the other post so let me here.
The main reason why the conversions are better than the officer (imo) is the ammo pool and Magazin size.
If paired with the chain pistol you can shoot uninterrupted for so long (but I also hate chain pistol fanning for the same reason). Yes you do have a long reload but to get there can also create a kill. And (although this might not be the main reason dislike akimbo) the ammo gain for something likesparks pistol or such is annoying to deal with.
And well one more thing… atleast someone with an officer hit me twice because they aimed. With akimbo it’s more like „spray and pray“

[Amos Moses]

Dual conversion, pax and Scofield are all extremely accurate out to 30m. I also think your math is wrong as dual pistols fire at roughly 3x the speed of the same single pistol.

[Ren†Gen]

Originally posted by PinappleTheFrootDood:

Realistically it already needs quartermaster because all options on 2-slot range weapons are pretty garbage. Springfield? Hahahaha. Obrez/Vandal? Too much sway.
Nagant P? Pea shooter. Dolch P? Why even have dual wield at that point.

But yea, firerate reduction wouldn't be out of line. I mean if you take 2 revolvers and fire both, it results in which firerate increase? Double? No ofc not, you get more than 3x the firerate for some reason (conversion).

Less rng and more precision in exchange for worse firerate.

Bruh you laugh at springfield?

[Wulfric]

biggest issue with twins is accuracy is way to good for the spray. and absurd fire rate v/s single pistol.

[Der Guteste TTV]

Originally posted by RenTGen:

Originally posted by PinappleTheFrootDood:

Realistically it already needs quartermaster because all options on 2-slot range weapons are pretty garbage. Springfield? Hahahaha. Obrez/Vandal? Too much sway.
Nagant P? Pea shooter. Dolch P? Why even have dual wield at that point.

But yea, firerate reduction wouldn't be out of line. I mean if you take 2 revolvers and fire both, it results in which firerate increase? Double? No ofc not, you get more than 3x the firerate for some reason (conversion).

Less rng and more precision in exchange for worse firerate.

Bruh you laugh at springfield?

Laughing loud & proud. If it's the compact version I also gently hit my knee repeatedly while doing so.

[geordiebroon58]

pretty much a repat of what everyone else has said

the dule weilded weapons firerate isnt like fanning where it can just be spammed, each pistol have there own cooldown based on the defalt weapon stats

when running a dule wield weapon your accuracy is lowered and it takes a medium weapon slot to use (where other things could be used like the bow or a compact weapon)

this comes at a benifit of being able to shoot at twice the rate and double the clip size and ammo compacity, but unless your not timing your shots right this dosnt really matter

fanning and dule weild are spray and pray but unlike fanning dule weilding takes a extra weapon slot and requires you to controll your own fire rate while also aiming to land your shots

[Amos Moses]

Originally posted by geordiebroon58:

pretty much a repat of what everyone else has said

the dule weilded weapons firerate isnt like fanning where it can just be spammed, each pistol have there own cooldown based on the defalt weapon stats

when running a dule wield weapon your accuracy is lowered and it takes a medium weapon slot to use (where other things could be used like the bow or a compact weapon)

this comes at a benifit of being able to shoot at twice the rate and double the clip size and ammo compacity, but unless your not timing your shots right this dosnt really matter

fanning and dule weild are spray and pray but unlike fanning dule weilding takes a extra weapon slot and requires you to controll your own fire rate while also aiming to land your shots

They shoot at triple the fire rate, not double. They should be slowed down to just double.

[Revolverx7]

Damn this thread....this thread i like duel wield feels great maybe make a perk that allows faster reload and less sway idk

[Dept. of Savings & Pwns]

i don't think free hunters and low level hunters need another nerf