headshots ruin this game

[Basheer/Bareq]

it takes away all the positioning and strategy of the game and converts it into who can jump around like a jester so he wouldnt get hs'd while also trying to out-snap someone into his head first.
it doesnt matter if you do everything right you can still just get insta-headshotted the moment you see someone because he has better ping and aim which takes away all the enjoyment and will never be "casual friendly" as ive heard about this game being more casual than tarkov (it isnt)
i know in real life you would die of a head shot but why are we bringing realism into something supposedly casual and less punishing than tarkov?
and whats the point of getting all these fancy guns if all it takes is a headshot to kill someone? a game is supposed to be fun not frustrating every single time, atleast let me have a little gunfight fun before dying instantly...

[ANIM Rawrs]

Well the reason i think this is this way is because every weapon has a fair shot at beating a way higher setup currently.

My 26$ gun can beat a $1250 avtomat if my aim is better and faster.

The fancy guns however do have other benefits like faster shooting range, bigger bullets or higher velocity. This will still keep them relevant as better options, but not as the only options.

I personally like it this way as new players their bullets hurt just as much as veteran bullets.

I usually run a $200 to $300 setup in total and still kill allot of people who their main weapon alone already costs more then my entire loadout.

[Der Guteste TTV]

Just in case you are actually serious:
In a game where guns have superslow firerate least they could do is kill with headshots.
Actually it's kind of refreshing to have a game where headshot is actually king.
In most modern shooters you aim for body regardless because you miss too many bullets spraying at the head and actually getting worse ttk.

Also headshots actually make positioning and strategy matter a lot more. Without headshots the ttk is super long in Hunt, meaning you can often run away too safety even when you are in a position that should get you killed every single time.

[Basheer/Bareq]

new players mostly quit the game as soon as they die 20 times from headshots in a row
it doesnt really help new players tbh, since the aim in the game is hard and needs some good time to learn, and it doesnt take a long time to reach level 100 and unlock all the guns, if i was to remake the gun damage id make it so only long ammo guns can one shot headshot and the rest give u more damage but dont kill you and instead leave ur healthbar with like %1 or something
the longer gunfights take to end the more satisfying it is to get the kill and even if u dont get the kill its still fun because atleast you had a fight before going down

[Basheer/Bareq]

Originally posted by PinappleTheFrootDood:

Just in case you are actually serious:
In a game where guns have superslow firerate least they could do is kill with headshots.
Actually it's kind of refreshing to have a game where headshot is actually king.
In most modern shooters you aim for body regardless because you miss too many bullets spraying at the head and actually getting worse ttk.

Also headshots actually make positioning and strategy matter a lot more. Without headshots the ttk is super long in Hunt, meaning you can often run away too safety even when you are in a position that should get you killed every single time.

how is it refreshing? most shooters give u 1 shot headshot it really isnt a new thing in this game...

[ANIM Rawrs]

Originally posted by bareq/basheer (Adept):

new players mostly quit the game as soon as they die 20 times from headshots in a row
it doesnt really help new players tbh, since the aim in the game is hard and needs some good time to learn, and it doesnt take a long time to reach level 100 and unlock all the guns, if i was to remake the gun damage id make it so only long ammo guns can one shot headshot and the rest give u more damage but dont kill you and instead leave ur healthbar with like %1 or something
the longer gunfights take to end the more satisfying it is to get the kill and even if u dont get the kill its still fun because atleast you had a fight before going down

I can tell you right now that people would solely play long ammo at that point and shotguns basically making every other gun pointless which isnt one of these 2 categories. Why would you ever pick up any weapon that has no long ammo at that point ?

Most people that play this game have quite the stash of money basically making it always possible to run any type of long range ammo they want.

Edit: what i am saying here is that the change would just render all non long range ammo guns pointless. All it does is punish people that prestige and new players which i personally dont think is a good idea.

[Basheer/Bareq]

Originally posted by ANIM Rawrs:

Originally posted by bareq/basheer (Adept):

new players mostly quit the game as soon as they die 20 times from headshots in a row
it doesnt really help new players tbh, since the aim in the game is hard and needs some good time to learn, and it doesnt take a long time to reach level 100 and unlock all the guns, if i was to remake the gun damage id make it so only long ammo guns can one shot headshot and the rest give u more damage but dont kill you and instead leave ur healthbar with like %1 or something
the longer gunfights take to end the more satisfying it is to get the kill and even if u dont get the kill its still fun because atleast you had a fight before going down

I can tell you right now that people would solely play long ammo at that point and shotguns basically making every other gun pointless which isnt one of these 2 categories. Why would you ever pick up any weapon that has no long ammo at that point ?

Most people that play this game have quite the stash of money basically making it always possible to run any type of long range ammo they want.

introduce a self wiping mechanism, basically if you reach lvl 100 you have a couple of days before your account is wiped, which will make end game guns more rare and more risky to use

[BecauseReasons]

Headshots ARE the game.

[ANIM Rawrs]

Originally posted by bareq/basheer (Adept):

introduce a self wiping mechanism, basically if you reach lvl 100 you have a couple of days before your account is wiped, which will make end game guns more rare and more risky to use

That would not be a bad idea if it was like that from the start of this game and prestiging didnt end at a 100. It does however so the most experienced players would constantly run the best guns putting new players at a even bigger disadvantage.

The current playerbase enjoys the game for what it is and i guess this would drive allot of them away. Currently its a choice if you want to prestige or not. Forcing people to do so will drive allot of players away is my guess.

I dont think i would personally continue as you are not getting rewarded for having better aim and are just food for who is basically higher bloodline in your current lobby.

[Basheer/Bareq]

basically im for nerfing all guns in this game to make it last longer before dying, make a casual mode or something so it wouldnt change the base game for people who like it that way, just my 2 cents

[HeySup]

although frustrating at times , head shots are what makes this game so good

[bad weather yes]

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[Basheer/Bareq]

Originally posted by HeySup:

although frustrating at times , head shots are what makes this game so good

i have never enjoyed killing someone with a headshot. theres just nothing appealing to me about having a 0.5 second fight
i have also never enjoyed dying to a headshot, without having a chance to do anything

[ANIM Rawrs]

Originally posted by bareq/basheer (Adept):

basically im for nerfing all guns in this game to make it last longer before dying, make a casual mode or something so it wouldnt change the base game for people who like it that way, just my 2 cents

I mean it was like that in a way before a certain update. We had sway in the game and that basically made you miss allot of shots even if you where dead center on the head. The playerbase was small and very niche at that point.

I personally hated the sway mechanic as it just adds RNG and i think adding RNG in any competitive scene is a good idea. That said your idea also adds RNG and thats the RNG of which people you get in your lobbies and which weapons will they use. If they use a mosin and you just have prestiged and are fighting with a full nagant pistol setup you can basically not compete at all.

As said i think your idea isnt bad in general, but the game has already sailed this path so far and the people that still play it now love it for exactly that reason.

[Der Guteste TTV]

Originally posted by bareq/basheer (Adept):

Originally posted by PinappleTheFrootDood:

Just in case you are actually serious:
In a game where guns have superslow firerate least they could do is kill with headshots.
Actually it's kind of refreshing to have a game where headshot is actually king.
In most modern shooters you aim for body regardless because you miss too many bullets spraying at the head and actually getting worse ttk.

Also headshots actually make positioning and strategy matter a lot more. Without headshots the ttk is super long in Hunt, meaning you can often run away too safety even when you are in a position that should get you killed every single time.

how is it refreshing? most shooters give u 1 shot headshot it really isnt a new thing in this game...

Actually most shooters don't.

Most shooters have maybe a few weapons that kill with 1 headshot which usually bolt actions, snipers or slow firing revolvers, etc. - the common weapons in other games do not kill with a headshot. In fact, going for the head usually results in longer ttk because you are actually missing many bullets when aiming for the head.

There is not a single game that has the focus on headshots as much as Hunt.
The ttk in Hunt is extremely long with most weapons if it isn't a headshot.

For example Dolch has one of the fastest ttk in Hunt - 0ms with headshots (oneshot), ~366ms with chestshots at max firerate.

A mp5 in cod modern warfare 2019 has a ttk of 150ms, 100ms with headshots.
Oh, and this was before the nerf of that weapon. After the nerf of it it took both 3 hits to kill with both headshots AND chestshots - yes, the ttk is 150ms in this case. Headshots actually don't matter in that case.

Hunt is a game that consists of mostly slow firing weapons - so they kill with a headshot. Hunt took that concept and made headshot always kill (if within range ofc).
Headshot is king in Hunt and a core concept. Wanting to remove it makes no sense.

[Basheer/Bareq]

Originally posted by ANIM Rawrs:

Originally posted by bareq/basheer (Adept):

basically im for nerfing all guns in this game to make it last longer before dying, make a casual mode or something so it wouldnt change the base game for people who like it that way, just my 2 cents

I mean it was like that in a way before a certain update. We had sway in the game and that basically made you miss allot of shots even if you where dead center on the head. The playerbase was small and very niche at that point.

I personally hated the sway mechanic as it just adds RNG and i think adding RNG in any competitive scene is a bad idea. That said your idea also adds RNG and thats the RNG of which people you get in your lobbies and which weapons will they use. If they use a mosin and you just have prestiged and are fighting with a full nagant pistol setup you can basically not compete at all.

As said i think your idea isnt bad in general, but the game has already sailed this path so far and the people that still play it now love it for exactly that reason.

you can curve around that problem with bloodline brackets, like lvl 0-25 get to play together first and if there arent enough players you then get matched with 25-50 and so on
im just sad the game also doesnt cycle through the old weaker guns and the only reason you would get them is if ur new and dont have much money