Shotguns need to be nerfed

[Lumalee]

How tf a shotgun kill me with 1 shot or 2 shots in medium range?
If they kill me within 8m to 10m then I understand, but shotguns even more powerful than long range armo when they fight each other in medium range (25- 30m)? how tf it can be?
Is this game going to end up like Overwatch? Overwatch they buff some random heroes which nobody asked to be over powered then nerf them to be unplayable?
Do you know how to balance your weapons, devs?
You just nerfing only good aim players, nerf their aiming skills, make them wait for their weapons to reload and this is how you kill the game. This game feel even slower thanks for adding time to reload weapons. And now good players left this game to play faster games like Apex or COD. Now I just end up playing with noobs who keep carrying shotguns then camping inside the buildings.

[Random Hate Boner]

OP is a Level 0 private account. We should stop feeding the troll.

[Lumalee]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Random Hate Boner:

OP is a Level 0 private account. We should stop feeding the troll.

First, I don't spend my money on full price video games on steam, instead I buy video game keys on reliable websites for a small discount.
Second, yea this is why this game is dying (or already dead) because it doesn't meet majority people demand (fast game play, optimization, bugs free, better server and better weapons balance). This game full of middle aged males who can't aim so they have to rely on easy to master weapons like shotguns. I don't play this game majority of my time but this game is getting worse, slower gameplay, server issues and more bugs

[ChaoticusCosmos]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ophanim:

Początkowo opublikowane przez TheChaoticFlame:

I say they should buff em, learn to adapt or die, the bayou couldn't give any less of a care. if I shoot you from 10m it should cause bleed and guarantee a kill (which in most cases they don't). Shotguns are the most under-performing weapons in the game. If you're dying from shotgun at mid range it's because they're landing good direct body-shots which is fair; just shoot them down better, you have the advantage regardless of what you think.

You can easily take out people camping by just being aggressive and knowing where to flank from. Bring fire bombs and explosives, they'll never know what hit em. You're safer from shotgun campers than rifle boys hiding in bushes by a very large margin.

you're a low 3 stars shotgun player, should I take it as an advice? it works when you're 3 stars but it doesn't work with 6 stars players.
About asking for more buff for shotguns? are you kidding me? shotguns are so easy to master, are currently too op with slugs, what the devs need to do is either delete that trash from the game or nerf it to make it more balance. since this game has ranking system then they need to make this game feel faster (you can cancel the delay of your weapons after shot a bullet)

I used to play with shotguns when I first started off because I love shotguns in most games but I suffered greatly because of it. Many people call em RNG cannons and I agree because they're insanely unreliable. I literally get more kills with the Saber than I do with shotgun runs. I became so much better once I learned how to use a riffle and my experience with starting off with shotguns lets me know what I need to do against them (by observing myself and other player's reactions; hence learning to adapt which is what this game is all about).

Many of the people I encounter know how to counter-play shotgunners by verifying what weapon I shoot with and then they play according. After that they have the upper-hand because they know not to get close and I'm stuck using my pistol while they look for good opportunities to gun me down from.

Just because you don't know how to play against shotguns doesn't mean it's too OP. It means you're just being stubborn and defiant.

[Evillo]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ophanim:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Random Hate Boner:

OP is a Level 0 private account. We should stop feeding the troll.

First, I don't spend my money on full price video games on steam, instead I buy video game keys on reliable websites for a small discount.
Second, yea this is why this game is dying (or already dead) because it doesn't meet majority people demand (fast game play, optimization, bugs free, better server and better weapons balance). This game full of middle aged males who can't aim so they have to rely on easy to master weapons like shotguns. I don't play this game majority of my time but this game is getting worse, slower gameplay, server issues and more bugs

this game is not Italiano
dieyngin any way, the player base keep increasing, sure it is a slow and small increase but it is still here, and beside you don't need 128 players to to fill a lobby since the maps only take 12^^. a part for the performace issue I think that the game is improved and they do expand it slowly wile trying to keep it's core so it doesn't turn in another cod fortnite halo ecc.., because If the majority really whanted to play on games like that they would simply drop this game and go there, and middle ages people play on this game because the high risk high reward stile that this game have is more satisfing hant installing a game like Halo and be on the top of the scoreboard since the first game they play (that was very frustrating)

[Ad Hominem]

Shotguns with buckshot in reality would be lethal out to like 50 yards or more with buck shot, and pushing 100 yards with slugs. Shotguns are already *heavily* nerfed. If they were true to real life they'd be the only thing anyone ever used.

[Liber-Tea Spitter]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ad Hominem:

Shotguns with buckshot in reality would be lethal out to like 50 yards or more with buck shot, and pushing 100 yards with slugs. Shotguns are already *heavily* nerfed. If they were true to real life they'd be the only thing anyone ever used.

Yes and no. The game takes place in 1895, the first successful slug did not exist until 1898. That aside, these shotguns would be smoothbore barrels and given the pumpkin ball ammunition they would be horribly inaccurate. Effective range for a slug would've been 30-40m. At 100, you would be lucky to land a hit on your target. 100 to 250 effective range would only apply to modern rifled barrels shooting sabot slug rounds.

General state of shotguns -

Are they nerfed? Yes

OP? No. Anything beyond 25m excluding C/K and you will two tap that shotgun player more quickly if all other variables equal.

Accurate portrayel? Kind of. Powerful but too accurate. The 25m range seems like a good balance for the pinpoint accuracy they have.

Cheers.

[Ad Hominem]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Poco No Bueno:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ad Hominem:

Shotguns with buckshot in reality would be lethal out to like 50 yards or more with buck shot, and pushing 100 yards with slugs. Shotguns are already *heavily* nerfed. If they were true to real life they'd be the only thing anyone ever used.

Yes and no. The game takes place in 1895, the first successful slug did not exist until 1898. That aside, these shotguns would be smoothbore barrels and given the pumpkin ball ammunition they would be horribly inaccurate. Effective range for a slug would've been 30-40m. At 100, you would be lucky to land a hit on your target. 100 to 250 effective range would only apply to modern rifled barrels shooting sabot slug rounds.


Cheers.

Oh yea, 100% fair points. My mind was thinking modern shotguns. Weren't the shells also made of basically paper back then? Since they didn't really have plastic at the time. So if they got all wet, from say... trudging through the swamp, they'd be basically useless?

[Liber-Tea Spitter]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ad Hominem:

Oh yea, 100% fair points. My mind was thinking modern shotguns. Weren't the shells also made of basically paper back then? Since they didn't really have plastic at the time. So if they got all wet, from say... trudging through the swamp, they'd be basically useless?

Yes with a caveat.

1870'ish they were made of a paper/card casing with a brass base. Paper/card shells when wet would lead to a higher percentage chance of a misfire or jams. But, since we aren't recreating 100% historical accuracy it wouldn't make sense to have them not work.

Any gun/ammo dragged through a dirty thick swamp would lead to higher chances of misfire/jams.

Given that this is a game though, jamming/misfires etc would be pretty frustrating.

[Lumalee]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Poco No Bueno:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ad Hominem:

Oh yea, 100% fair points. My mind was thinking modern shotguns. Weren't the shells also made of basically paper back then? Since they didn't really have plastic at the time. So if they got all wet, from say... trudging through the swamp, they'd be basically useless?

Yes with a caveat.

1870'ish they were made of a paper/card casing with a brass base. Paper/card shells when wet would lead to a higher percentage chance of a misfire or jams. But, since we aren't recreating 100% historical accuracy it wouldn't make sense to have them not work.

Any gun/ammo dragged through a dirty thick swamp would lead to higher chances of misfire/jams.

Given that this is a game though, jamming/misfires etc would be pretty frustrating.

tbh, I don't care too much about the heritage of the past because in real life, you get 1 shot on your chess then you will die.
We come back to our main topic, we all agree that slug need to be nerfed right? shotguns for noobs and old people who can't aim, don't you agree?

[Liber-Tea Spitter]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ophanim:

tbh, I don't care too much about the heritage of the past because in real life, you get 1 shot on your chess then you will die.
We come back to our main topic, we all agree that slug need to be nerfed right? shotguns for noobs and old people who can't aim, don't you agree?

Początkowo opublikowane przez Poco No Bueno:

General state of shotguns -

Are they nerfed? Yes

OP? No. Anything beyond 25m excluding C/K and you will two tap that shotgun player more quickly if all other variables equal.

Accurate portrayel? Kind of. Powerful but too accurate. The 25m range seems like a good balance for the pinpoint accuracy they have.

Cheers.

As I already stated. No. They are already in a pretty good place. By the nature that slugs work, you have to aim. Cheers.

[Diiba]

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