Gun needs more balancing (especially the Winfield C and the original Nagant)

[stdyhrd]

It seems like the new custom ammo really brought the compact guns to compete with the long ammo guns, but I still believe some guns are not used at all; like the winfield c and the original nagant.
I think there are no need to tweak the original gun cost, but need experiments through one of these ways.

1) since the winnie C and the original nagant both have scoped version, make them have ammo called 'extra powered longer ammo,' or 'sharpshooter ammo.' make them 400 hunt dollars or more; and provide higher muzzle velocity, less bullet damage drop, more kicks, and less ammo reserve.

2) or make the compact bullet's high velocity be available in a regular ammo crate, at a half of the original ammo gained value.

3) create a category called 'action' or sth, and make them 400 hunt dollars. By changing the action, the fire rate of the gun while ADS is significantly improved.

I love the basic guns, but just price differentiate them seems to have their limit. So please give an option, at least starting from the winnie C and the original nagant, to upgrade them; to be able to have a gunfight with the mosins and lebels if we want to.

[Pieck]

400 hunt dollars? Id better off buy a lebel/mosin hell even a dolch for only 350 more

[GRU-Vy]

The nagant officer is unlocked very early so i dont think anyone bothers with the regular one. The winfield C is a stepping stone to the marksman model and the base model has almost no sway when aiming. Its only let down is smaller magazine but apart from that its a solid weapon. I personally dont bother with the high velocity ammo as the cost vs the gain isnt worth it especially because you need to resupply from special ammo crates. I dont agree with any of your suggestions because these are both starting weapons and are not meant to be as good as the more expensive counter parts. Also soecial ammo crates can be found in every compound and resupply cart areas.

[Barry MaCockiner]

Yup 400 is not a balance, it's just pricing them out of a lot of gamers budgets.
You can't implement changes like that and not tip the scales elsewhere

Yeh yeh we've had the make money discussions, i've read them, but a lot of players like a good cheap option.

There is NO doubt that gun balance/pricing/use is/can be a massive mystery to a lot of players, me included, and now with custom ammo those lines a blurred further still.

Just use what you want to and feel effective with, you can still deal with mosins and lebels.

[stdyhrd]

I might have gone little too far when I said 400; thought that you guys will get the feeling of what I was saying.

And I see that the sways in the basic Winfield C and the original Nagant is very little compared to the other long range rifles.

But, as we know, the other variants, like the officer Nagant has very fast firerate, and the all other Winfield variants either have large number of chambered ammo or use medium ammo.

What I was saying was that the Winfield C and the Nagant original are waste to be just left as the 'stepping stone' that GRU-Vy said.

So if it was the cost that separated the final performance of the weapons, why not just give the option for those 2 base items?

So they can have an option to compete with other high end rifles at a similar overall hunt dollars?

[Barry MaCockiner]

Originally posted by stdyhrd:

I might have gone little too far when I said 400; thought that you guys will get the feeling of what I was saying.

And I see that the sways in the basic Winfield C and the original Nagant is very little compared to the other long range rifles.

But, as we know, the other variants, like the officer Nagant has very fast firerate, and the all other Winfield variants either have large number of chambered ammo or use medium ammo.

What I was saying was that the Winfield C and the Nagant original are waste to be just left as the 'stepping stone' that GRU-Vy said.

So if it was the cost that separated the final performance of the weapons, why not just give the option for those 2 base items?

So they can have an option to compete with other high end rifles at a similar overall hunt dollars?

I kinda get where your going but these balance conversations can get very "circular"

Tweak here, tweak there, you will still get unbalanced this, nerf that posts all the time.
You simply will not please everybody.

If your at 50 metres, (short range weaponry excluded) you will be competing, down to individual skill then rather than cost of the weapon.

You can analyse stats and options till the cows come home, but I doubt you will see any changes from it.

[Trayne]

a winfield is better than a mosin. its all situational and making a gun that is available at level 1 even better that can already outgun a mosin within 40m is dumb.

[stdyhrd]

Originally posted by HardCheddar:

Originally posted by stdyhrd:

I might have gone little too far when I said 400; thought that you guys will get the feeling of what I was saying.

And I see that the sways in the basic Winfield C and the original Nagant is very little compared to the other long range rifles.

But, as we know, the other variants, like the officer Nagant has very fast firerate, and the all other Winfield variants either have large number of chambered ammo or use medium ammo.

What I was saying was that the Winfield C and the Nagant original are waste to be just left as the 'stepping stone' that GRU-Vy said.

So if it was the cost that separated the final performance of the weapons, why not just give the option for those 2 base items?

So they can have an option to compete with other high end rifles at a similar overall hunt dollars?

I kinda get where your going but these balance conversations can get very "circular"

Tweak here, tweak there, you will still get unbalanced this, nerf that posts all the time.
You simply will not please everybody.

If your at 50 metres, (short range weaponry excluded) you will be competing, down to individual skill then rather than cost of the weapon.

You can analyse stats and options till the cows come home, but I doubt you will see any changes from it.

Yes I see that

Just was sad that the other Winfield variants are just an upgrade from the Winfield C version, and the officer nagant was an upgrade from the original nagant version; that only the low tier or the free hunters are using them.

Cause why use Winfield "C" when you have Winfield M; with more than twice the bullets?

Why use Original nagant when you can have officer nagant; with the twice faster firing rate?

Winfield M and officer nagants dominate the mosin or lebel at the close range with 15+ ammos, or faster firing rate, but the C and the original... I was just sad for them...

[stdyhrd]

Originally posted by Trayne:

a winfield is better than a mosin. its all situational and making a gun that is available at level 1 even better that can already outgun a mosin within 40m is dumb.

As I posted on previous comments,

"I was Just was sad that the other Winfield variants are just an upgrade from the Winfield C version, and the officer nagant was an upgrade from the original nagant version; that only the low tier or the free hunters are using them.

Cause why use Winfield "C" when you have Winfield M; with more than twice the bullets?

Why use Original nagant when you can have officer nagant; with the twice faster firing rate?

Winfield M and officer nagants dominate the mosin or lebel at the close range with 15+ ammos, or faster firing rate, but the C and the original"

And for the unlock part

Required exp needed to unlock the variants can make it more challenging for the low level hunters. And when those specific bullet or parts are at the end of the unlock, with a large amount of the exp requirement, it will not be level 1 who could be able to use that gun; but those who will soon have access to the lebel.

Also by pricing them high, the low level hunters will be priced out from using them, and the high level hunters, who thought the Winfield C and the original nagant were utterly useless unless silenced, could have 2 more guns to choose from.

[Barry MaCockiner]

Edit: Just the bit I was interested in from stdyhrd

"Also by pricing them high, the low level hunters will be priced out from using them, and the high level hunters, who thought the Winfield C and the original nagant were utterly useless unless silenced, could have 2 more guns to choose from"

At the risk of sounding all "free guns for all hippie" here.

Lets not get elitist about it, it's only a game, progress and experience should have it's own rewards, BUT it has to be accessible for new players.

I would not like to be Lvl 5 with my small ammo pistol and dusters trying to roll with some sweatie who out-ranges me by 200 yards cause he's been here longer than I have...