The state of Hunt showdown....

[Brendor]

Note this is all subjective so everything that I couldv'e stated would be based off on my own opinion on the game in general. Also note that I do enjoy this game so much as it has being a unique experience for me personally, but I simply cannot stand the way how its being treated by the devs for not only its updates throughout its cylce of being released, but also how the release date went in general, and how the devs are focused on updates that simply don't fix the game in general.

1. Balance: Balance has being a huge topic for hunt showdown since its early alpha stages, at first the balance wasn't there from the start and overtime it has gotten better, but also overtime since during 2.0 or even later has it gotten going into a downward hill, This to me is simply the case of that. I have being through every single update change since the start of 2.0 and have experienced its ups and downs but after the release for this game I cannot stay silent any longer with how the devs dont choose to properly balance their game in general.

The Meta currently is all based around gear and not skill... I understand that its subjective but hear me out. If you are going against a player of your same skill level and he has a Mosin/Sparks/Lebel, and you have a winnefield or Veterli, You have basically lost the match. Hands down the only way to stay competitive in this game is to have the most overpowered gear you can have on hand and its atrocious. If you are simply not running any of those 3 guns and their specific varients for "RANGE COMBAT" you have lost... The fights are no longer action packed or engaging and its all about who can get the first body shot on someone/headshot with those weapons. and honestly I do understand your disagreement "Oh you can headshot with a winnie and Vet and still win" I understand but what happens if he is out of your headshot range?

Again... not balanced as intended.

The winnefield got a nerf during the 1.0 patch where its now a weapon with reduced ROF. and I understand why it needed the nerf, I personally agreed with it at first, but overtime from using it and from how others see the weapon specifically, its simply at a worse state than it is in terms of close range combat. How it worked back before 1.0 was this (Winnie would have high rof and low damage, Vet. would be middle range, and Mosins and etc would have High damage Low rof) But the devs decided to reduce the "Effectiveness" of these weapons to make them weak and now the Winnie is simply a half ass Vet with super low damage and supper low ROF.

Also yet again... subjective but also they decided to buff the Veterli to give it more damage at close range.... making it more stronger than the winnie in terms of dps...... Still being a two shot kill even BEFORE the update went out.

Shotguns are the most complained and are right now the most inconsistent and are hell even more inconsistent after release of 5.0 when they were overbuffed.... Most people either avoid certain shotguns cause of inconsistency or because they are overpowered ( Again thats subjective to you the reader on what is op and what isn't) For my experience the shotguns are right now still the most strong out of all is two, "Romero, and Caldwell" the Pump and Auto are great in certain situations but in general you are going to be seeing those two the most often due to their either range or extreme ROF.

The devs also stated that the Avtomat one of the "quote" most overpowered rifles and most hated rifles in the game. I have used it before its effective nerf when it had "20/10" for its effective ammo count and it was OP. But thats still the case.......

Again its subjective as most people think its bad.. when all you need to do is simply just pull down the mouse if your holding the trigger, or even better just tap it at range....
(and the devs stated its balanced due to it having a high "Cost" and high recoil....)

They nerf the upper cut due to its excessive use when what they shoudlve done was simply buff the other pistols instead of removing the skill gap from the weapon itself.... I understand its the 2nd strongest/ Strongest pistol in the game... again its subjective......

I personally think its the 2nd beaten out by the dolch due to that weapon having a massive fire rate and massive damage output compared to the uppercut. And that gun as well has being nerfed and given back its 10/10 ammo when it normally use to be 10/5 to reduce its effective spam.....
That asks you though... why should they have nerfed it?
Why should they have nerfed a gun that had High skill and High risk?
And yet the devs are buffing weapons that dont need any buffs...
And nerfing weapons that dont need to be nerfed. ... or are not effective
nerfs in the long run?

The weapon balance in the game isnt effective enough for this game with a HEAVY GEAR CENTERED FOCUS, and I understand that there is a meta out there in every game, but with a game so GEAR FOCUSED and frustrating for old and new players to play in ( Again that is subjective) It made me think on whether or not the balance was put on either because they wanted to force players into a specific meta or to force players out of it.....

I want players to run with anything and still be effective in the long run, I personally dont like being forced to use a specific rifle for long range or specific shotgun/melee for close range If I want to be as effective as possible to win against pvp.

The pvp for the game while fun and enjoyable where it had these action packed moments now feels weak and frustrating as you force yourself to play in these engagements with these weapons in mind , in order to have the best advantage as possible....

And if you are not running with these weapons you either need to land your hits correctly at a closer range, which can be dangerous, or hope they miss all their shots...
And since most players I know would read this and think I need to get good, you have to understand that not everyone is good player in general...and Neither were you when you first started the game.....
( again its all subjective to the reader and the person but if you want to enforce an elitism factor when it comes to this argument thats on you....)


2. Monitization: I personally dont mind how they monitized the game with its cosmetics but the worst part about it is how it effects gameplay... and NO I dont care if you can earn blood bonds, as it still affects the overall experience if my GAMEPLAY is being changed!!!!

If you as a player can spend money to make your hunter preform better in terms of "Traits and health bars" That is a system where in the eyes of a skilled player is an advantage to the match....... Even if its just 25 blood bonds thats "25" Cents coming out of your pocket. And to have that in a game where "Yes I understand you can lose your hunters permenantly" is still a bad move on the devs part.

And if you are personally thinking that its not effecting your experience I want you to think about any hunters you may have though of wanting to buy with your gold seeing their either traits/health bars ( I know there are free hunters, those dont count) and tell me if you felt a need to either change their traits/health or felt, bothered by how the removal of said traits and health bars bothered you.....

Again its subjective to the specific person but for me it bothered me alot especially for wanting to make an effective hunter

3. Stability and Bugs: This launch has being the worst launches in terms of update releases so far when it comes to Hunt showdown....
Yes before then there were bugs, but I want you as the experienced player whom may be reading this..... Count how many bugs you came across/ how many crashes or disconnections you recieved during update ( 5.0 to 6.0 ) and count from the Hunt showdown release.....

Again its subjective but from my experience I have went through 3 hard crashes, and a couple of bugs from invisible walls, pink textures, and invisible enemies that pop up in the blue.... ( ALSO NOTE THAT THIS COULD BE CHANGED DURING MY OWN POSTING AS WELL I UNDERSTAND!!!)


I am not going to hold my breath when it comes to this game anymore... I am sadly done with the title and all of its changes.... I Know the devs have stated that there is a road map in general on what they were planning on doing but in my eyes the changes either were to little or to late when it came to the release and the state of this game.....

[PigsR4Eating]

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PigsR4Eating の投稿を引用：

The game isn't supposed to be fair. You are buying an advantage when you bring in a better geared hunter than an opponent. I am talking about hunt dollars not blood bonds.

I am not 100 percent on this, but when you say keep refreshing until a cheap powerful hunter comes up, if you are talking about gear, I don't think you understand how it works. The different tier hunters have a set starting cost, then the cost of the gear is added to that. So if you had two different tier 3 hunters in two separate refreshed with the same exact gear, there cost should be identical. Traits are random.

You would have to track data concerning males vs females, I see a good mix, sometimes all males, sometimes all females. On one hand I wish they would add an all male/all female option so people would shut up about it. Unfortunately I suspect the new complaint would be "there are too many women in my game, it's ruining my immersion!"

I am not disputing that blood bonds allow you to cycle hunters until you get get a gear set/ traits you like, and traits, certain outfits etc. Those things do give you an advantage. It is just so small that if that is what someone wants to blow their money on I don't care.

They went a bit too far with the winfield, but I would rather have it under powered that over powered.

You wont need to have 2 hunters if they tried to put a stop to the loop hole. Then just have 1, I know you mean hunt dollars and I know you cant buy that with real cash. Its unfair to make the Press Refresh Hunters for 20 blood bonds and have a chance to land a very well geared lvl 2 or 3 hunter. Even the lvl 1 hunters, you click refresh until a cheap one comes up. Sure might cost you 3 bucks but hey you saved games of grinding unlike the players without blood bonds. This is a huge disadvantage. The game is based on who has the best gear in this current state.

The female hunter SHOULD have an option to choose. If you want to be a girl fine go for it but why force us, and yes if you keep playing youl get streaks of nothing but women. On a Friday night when you got home from work and just want to game naa, now your this butch hunter with your friend and its girls night out cus yall had no other option. If people were able to pick all the power to them, just dont force me to play as them it ruins the immersion. They did this so your forced to buy blood bonds to refresh if you want to be a guy.

Your saying going in the match full geared is a small advantage that you dont even care. But that makes no logical sense. Im here stating that it is PAY TO WIN, not just cosmetic and this proves it. You really think a new player with no blood bonds can stand a chance with a rich guy who refreshed his hunters until he got one for $250 with a lebel, full traits and med packs. It just goes to show you they went full E.A., You got cash, you got a huge advantage pay to win. Im not saying this broke the game, but another flaw out of many that hurt the product.

That isn't how it works. you could refresh 1000 times you are not going to get a hunter with a lebel for 250 bucks. Refreshing changes the total cost because there are different combinations of gear, it doesn't change what a particular gun costs on that hunter.

The game was originally designed so that you don't always get what you want. When you recruited hunters there was no refresh option, you had 4 choices. Setting aside gear for a moment, there might be a particular hunter skin you like. You are supposed to feel a greater sense of loss if you lose that hunter. The same applies to health and traits. You won't always get the traits you like on a recruit, or the health setup you like. I think preferring male hunters, but all your options are female, that this falls under the game's original design. However they have given us the option to circumvent this system with blood bonds, so as i said above, asking for the option to always have male and female hunters is a reasonable request. I do not think that the system was designed to force/encourage players to spend real money to be able to play as male or females. I find that idea rediculous. I think if anyone is spending money on blood bonds it is for legendary hunters and weapon skins. You get enough bloodbonds from playing the game for the occasional refresh. I think crytek expects and does get most of their money (talking about micro transactions not the main game) from their dlc hunters/skins, not blood bonds.

I am not saying that better gear is not a big advantage, it is. I was saying that refreshing until you get traits you like or health you like isn't a huge advantage.

If you couldn't buy guns in the store and could only use what came on recruits I think you would have an argument. That isn't the case. There is no need to re roll until you get a lebel, just buy one.

Edit: I can see how my wording wasn't clear and you interpreted it as me saying going in fully gear isn't an advantage. I meant that the traits and health layout weren't a huge advantage.

[DonJonTX]

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JamezBong の投稿を引用：

You wont need to have 2 hunters if they tried to put a stop to the loop hole. Then just have 1, I know you mean hunt dollars and I know you cant buy that with real cash. Its unfair to make the Press Refresh Hunters for 20 blood bonds and have a chance to land a very well geared lvl 2 or 3 hunter. Even the lvl 1 hunters, you click refresh until a cheap one comes up. Sure might cost you 3 bucks but hey you saved games of grinding unlike the players without blood bonds. This is a huge disadvantage. The game is based on who has the best gear in this current state.

The female hunter SHOULD have an option to choose. If you want to be a girl fine go for it but why force us, and yes if you keep playing youl get streaks of nothing but women. On a Friday night when you got home from work and just want to game naa, now your this butch hunter with your friend and its girls night out cus yall had no other option. If people were able to pick all the power to them, just dont force me to play as them it ruins the immersion. They did this so your forced to buy blood bonds to refresh if you want to be a guy.

Your saying going in the match full geared is a small advantage that you dont even care. But that makes no logical sense. Im here stating that it is PAY TO WIN, not just cosmetic and this proves it. You really think a new player with no blood bonds can stand a chance with a rich guy who refreshed his hunters until he got one for $250 with a lebel, full traits and med packs. It just goes to show you they went full E.A., You got cash, you got a huge advantage pay to win. Im not saying this broke the game, but another flaw out of many that hurt the product.

That isn't how it works. you could refresh 1000 times you are not going to get a hunter with a lebel for 250 bucks. Refreshing changes the total cost because there are different combinations of gear, it doesn't change what a particular gun costs on that hunter.

The game was originally designed so that you don't always get what you want. When you recruited hunters there was no refresh option, you had 4 choices. Setting aside gear for a moment, there might be a particular hunter skin you like. You are supposed to feel a greater sense of loss if you lose that hunter. The same applies to health and traits. You won't always get the traits you like on a recruit, or the health setup you like. I think preferring male hunters, but all your options are female. This falls under the game's original design. However they have given us the option to circumvent this system with blood bonds, so as i said above, asking for the option to always have male and female hunters is a reasonable request. I do not think that the system was designed to force/encourage players to spend real money to be able to play as male or females. I find that idea rediculous. I think if anyone is spending money on blood bonds it is for legendary hunters and weapon skins. You get enough bloodbonds from playing the game for the occasional refresh. I think crytek expects and does get most of their money (talking about micro transactions not the main game) from their dlc hunters/skins, not blood bonds.

I am not saying that better gear is not a big advantage, it is. I was saying that refreshing until you get traits you like or health you like isn't a huge advantage.

If you couldn't buy guns in the store and could only use what came on recruits I think you would have an argument. That isn't the case. There is no need to re roll until you get a lebel, just buy one.

I get exactly what you are saying now. But that is still a big advantage you could refresh till you get your perfect combo. Sure I could just buy the gun, but it also comes with med packs and traits you dont have to earn and play the game in order to get. I agree its mostly for the skin, but at the same time if getting a fanning along with 2 great guns this hunter is ALOT more deadly than someone not buying bloodbonds. Also think of all the money they save not buying healthkits by just refreshing until you get one you like. I also agree it should have been like before where you cant refresh to increase loss impact but sadly this isnt the case and with the current update everyone would be just women making the blood bonds usless and people quitting. I know they pray on people getting mad their a female and buying blood bonds and thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up why treat your customer base like that. If anything split the hunters 2 male and 2 female to choose from but na thatd be too logical. Theres been times all 4 of my hunters were females. Its also just a skin you should be able to click male and female and it changes instantly. I wouldnt of had a problem too that when this was released if it was 50/50 like die once its a girl hunter die again its a guy. Nope when the update launched my first encounter with this issue was I was a female hunter for like 5 games straight, completely ruined that vibe of the hunt for me

Also why all of a sudden these shady tactics? Why make annoy your fan base like that? This was a MANS game.. now what are they doing nerfing the game, easy money, female only hunters? Wtf

[Raptros]

Once money was out of the balancing picture, the games overall intended balance got shafted hard.

I am thoroughly convinced on that.

[Mecharion]

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PigsR4Eating の投稿を引用：

That isn't how it works. you could refresh 1000 times you are not going to get a hunter with a lebel for 250 bucks. Refreshing changes the total cost because there are different combinations of gear, it doesn't change what a particular gun costs on that hunter.

The game was originally designed so that you don't always get what you want. When you recruited hunters there was no refresh option, you had 4 choices. Setting aside gear for a moment, there might be a particular hunter skin you like. You are supposed to feel a greater sense of loss if you lose that hunter. The same applies to health and traits. You won't always get the traits you like on a recruit, or the health setup you like. I think preferring male hunters, but all your options are female. This falls under the game's original design. However they have given us the option to circumvent this system with blood bonds, so as i said above, asking for the option to always have male and female hunters is a reasonable request. I do not think that the system was designed to force/encourage players to spend real money to be able to play as male or females. I find that idea rediculous. I think if anyone is spending money on blood bonds it is for legendary hunters and weapon skins. You get enough bloodbonds from playing the game for the occasional refresh. I think crytek expects and does get most of their money (talking about micro transactions not the main game) from their dlc hunters/skins, not blood bonds.

I am not saying that better gear is not a big advantage, it is. I was saying that refreshing until you get traits you like or health you like isn't a huge advantage.

If you couldn't buy guns in the store and could only use what came on recruits I think you would have an argument. That isn't the case. There is no need to re roll until you get a lebel, just buy one.

I get exactly what you are saying now. But that is still a big advantage you could refresh till you get your perfect combo. Sure I could just buy the gun, but it also comes with med packs and traits you dont have to earn and play the game in order to get. I agree its mostly for the skin, but at the same time if getting a fanning along with 2 great guns this hunter is ALOT more deadly than someone not buying bloodbonds. Also think of all the money they save not buying healthkits by just refreshing until you get one you like. I also agree it should have been like before where you cant refresh to increase loss impact but sadly this isnt the case and with the current update everyone would be just women making the blood bonds usless and people quitting. I know they pray on people getting mad their a female and buying blood bonds and thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up why treat your customer base like that. If anything split the hunters 2 male and 2 female to choose from but na thatd be too logical. Theres been times all 4 of my hunters were females. Its also just a skin you should be able to click male and female and it changes instantly. I wouldnt of had a problem too that when this was released if it was 50/50 like die once its a girl hunter die again its a guy. Nope when the update launched my first encounter with this issue was I was a female hunter for like 5 games straight, completely ruined that vibe of the hunt for me

Also why all of a sudden these shady tactics? Why make annoy your fan base like that? This was a MANS game.. now what are they doing nerfing the game, easy money, female only hunters? Wtf

Is it to hardcore for you?