Serious question, how do you *ever* survive?

[Droolguy]

2.1 hours so I can't refund but three out of three games played, first player to the boss, solo kill boss, get *IMMEDIATELY* dogpiled and die by campers waiting outside the boss.

Every. Single. Time.

Seems like the intended gameplay here is literally "just wait for someone else to do all the objectives and then kill them". To which your entirely powerless to stop the campers because as soon as you pick up the objective they know where you are at all times.

I have got to be missing something or this is the most broken gameplay loop ever. Might as well just play it as a straight up arena shooter because your going to be forced to kill everyone on the map anyway. Or simply camp the boss and kill anyone who tries to fiight it ganker style which seems to be the go to method of playing the game.

Yes, I am a little salty.

[Unknown]

Автор сообщения: Jabberwöcky

Master tips everyone will agree with:

1) NEVER peak the same window. NEVER shoot from the same position twice unless your shooting your enemies back. ALWAYS move to a new position while reloading.

2) While shooting: NEVER have your barrel sticking out of a window, shoot from inside, helps hide your position/sound.

3) NEVER crouch walk around long distances. Its always better to be loud and get into a good position, than to slow walk across a bad area.

4) Sound is key in this game, its better to ghost an area (not killing anything and just walking through silently) than killing things in your way. Shooting lanterns over chickens/dogs, throwing poison over crows, silently shooting a zombie/hive, etc, ALL makes sound, and can be heard over a compound easily.

5) Always look to make the second move. Let others go first and then shoot them once you get a good shot. Let others do the boss and wait for a good chance, while their inside making a rucus, sneak in and take them out.

6) In solo/duo/trio, NEVER let your back exposed. Always keep it up against a wall, out of bounds, etc. ESPECIALLY when going after another team, your chances of getting sandwiched by another team go up drastically, cause thats what other teams want to do.

Good general tips

[Droolguy]

Автор сообщения: Jabberwöcky

Master tips everyone will agree with:

1) NEVER peak the same window. NEVER shoot from the same position twice unless your shooting your enemies back. ALWAYS move to a new position while reloading.

2) While shooting: NEVER have your barrel sticking out of a window, shoot from inside, helps hide your position/sound.

3) NEVER crouch walk around long distances. Its always better to be loud and get into a good position, than to slow walk across a bad area.

4) Sound is key in this game, its better to ghost an area (not killing anything and just walking through silently) than killing things in your way. Shooting lanterns over chickens/dogs, throwing poison over crows, silently shooting a zombie/hive, etc, ALL makes sound, and can be heard over a compound easily.

5) Always look to make the second move. Let others go first and then shoot them once you get a good shot. Let others do the boss and wait for a good chance, while their inside making a rucus, sneak in and take them out.

6) In solo/duo/trio, NEVER let your back exposed. Always keep it up against a wall, out of bounds, etc. ESPECIALLY when going after another team, your chances of getting sandwiched by another team go up drastically, cause thats what other teams want to do.

Those are all shooter basics, while thank you for trying it is at least attempting to be useful, what I mean is how do you get out without fighting everyone. I play a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton of shooters, most of them competitively, and this game seems to simply devolve into a straight up PvP shooter every match.

I didn't buy it to play a generic PvP FPS with unnecessary PvE elements pasted over the top as it was advertised as a "little bit of both". But from what I have seen (and the video someone just posted) it's basically just ganking people/camping the objectives, not actually doing them.

I should have read the forums more before making the purchase but I didn't and it bit me in the ass on this one.

[Unknown]

*asks question*

*gets answers he didn't want to hear*

*ignores them and says it's the games fault*

[SäydaNeen]

You have to learn the game. The hunters you are getting killed by are listening to your every step. Silence is key if you are storming a compound. It really is a game of tactics more than a run and gun shooter.

[Droolguy]

Автор сообщения: Umbles

*asks question*

*gets answers he didn't want to hear*

*ignores them and says it's the games fault*

Not at all, I got the answer I was expecting. Which is that the game is exactly as it seemed to be, a straight up PvP shooter with a thin PvE shell wrapped around it.

So I will just play something else.

It's my fault for looking at the games sale page and not reading the forums before hand which pretty clearly lay that out.

[Magna Noctua]

Автор сообщения: Droolguy

*No* game takes 50 hours to master the basics.

I think you guys can't answer because the answer is one you don't want to admit, which is the game massively favors campers and gankers over playing the objectives.

I spent this whole time looking through the forums and reading threads that basically amount to this.

"Ignore clues, run straight to the middle, listen for gunshots of players, kill everyone in ambush stupid enough to be loud, wait for boss to start banishing to flush out sneaky players (from middle you have plenty of time to set up ambush outside boss), kill them too, ignore all PvE gameplay"

Seems pretty basic to me.

Actually plenty of games take hours like that or more to master, DBD for instance, you are kind of considered fairly new until a few hundred hours into the game. I get its frustrating, but this is not a game you just instantly pick up and do great (tho you can do great at shooting people if you are good at fps but that wont matter as much if you are always loud as ♥♥♥♥ and ppl hear you coming a mile away and just ambush you), there are a lot of mechanics involved that take time to learn and master, I myself have been learning more and more in my 100 hours of gameplay so far. Still have lots to learn and have been loving the game so far.

This is NOT a basic game. I have seen ppl die to pve elements, traps, their own hubris a lot of the time honestly, because they just try and go in guns blazing to kill everyone.

The best advice I could give you is be patient, take your time, use the sound in the game, and if you are solo, probably best to not go for bounty at start of match unless you are confident in dealing with at minimum 2 teams coming at you. If you have friends you can play with, its 1000% times more fun and easier to see how the mechanics fall into place. but I want to reiterate, the biggest piece of advice, be patient with the game. this is NOT COD or Fortnite.

Hopefully you get more time and start to actually enjoy the game as much as I have been. Its been a blast for me. Good Luck on your Hunts!

[Unknown]

Автор сообщения: Droolguy

Автор сообщения: Umbles

*asks question*

*gets answers he didn't want to hear*

*ignores them and says it's the games fault*

Not at all, I got the answer I was expecting. Which is that the game is exactly as it seemed to be, a straight up PvP shooter with a thin PvE shell wrapped around it.

So I will just play something else.

It's my fault for looking at the games sale page and not reading the forums before hand which pretty clearly lay that out.

everyone is telling you that you are too inexperienced... how does that translate to pvp shooter with pve shell?

You clearly had your mind made up before you posted your question. gg ig.

[Droolguy]

Автор сообщения: Umbles

Автор сообщения: Droolguy

Not at all, I got the answer I was expecting. Which is that the game is exactly as it seemed to be, a straight up PvP shooter with a thin PvE shell wrapped around it.

So I will just play something else.

It's my fault for looking at the games sale page and not reading the forums before hand which pretty clearly lay that out.

everyone is telling you that you are too inexperienced... how does that translate to pvp shooter with pve shell?

You clearly had your mind made up before you posted your question. gg ig.

It translates because literally every suggestion is how to be a more effective PvP killer (or simply "play more" which I ignore outright), except one, which is to kill the boss with sticky to finish it quicker.

If you read between the lines that means that no one actually knows how to play the objectives, kill the boss, and get out without major PvP @ the boss. Otherwise they would have made those suggestions.

That means this game is not for me, as I get more than enough ganking out of the more popular shooters.

[Connatic]

Автор сообщения: Droolguy

Автор сообщения: Umbles

*asks question*

*gets answers he didn't want to hear*

*ignores them and says it's the games fault*

Not at all, I got the answer I was expecting. Which is that the game is exactly as it seemed to be, a straight up PvP shooter with a thin PvE shell wrapped around it.

So I will just play something else.

It's my fault for looking at the games sale page and not reading the forums before hand which pretty clearly lay that out.

If you don't want to buy a game, read the forums. You'll always find a handful of angry people to convince you not to buy it.

But the store page never claimed to be a PvE shooter with optional PvP.

[Unknown]

Автор сообщения: Droolguy

Автор сообщения: Umbles

everyone is telling you that you are too inexperienced... how does that translate to pvp shooter with pve shell?

You clearly had your mind made up before you posted your question. gg ig.

It translates because literally every suggestion is how to be a more effective PvP killer (or simply "play more" which I ignore outright), except one, which is to kill the boss with sticky to finish it quicker.

If you read between the lines that means that no one actually knows how to play the objectives, kill the boss, and get out without major PvP @ the boss. Otherwise they would have made those suggestions.

That means this game is not for me, as I get more than enough ganking out of the more popular shooters.

If you didn't want any pvp, then yeah, this game was a bad choice. If you want to increase your odds of extracting without killing people. Mele bosses, use fire on all but butcher. Use Silenced weapons. If there are two bounties, wait for the other one to be banished first, wait 30 seconds to a minute, then banish yours. Find the boss fast, which unless you know the game and it's limits is going to be hard to do without making a bunch of noise. Bring stamina shots so you can run across the whole map without getting winded. Most of the time you only need to pressure other people for a minute or two (not even hit them) to get them to bunker down, which lets you run away. Basically find and kill the boss as fast and silently as possible, out maneuver other team.

Knowing the map well really helps when running too, knowing what areas will slow you down, what areas have little cover, etc etc

[Pinglesshunting]

I wish you the refund, This game has inconsistent pacing like you say. Some are camping, some are rushing, because the game design this to be just adad 2 taps kill, while making the area too big for its type. I am so bored of every game, teammate just run A to B to seek shooting eventhough we have a ambush chance. I am bored of working the way for twenty minutes just to be put in 1 second headshot game. Better to give a deathmatch arena.
There is no middle ground between rushy and tactical in this game.

Its either adad or camp

[Badass_Ben]

Автор сообщения: Droolguy

I already know about the boss notification of other players, as well as the dark sight boost, and am using both. But it takes so long to kill the boss that so far it has been guaranteed to just be a straight up UT2K4 match as soon as you leave the arena.

No generalizations guys, they are not helpful, if you can't explicitly explain how to get out once you get the bounty then it's not helpful and furthers my "I'll just kill every player on the map before even going to the boss" mentality at this point as that seems like the only functional way to play the game.

I play solo almost exclusively
It can be done, but you have to play smarter than everyone else

Direct assaults are generally out of the question

Rifles are your best bet, as its easier to pick people off with range and distance, than close range combat

Your main goal is to ambush a team with the bounty on the way to extraction

If you can successfully drop a player with your intial ambush, you are left with a 1v1 which is definitely winnable

ONCE you have the bounty

Use Dark Sight, find the enemies, and run the other way

[Darkheztien]

thats kinda normal wait on boss on other players before you starts fight with him to just eliminate who come to you or be killed also u can fight with boss and deff after. this ''camping'' is just one of type tactics stay behind the cover waiting for enemy move becouse not all the time is good idea rush on enemy:in last game i with 2 other random guys just rekt entire match in church one team in church waiting for other just flanking them from 2 sites and 2 others team when one of us wait upstairs and i outside behind tombstone. of course reckless people without thinking and scouting terrain just rush to building from our site when behind window was my mate and we just kill them all. thats just tactics my friend in real life too better site in place than die in stupid way by rushing on everyone if you will not suprise them and kill them faster.

[Lord Mordack]

My advice would be that do not stay inside the boss lair once you banish. Try and make an ambush somewhere outside.
The boss lair is where the arriving teams will focus on mostly. So getting an early kill on one of them when they're approaching increases your chances significantly.

[remindm3later]

Автор сообщения: -SNiGS- Slayer

Автор сообщения: Droolguy

*No* game takes 50 hours to master the basics.

I think you guys can't answer because the answer is one you don't want to admit, which is the game massively favors campers and gankers over playing the objectives.

I spent this whole time looking through the forums and reading threads that basically amount to this.

"Ignore clues, run straight to the middle, listen for gunshots of players, kill everyone in ambush stupid enough to be loud, wait for boss to start banishing to flush out sneaky players (from middle you have plenty of time to set up ambush outside boss), kill them too, ignore all PvE gameplay"

Seems pretty basic to me.

430+ hrs over 3 years, played as solo this whole time. I dont think i've ever seen, even 1 other person take a clue.

In every single match i've ever played, i'm the one whos collecting clues and revealing the location of the Bounty. I have only ever learned of a Bounties position from another player from them Banishing it.

I have never witnessed my own map getting greyed out compounds from someone else collecting a clue.

There are things about the game that personify the vulture mindset in gamers, which causes people like that, and people who can grow into that niche, to flourish and drive the direction of the game meta play. Which means everyone else whos trying to figure out whats going on, gets to learn the hard way.

Tarkov is very similar. Though.. a bit stranger in execution because its modern warfare, and agents from the same faction will kill each other on sight in a match.

So if I understand you correctly, you think that if an enemy player picks up a clue, it shrinks your map as well? That's not how this works. And btw a good example of someone having played over 400 hours and still having to learn some basic mechanics of the game.