Thoughts on slug ammo?

[Lotion Man]

Time for opinions. I have a strong opinion that, to me at least, the slugs need a form of nerf.
I feel like slugs are very common and circulating in a lot of matches, so it seems like the price is an unjustifiable argument, especially adding Mr. Chary and daily Summons.
My main problem is it keeping the close-range power of normal buckshot while gaining the range to compete with rifles.
I'd have no problem with slugs if they did maybe Sparks or Martini damage, but I feel like keeping close-range one-shot-kills are a bit too much.
This is just my opinion though, and it got me curious what other people think about it in it's current state.

[Duncan.Idaho]

I like them. I am 4-5 rank MMR. I don't see them too much. The one shot range seems fine to me. They seem in a good place.

[Lotion Man]

Originally posted by Duncan.Idaho:

I like them. I don't see any problems in my games. I am 4-5 rank MMR. I don't see them more often than long ammo. They seem in a good place to me.

Fair enough, thank you for providing some input.

[ゲ-で]

Slugs are the only special ammo that is a straightforward buff, with no downsides. Price and requirement to aim are not a real downside.
They increase ohk range, make shotguns as reliable as your aim is and allow you to use shotguns as rifles - effectively killing people at 40m. I wouldn't miss them if they're gone.
They've spent 2+ years nerfing Nitro only to introduce this monstrosity
Personally, I think they should either increase their price dramatically by like 600$, or make them available only to Romero and Rival , or introduce a reall downside to them.
But I bet they won't unless a lot of people start complaining about them like it was with borheim\nitro\dolch\avtomat.
But, but, Dolch, Nitro and Avto are tier 4 guns, they were supposed to be powerful. Okay you gave Nitro ugly aperture sight, changed Dolch's ammo to special and make it slow, you forced Avto to be working only in bursts of 3 and then you add slugs? Just buy Slate, toss an extra 200$ and boom you have a poor man's Nitro for like what 450?

TL:DR They won't change slugs, it sucks but I'm fine with that, tho I think slugs are cancerous and add chaos to the game, without them you know how much distance you need to keep, with them you can never be sure are you safe at 15m or 40m.

[Lupercal]

Shotguns were fine before slugs, now there's a post a week that complains about shottys. I definetly see waay more shotguns than I used to.

[[N.RB]No.KD-Lee(AYF)]

Originally posted by OOGILY BOOGILY:

Time for opinions. I have a strong opinion that, to me at least, the slugs need a form of nerf.
I feel like slugs are very common and circulating in a lot of matches, so it seems like the price is an unjustifiable argument, especially adding Mr. Chary and daily Summons.
My main problem is it keeping the close-range power of normal buckshot while gaining the range to compete with rifles.
I'd have no problem with slugs if they did maybe Sparks or Martini damage, but I feel like keeping close-range one-shot-kills are a bit too much.
This is just my opinion though, and it got me curious what other people think about it in it's current state.

They should be removed from the game imo.

[Newbie4life!!!]

Originally posted by ゲ-で:

Slugs are the only special ammo that is a straightforward buff, with no downsides. Price and requirement to aim are not a real downside.
They increase ohk range, make shotguns as reliable as your aim is and allow you to use shotguns as rifles - effectively killing people at 40m. I wouldn't miss them if they're gone.
They've spent 2+ years nerfing Nitro only to introduce this monstrosity
Personally, I think they should either increase their price dramatically by like 600$, or make them available only to Romero and Rival , or introduce a reall downside to them.
But I bet they won't unless a lot of people start complaining about them like it was with borheim\nitro\dolch\avtomat.
But, but, Dolch, Nitro and Avto are tier 4 guns, they were supposed to be powerful. Okay you gave Nitro ugly aperture sight, changed Dolch's ammo to special and make it slow, you forced Avto to be working only in bursts of 3 and then you add slugs? Just buy Slate, toss an extra 200$ and boom you have a poor man's Nitro for like what 450?

TL:DR They won't change slugs, it sucks but I'm fine with that, tho I think slugs are cancerous and add chaos to the game, without them you know how much distance you need to keep, with them you can never be sure are you safe at 15m or 40m.

I highly disagree with this opinion, to say that the requirement to aim is not a downside is very false.

Imagine you're clearing a room, you breach a building where you DON'T know where the enemy is. Is quicker to snap at a target and hipfire or find the target, aim down sight, AND ATLEAST get a chestshot? With buckshot you can jump shoot, fall and shoot, and react quicker.

Slugs are better if you're holding an angle because you're already aimed down sight and waiting for the enemy to pass. It's obviously better at range as well but that point is small since you'll be using your secondary anyways.

I wouldn't mind if they did a small nerf and I wouldn't mind if they took it out of the game but I also don't mind it being in the game. At 30M+ a winfield is better against a slug shotgun, hell a nagant officer is much better at 30m+.

Tl:Dr: Buckshot is better at rushing and breaching, slugs are better at holding angles and range.

[ゲ-で]

Originally posted by Newbie4life!!!:

Originally posted by ゲ-で:

Slugs are the only special ammo that is a straightforward buff, with no downsides. Price and requirement to aim are not a real downside.
They increase ohk range, make shotguns as reliable as your aim is and allow you to use shotguns as rifles - effectively killing people at 40m. I wouldn't miss them if they're gone.
They've spent 2+ years nerfing Nitro only to introduce this monstrosity
Personally, I think they should either increase their price dramatically by like 600$, or make them available only to Romero and Rival , or introduce a reall downside to them.
But I bet they won't unless a lot of people start complaining about them like it was with borheim\nitro\dolch\avtomat.
But, but, Dolch, Nitro and Avto are tier 4 guns, they were supposed to be powerful. Okay you gave Nitro ugly aperture sight, changed Dolch's ammo to special and make it slow, you forced Avto to be working only in bursts of 3 and then you add slugs? Just buy Slate, toss an extra 200$ and boom you have a poor man's Nitro for like what 450?

TL:DR They won't change slugs, it sucks but I'm fine with that, tho I think slugs are cancerous and add chaos to the game, without them you know how much distance you need to keep, with them you can never be sure are you safe at 15m or 40m.

I highly disagree with this opinion, to say that the requirement to aim is not a downside is very false.

Imagine you're clearing a room, you breach a building where you DON'T know where the enemy is. Is quicker to snap at a target and hipfire or find the target, aim down sight, AND ATLEAST get a chestshot? With buckshot you can jump shoot, fall and shoot, and react quicker.

Slugs are better if you're holding an angle because you're already aimed down sight and waiting for the enemy to pass. It's obviously better at range as well but that point is small since you'll be using your secondary anyways.

I wouldn't mind if they did a small nerf and I wouldn't mind if they took it out of the game but I also don't mind it being in the game. At 30M+ a winfield is better against a slug shotgun, hell a nagant officer is much better at 30m+.

Tl:Dr: Buckshot is better at rushing and breaching, slugs are better at holding angles and range.

Slugs can double tap you at 35m, I think it's wrong.

[Kacki Ben]

Slugs made the game way too easy. Pushed my kda over 2 in a couple of weeks just using that crap with the slate

[Friendly George™]

Originally posted by Newbie4life!!!:

Originally posted by ゲ-で:

Slugs are the only special ammo that is a straightforward buff, with no downsides. Price and requirement to aim are not a real downside.
They increase ohk range, make shotguns as reliable as your aim is and allow you to use shotguns as rifles - effectively killing people at 40m. I wouldn't miss them if they're gone.
They've spent 2+ years nerfing Nitro only to introduce this monstrosity
Personally, I think they should either increase their price dramatically by like 600$, or make them available only to Romero and Rival , or introduce a reall downside to them.
But I bet they won't unless a lot of people start complaining about them like it was with borheim\nitro\dolch\avtomat.
But, but, Dolch, Nitro and Avto are tier 4 guns, they were supposed to be powerful. Okay you gave Nitro ugly aperture sight, changed Dolch's ammo to special and make it slow, you forced Avto to be working only in bursts of 3 and then you add slugs? Just buy Slate, toss an extra 200$ and boom you have a poor man's Nitro for like what 450?

TL:DR They won't change slugs, it sucks but I'm fine with that, tho I think slugs are cancerous and add chaos to the game, without them you know how much distance you need to keep, with them you can never be sure are you safe at 15m or 40m.

I highly disagree with this opinion, to say that the requirement to aim is not a downside is very false.

Imagine you're clearing a room, you breach a building where you DON'T know where the enemy is. Is quicker to snap at a target and hipfire or find the target, aim down sight, AND ATLEAST get a chestshot? With buckshot you can jump shoot, fall and shoot, and react quicker.

Slugs are better if you're holding an angle because you're already aimed down sight and waiting for the enemy to pass. It's obviously better at range as well but that point is small since you'll be using your secondary anyways.

I wouldn't mind if they did a small nerf and I wouldn't mind if they took it out of the game but I also don't mind it being in the game. At 30M+ a winfield is better against a slug shotgun, hell a nagant officer is much better at 30m+.

Tl:Dr: Buckshot is better at rushing and breaching, slugs are better at holding angles and range.

Buckshot is definitively not better at any range. Buckshot is balanced and fair. Slugs are the meta right now; I believe that there are more people running with slugs than any other weapons right now. It can reliably kill people at 35 meters and that is just unfair.
The statement that the Winfield is better at 30m is just a good statement that you are one of the people exploiting this broken ammo. With a Winfield (or any other gun/ammo) you need to hit a headshot at that one bullet, because if they shoot, you will be dead form that slug in your chest.

I’m amazed that the community is raging from the slugs obvious prowess. There is no reason to buy a Nitro anymore. There is no reason to use any of the other ammo for the shotgun. There is no reason to buy any of the small ammo, that’s just greifing. Since money is not a problem for most people.

Stop defending the OP ammo. There are no downsides to use it. The only strategy to counter slugs is very long range of 30 meters +.

If I should make the argument that slugs are not OP, what would you say if there was a long ammo that was 1 shot closer than 40m. Imagine the rage from the community then.

[MooP]

Crown & King Auto-5 with slugs you pretty much have a M14 rifle...

[DeGreZet]

Originally posted by OOGILY BOOGILY:

Time for opinions. I have a strong opinion that, to me at least, the slugs need a form of nerf.
I feel like slugs are very common and circulating in a lot of matches, so it seems like the price is an unjustifiable argument, especially adding Mr. Chary and daily Summons.
My main problem is it keeping the close-range power of normal buckshot while gaining the range to compete with rifles.
I'd have no problem with slugs if they did maybe Sparks or Martini damage, but I feel like keeping close-range one-shot-kills are a bit too much.
This is just my opinion though, and it got me curious what other people think about it in it's current state.

this game is called Camp: Shotguns for a reason

[Badass_Ben]

Originally posted by ゲ-で:

Slugs are the only special ammo that is a straightforward buff, with no downsides. Price and requirement to aim are not a real downside.
They increase ohk range, make shotguns as reliable as your aim is and allow you to use shotguns as rifles - effectively killing people at 40m. I wouldn't miss them if they're gone.
They've spent 2+ years nerfing Nitro only to introduce this monstrosity
Personally, I think they should either increase their price dramatically by like 600$, or make them available only to Romero and Rival , or introduce a reall downside to them.
But I bet they won't unless a lot of people start complaining about them like it was with borheim\nitro\dolch\avtomat.
But, but, Dolch, Nitro and Avto are tier 4 guns, they were supposed to be powerful. Okay you gave Nitro ugly aperture sight, changed Dolch's ammo to special and make it slow, you forced Avto to be working only in bursts of 3 and then you add slugs? Just buy Slate, toss an extra 200$ and boom you have a poor man's Nitro for like what 450?

TL:DR They won't change slugs, it sucks but I'm fine with that, tho I think slugs are cancerous and add chaos to the game, without them you know how much distance you need to keep, with them you can never be sure are you safe at 15m or 40m.

The downsides is they wont 1-tap abdomen point blank, but buckshot will

So they are technically worse in CQC than buckshot

[Friendly George™]

Originally posted by Badass_Ben:

Originally posted by ゲ-で:

Slugs are the only special ammo that is a straightforward buff, with no downsides. Price and requirement to aim are not a real downside.
They increase ohk range, make shotguns as reliable as your aim is and allow you to use shotguns as rifles - effectively killing people at 40m. I wouldn't miss them if they're gone.
They've spent 2+ years nerfing Nitro only to introduce this monstrosity
Personally, I think they should either increase their price dramatically by like 600$, or make them available only to Romero and Rival , or introduce a reall downside to them.
But I bet they won't unless a lot of people start complaining about them like it was with borheim\nitro\dolch\avtomat.
But, but, Dolch, Nitro and Avto are tier 4 guns, they were supposed to be powerful. Okay you gave Nitro ugly aperture sight, changed Dolch's ammo to special and make it slow, you forced Avto to be working only in bursts of 3 and then you add slugs? Just buy Slate, toss an extra 200$ and boom you have a poor man's Nitro for like what 450?

TL:DR They won't change slugs, it sucks but I'm fine with that, tho I think slugs are cancerous and add chaos to the game, without them you know how much distance you need to keep, with them you can never be sure are you safe at 15m or 40m.

The downsides is they wont 1-tap abdomen point blank, but buckshot will

So they are technically worse in CQC than buckshot

The Slate with slugs one-shot with a torsoe hit. It reliably does so up to 15 meters

[Turtlecatfish]

I believe that the Romero is the only shotgun that should have a slug in its current state. I have lost more fight then i can count even at range be cause the shotguns with more then one shot can and will out rate of fire me and by the time i have even re-chambered my rifle or my pistol the shotgun has been fired about 3 times(manly the slate and lever shotgun the double barrel is a different animal).
i have no problems with a shotgun being able to preform at close range and even dominate but when it starts to outperform all other ammo types with both rate of fire and damage at most range excluding extreme long range there is no point in using any thing else.
At about 35 meters with a slug you will do around 120 damage so from anything with a high rate of fire its a little rough to deal with. i know that a lot of rifles do this but the difference is that those rifles cannot one shot withing 15-20 meters and the only one that can is the nitro which is 1000 dollars and has aperture sights so for half the cost you get a lot of power at range and dominance at close range.
It also feels like about 85 percent of the guns that i run into for about a month now have been shotguns and out of that i would say about 90 percent have slugs no matter what type of shotgun they are.
So in the end i think they need to limit the weapons that they are available for or really start changing some numbers on them so that they cant outperform all the other weapons in almost all aspects.

[Elthrandil]

Slugs are stupid. Every special ammo has a draw back, but slugs are a direct upgrade.Even the damage dropoff is better than a winfield.