The numbers behind cheating

[DrawenHUN]

For a long time now players are loud about cheaters on these forums. While i say not every fishy shot is cheating (lets admit we all had kills where we said "Yes now im getting reported") but the cheating here in Hunt is getting out of hand these days and some of you fellow players still refuse to believe that its a serious problem already. What am i talking about? I am talking about every possible cheats not just aimbots. Lets make a list of examples.

Aimbot
Wallhack
Infinite darksight boost without bounty
Infinite ammo
Weapons without sound
Infinite consumables
Speedhack
Reshading (yes just include it as it modifies your chance of spotting targets at night.

I have been here since the early access but even though i only met 1 cheater during that period, now its a daily thing. Git gud some would say but i do have above average kd and i think i know the map as well so its not about being good or bad. Its about NUMBERS. I will call our old friend math to help us out decide how bad is when we talk about cheaters.
So according to Cryteks news in the last ban period they banned almost 1100 cheaters. This period was a month and the numbers were only 400-500 if we go back a few months. Some say 1100 is not a huge number, well actually it is. Considering its impossible to ban all cheaters we can safely assume that there is at least just as much cheaters not detected. 2000 active cheaters per month. The peak player numbers are mostly 12k give or take a little. I would say hunt PC has around 40k active players who play almost every day. Now calculating with only 1k cheaters its easy to admit that 1/40 player is cheating surely and maybe even more, thats almost 1 cheater per every 3 match if you are unlucky.

Now do some more math. Lets say a cheater plays 3 games everyday. Thats not much right? Thats daily 3000 games ruined if there is no match with 2 cheaters. 3000games * 11players = Daily 33000 gamers have to face these cheaters if we dont calculate with undetected ones.
See these numbers are not that low considering hunt has a relatively low playerbase.

Also dont forget that in hunt there is no killcam so its nearly impossible to spot smart wallhack users if they ignore the urge to shoot you through a house(yes we have spectate but i m not going to spectate someone for 20 min just to see if they hack). Please dont hide your head in the sand, we all know there are exceptionally good players and insane lucky shots but we cannot ignore the rising number of cheaters, we have to make Crytek listen and find a solution to the problem that it takes months to ban a cheater and they can just buy another copy and play again. They have to be stopped by an authorization system or hardware bans. As long as this is not solved its like trying to save a sinking ship with a bucket. The cheaters they ban will return instantly. This is the real problem. This way we have an endless source of cheaters ruining this awesome game. I hope even the fanboys can understand that ignoring cheaters wont help the situation especially when the devs publish rising numbers each month. We all want fair games, and if the system doesnt change we will only get farther from that.

Thanks for reading! Please no naming and shaming in this thread and even if you wish to argue keep a good manner. We are all enthusiast players, we all hate cheaters.

[GG - IZI (Roda)]

lately we are been killed by super low KDA players.. like ugly bad players heheheh never happended before.. my KDA is 2.5... getting insta headshot from people with new accounts and double arrow down. XD... crytek pls fix hahahaha

[Connatic]

A lot of assumptions in the OP. I'd hardly call that math.

[DrawenHUN]

Connatic původně napsal:

A lot of assumptions in the OP. I'd hardly call that math.

A lot of numbers were provided. I only calculated with what they confirmed. :) Only the 40k active players is an assumption but if you want to leave that out, you are free to do the math without it, it wont be any better. :) 1100 cheater banned in a month where peak player number is mostly 12k, well you know thats not good even if we assume that they banned every cheater :)

[Connatic]

DrawenHUN původně napsal:

Connatic původně napsal:

A lot of assumptions in the OP. I'd hardly call that math.

A lot of numbers were provided. I only calculated with what they confirmed. :) Only the 40k active players is an assumption but if you want to leave that out, you are free to do the math without it, it wont be any better. :) 1100 cheater banned in a month where peak player number is mostly 12k, well you know thats not good even if we assume that they banned every cheater :)

You need to compare the 1100 total bans with the Total number of players in the same month. Not the Concurrent player count.

If we go by your made up number, that 12k Concurrent players equals 30% of 40k Active players in a given period, then 1100 Total Cheaters would equal 330 Concurrent Cheaters the latest ban period.

So really you should be comparing 330 cheaters to 12,000 or 1100 to 40,000. Yes cheaters are annoying, but this post is very misleading with a lot of assumptions and hypotheticals. You didn't provide any numbers behind cheating. No real data here.

[DrawenHUN]

Connatic původně napsal:

DrawenHUN původně napsal:

A lot of numbers were provided. I only calculated with what they confirmed. :) Only the 40k active players is an assumption but if you want to leave that out, you are free to do the math without it, it wont be any better. :) 1100 cheater banned in a month where peak player number is mostly 12k, well you know thats not good even if we assume that they banned every cheater :)

You need to compare the 1100 total bans with the Total number of players in the same month. Not the Concurrent player count.

If we go by your made up number, that 12k Concurrent players equals 30% of 40k Active players in a given period, then 1100 Total Cheaters would equal 330 Concurrent Cheaters the latest ban period.

So really you should be comparing 330 cheaters to 12,000 or 1100 to 40,000. Yes cheaters are annoying, but this post is very misleading with a lot of assumptions and hypotheticals. You didn't provide any numbers behind cheating. No real data here.

I would have to compare it with the number of active players, we dont have that information. I think some players underestimate how huge this number is in a small scale game like hunt. You can ignore the presence of hackers or you can face that EAC is less than worthless. Personally i dont think there is much aimbotters as its easy to spot but i have seen examples of infinite ammo avtos and nitros, infinite darksight boosters and noticeable things like this. Sure we can assume there are not many cheaters but since i played this game in early access too, i had the chance to try this game when it really had no cheaters. During that period i only faced a single aimbotter and he got banned after my report. Now i find the same blatant cheaters each week against me. Some of the cheaters dont even try to hide wh, the other day i played against a guy who ran around the compound and only stopped to wallbang us even though we didnt peek and avoided cracks. You can try to prove me cheating is not bad here but all i see is that numbers are worse each and every month. And the same blatant cheaters are not banned as i run into them every few days. Cheating has a huge market now, even many streamers earn their bread with dishonest plays. :)

[Inquisitioner]

papsmirnoff původně napsal:

I gave an award to MisterCrow for having 1000 hours on this game. I'm impressed sir.

Will you give one to me too if I leave Steamidle on for a month or so? :)

[Sauske]

poltergeist původně napsal:

DrawenHUN původně napsal:

The peak player numbers are mostly 12k give or take a little. I would say hunt PC has around 40k active players who play almost every day.

That's where you are wrong.. I am a game developer and I have seen that 20,000 online players during peak hours translates to 500,000 monthly active players. Also keep in mind that Crytek reported 3,000,000 sold copies of Hunt.

While many hardcore players will play almost every day, there is a magnitude of casual players that will play a few hours per week, and these will actually make the majority of your total player numbers.

Thank you. That is basically word for word what I have been saying on here forever, but all I get is "haha, he stoopid, can´t read Steamcharts lol. Only 8000 players play this game, so 20% of the playerbase are cheaters".

[Connatic]

DrawenHUN původně napsal:

Connatic původně napsal:

You need to compare the 1100 total bans with the Total number of players in the same month. Not the Concurrent player count.

If we go by your made up number, that 12k Concurrent players equals 30% of 40k Active players in a given period, then 1100 Total Cheaters would equal 330 Concurrent Cheaters the latest ban period.

So really you should be comparing 330 cheaters to 12,000 or 1100 to 40,000. Yes cheaters are annoying, but this post is very misleading with a lot of assumptions and hypotheticals. You didn't provide any numbers behind cheating. No real data here.

I would have to compare it with the number of active players, we dont have that information. I think some players underestimate how huge this number is in a small scale game like hunt. You can ignore the presence of hackers or you can face that EAC is less than worthless. Personally i dont think there is much aimbotters as its easy to spot but i have seen examples of infinite ammo avtos and nitros, infinite darksight boosters and noticeable things like this. Sure we can assume there are not many cheaters but since i played this game in early access too, i had the chance to try this game when it really had no cheaters. During that period i only faced a single aimbotter and he got banned after my report. Now i find the same blatant cheaters each week against me. Some of the cheaters dont even try to hide wh, the other day i played against a guy who ran around the compound and only stopped to wallbang us even though we didnt peek and avoided cracks. You can try to prove me cheating is not bad here but all i see is that numbers are worse each and every month. And the same blatant cheaters are not banned as i run into them every few days. Cheating has a huge market now, even many streamers earn their bread with dishonest plays. :)

Yes, a lot of assumptions and personal anecdotes. Even claiming most streamers are cheaters.

The amount of active cheaters in this game is around 2-3% of the player base, based on your numbers. Which means it's actually probably less than that.

[Sauske]

Connatic původně napsal:

DrawenHUN původně napsal:

I would have to compare it with the number of active players, we dont have that information. I think some players underestimate how huge this number is in a small scale game like hunt. You can ignore the presence of hackers or you can face that EAC is less than worthless. Personally i dont think there is much aimbotters as its easy to spot but i have seen examples of infinite ammo avtos and nitros, infinite darksight boosters and noticeable things like this. Sure we can assume there are not many cheaters but since i played this game in early access too, i had the chance to try this game when it really had no cheaters. During that period i only faced a single aimbotter and he got banned after my report. Now i find the same blatant cheaters each week against me. Some of the cheaters dont even try to hide wh, the other day i played against a guy who ran around the compound and only stopped to wallbang us even though we didnt peek and avoided cracks. You can try to prove me cheating is not bad here but all i see is that numbers are worse each and every month. And the same blatant cheaters are not banned as i run into them every few days. Cheating has a huge market now, even many streamers earn their bread with dishonest plays. :)

Yes, a lot of assumptions and personal anecdotes. Even claiming most streamers are cheaters.

The amount of active cheaters in this game is around 2-3% of the player base, based on your numbers.

Well, "many" does not really translate to "most" in this case. There are countless streamers out there.

But yeah, as much as I agree that the percentage of cheating players must have gone up big time since early access - because, obviously they would - cheating in Hunt isn´t super prevalent. I have run into some very obvious wallhack users lately, but it isn´t very common by any means. And while I have seen videos of the absurd infinite ammo/no recoil/infinite penetration etc. hacks, I have never encountered any of such myself, nor has anyone I know. So they clearly aren´t all over the place.

Saying it is 2-3% might well be correct, but it is a stretch tbh. People who get banned for cheating =/= people who cheated during the period. Pretty sure you can get banned even if you haven´t cheated in a while, and obviously not all cheaters get banned in a banwave. Moreover, we don´t know the playerbase size, which is pretty crucial to know to be able to assess this. It sucks, but we just have to accept that there is no way for us to know any exact numbers, and we just gotta do our best to keep the game clean whatever the numbers might be.

[Connatic]

Saying it is 2-3% might well be correct, but it is a stretch tbh.

That was based on his made up "numbers behind cheaters", so it's probably less than that.

[Sauske]

Connatic původně napsal:

Saying it is 2-3% might well be correct, but it is a stretch tbh.

That was based on his made up "numbers behind cheaters", so it's probably less than that.

Well I reported a blatant wallhacker and aimbotter almost 3 months ago now, and he doesn´t appear to be banned (assuming the dev game ban shows on his steam profile, which I am not sure of), so it also might be more than that, especially since it is basically impossible to tell a smart wallhack user from a really good player in this game. The dude only has 28 hours on Hunt though, and hasn´t played it in like a month now, so either way, at least this particular piece of ♥♥♥♥ shouldn´t be any trouble.

But my point was, there is no way to even guess the percentage, sadly.

[Connatic]

Ainess původně napsal:

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But my point was, there is no way to even guess the percentage, sadly.

Mine too, but the OP made it sound like he had news or hard facts to give.

[Bloof Malloy Flumberghast]

1200 hours here. I have told people plenty over the years that Crytek doesn't have a big cheating problem, mostly it's a matter of people being really good at the game. A couple times there has been a surge of cheaters but the problem never seems to get too bad.

Right now it's complete Bullllllsheeee. CRYTEK FIX YOUR CHEATING PROBLEM. I don't want to waste time in a game where some scrub with a cheat can just headshot me with an aura or aim hack. WASTE OF TIME. There's literally no point in playing any game where there isn't real competition, you're just there to be a stooge for the cheaters.

[Z3pheeR]

This sounds like a bad player crying about cheaters without any hard-evidence. I've met a couple of cheaters in almost 1k hours and reported them WITH VIDEO PROOF, but that's really it. If you think about the deaths you made after your anger wears of, you'll notice your mistakes, even more so if you record your own gameplay, and I'm talking out of experience.
Yeah, the game has cheaters, but they're so rare to meet it's almost a blessing to find one, just to laugh at how bad they are in spectator mode after they wipe the floor with you.

[James]

Z3pheeR původně napsal:

This sounds like a bad player crying about cheaters without any hard-evidence. I've met a couple of cheaters in almost 1k hours and reported them WITH VIDEO PROOF, but that's really it. If you think about the deaths you made after your anger wears of, you'll notice your mistakes, even more so if you record your own gameplay, and I'm talking out of experience.
Yeah, the game has cheaters, but they're so rare to meet it's almost a blessing to find one, just to laugh at how bad they are in spectator mode after they wipe the floor with you.

I'd wipe the floor with you bro. K/D 7.0 - Bomb lance veteran