This game is unplayable for new players

[Expired Yesterday]

Guys, I played Hunt long time ago when it was just released in early access, then I gave up because my servers were all empty.
I decided to give it another try after a couple of years given that many changes were introduced. I tried the quickplay mode and was matched with 70-100 level players, against whom I stood no chance at all with my level 2. Then I tried the Bounty Hunt. And guess what. I played alone in several games in succession against teams of two and very skilled solo players (70-100 again). And yes, i did uncheck "allow teams of three" option. Coupled with the eternity long loading..it's kind of frustrating.

Is is supposed to be so challenging that I want to uninstall the game after one hour or am I doing anything wrong?
I am deciding whether to give it another try and would be thankful if anyone would comment on that or give a piece of advice.

Thanks for you answers.

[BIG D' williamson from mBHS]

Just play with randoms. Dodge the players that hide their stats as they are mostly trolls / leavers / tkers, but otherwise it's a good time. Even the low stat / new players make the game fun in random 3's.

[Terminal Velocity]

You could go to Discord and find some teammates there, so that you dont risk running into toxic randoms.

[Zabusa]

Use romero and gg

[Ainess]

Messaggio originale di Revanchist:

I tried the quickplay mode and was matched with 70-100 level players, against whom I stood no chance at all with my level 2.

That´s kinda hilarious tbh.

First of, if you are referring to bloodline rank, that´s basically irrelevant. 70-100 rank can be reached in just a few days of playing, and as such, does not represent any significant skill difference. Also, it does not buff your hunters all that much. It just gives you more options in what weapons and traits you can get, but you can win perfectly fine with starting weapons against any loadouts and traits. Also also, it extra doesn´t matter in quickplay, since in QP, rank does not factor in in any way whatsoever.

Secondly, quickplay has no matchmaking. Everyone plays against everyone.

But perhaps most importantly, this isn´t the kind of game you should expect to do well at within ONE hour of playing it. Sorry, that´s just a completely delusional expectation.

[Magna Noctua]

Messaggio originale di Ainess:

Messaggio originale di Revanchist:

I tried the quickplay mode and was matched with 70-100 level players, against whom I stood no chance at all with my level 2.

That´s kinda hilarious tbh.

First of, if you are referring to bloodline rank, that´s basically irrelevant. 70-100 rank can be reached in just a few days of playing, and as such, does not represent any significant skill difference. Also, it does not buff your hunters all that much. It just gives you more options in what weapons and traits you can get, but you can win perfectly fine with starting weapons against any loadouts and traits. Also also, it extra doesn´t matter in quickplay, since in QP, rank does not factor in in any way whatsoever.

Secondly, quickplay has no matchmaking. Everyone plays against everyone.

But perhaps most importantly, this isn´t the kind of game you should expect to do well at within ONE hour of playing it. Sorry, that´s just a completely delusional expectation.

This gets even more hilarious when you realize that quickplay, nobody starts off with anything but a random loadout, of the following 1:random pistol, 2: random melee weapon, 3: random shotgun, 4:random of the previous 3 options. Bloodline rank, haz ZERO impact on quickplay, you dont even start off with perks, its a level 1 Hunter with nothing, where if you want a random perk, you find clues, you want weapons, you scout around compounds for them (they are EVERYWHERE, and can be all sorts of weapons, even if you dont have them unlocked yourself) or get them off dead hunters. Also, there are no teams in it, its every man for themself, as the only way to win is to be the wellspring and outast everyone else while the timer runs out, or kill everyone else on the map.

[Ainess]

Messaggio originale di Magna Noctua:

Messaggio originale di Ainess:

That´s kinda hilarious tbh.

First of, if you are referring to bloodline rank, that´s basically irrelevant. 70-100 rank can be reached in just a few days of playing, and as such, does not represent any significant skill difference. Also, it does not buff your hunters all that much. It just gives you more options in what weapons and traits you can get, but you can win perfectly fine with starting weapons against any loadouts and traits. Also also, it extra doesn´t matter in quickplay, since in QP, rank does not factor in in any way whatsoever.

Secondly, quickplay has no matchmaking. Everyone plays against everyone.

But perhaps most importantly, this isn´t the kind of game you should expect to do well at within ONE hour of playing it. Sorry, that´s just a completely delusional expectation.

This gets even more hilarious when you realize that quickplay, nobody starts off with anything but a random loadout, of the following 1:random pistol, 2: random melee weapon, 3: random shotgun, 4:random of the previous 3 options. Bloodline rank, haz ZERO impact on quickplay, you dont even start off with perks, its a level 1 Hunter with nothing, where if you want a random perk, you find clues, you want weapons, you scout around compounds for them (they are EVERYWHERE, and can be all sorts of weapons, even if you dont have them unlocked yourself) or get them off dead hunters. Also, there are no teams in it, its every man for themself, as the only way to win is to be the wellspring and outast everyone else while the timer runs out, or kill everyone else on the map.

Yeah, exactly. That´s pretty much what I meant by "rank doesn´t matter at all in QP".

Sure, on the other hand, there is no MM, and the game ultimately isn´t easy for beginners, but... I mean, obviously, right? If you want a game easy for beginners, get an easy, casual, single-player game. No PvP game ever can be easy for beginners.

[staring at the dust]

Messaggio originale di Revanchist:

Guys, I played Hunt long time ago when it was just released in early access, then I gave up because my servers were all empty.
I decided to give it another try after a couple of years given that many changes were introduced. I tried the quickplay mode and was matched with 70-100 level players, against whom I stood no chance at all with my level 2. Then I tried the Bounty Hunt. And guess what. I played alone in several games in succession against teams of two and very skilled solo players (70-100 again). And yes, i did uncheck "allow teams of three" option. Coupled with the eternity long loading..it's kind of frustrating.

Is is supposed to be so challenging that I want to uninstall the game after one hour or am I doing anything wrong?
I am deciding whether to give it another try and would be thankful if anyone would comment on that or give a piece of advice.

Thanks for you answers.

the Asia server is pretty much dead. no one plays the game over there, or at least not on their server.

if you want full games go for US West / Russia if you are from South Korea.

Quickplay has no match-making! You can be matched against anyone.

Bounty hunt does have match-making, but since you are still new and inexperienced most players will beat you.

The bloodline level of a player, his prestige level, nor his KDA play a role in his/her MMR rating.

Try watching Youtube videos first. Look up some guides and VODs of good players. This will help you immensely.

Good luck!

[PK_Thunder]

Far, far from it. I started playing a year and a half ago. Quickswap was still a thing, so often you'd find yourself dead from two bodyshots a hundred fifty meters away before you ever heard a gunshot, with zero explanation. There were no random items to find and loot around the map(the bloodline xp ones alone really improve progression). The matchmaking didn't favor new players like it does now.

The game has changed enormously, mostly with new players in mind.

[Expired Yesterday]

Messaggio originale di Ainess:

Messaggio originale di Revanchist:

I tried the quickplay mode and was matched with 70-100 level players, against whom I stood no chance at all with my level 2.

That´s kinda hilarious tbh.

First of, if you are referring to bloodline rank, that´s basically irrelevant. 70-100 rank can be reached in just a few days of playing, and as such, does not represent any significant skill difference. Also, it does not buff your hunters all that much. It just gives you more options in what weapons and traits you can get, but you can win perfectly fine with starting weapons against any loadouts and traits. Also also, it extra doesn´t matter in quickplay, since in QP, rank does not factor in in any way whatsoever.

Secondly, quickplay has no matchmaking. Everyone plays against everyone.

But perhaps most importantly, this isn´t the kind of game you should expect to do well at within ONE hour of playing it. Sorry, that´s just a completely delusional expectation.

Hilarious is that you are obviously missing the point of my message.
I am talking about NEW players with no experience whatsoever. I observed high ranked players in my lobbies for a while. The knowledge of the map, enemies, movements, and fighting skills of theirs is something you acquire during multiple gameplay hours. They absolutely should never play against newcomers in their first ever games. It will just scare players and make them leave quickly and never come back. Even now, it takes ages to get in a match. I am just sad that the game with such great mechanics is not friendly for new players.
And I know what I am talking about and have something to compare to. I have over 3000 hours in Apex Legends. The lobby for level 1 and level 500 is absolutely different there. That game gives you a chance to learn at least.

Please, don't bother yourself with answering.

[staring at the dust]

Messaggio originale di Revanchist:

Messaggio originale di Ainess:

That´s kinda hilarious tbh.

First of, if you are referring to bloodline rank, that´s basically irrelevant. 70-100 rank can be reached in just a few days of playing, and as such, does not represent any significant skill difference. Also, it does not buff your hunters all that much. It just gives you more options in what weapons and traits you can get, but you can win perfectly fine with starting weapons against any loadouts and traits. Also also, it extra doesn´t matter in quickplay, since in QP, rank does not factor in in any way whatsoever.

Secondly, quickplay has no matchmaking. Everyone plays against everyone.

But perhaps most importantly, this isn´t the kind of game you should expect to do well at within ONE hour of playing it. Sorry, that´s just a completely delusional expectation.

Hilarious is that you are obviously missing the point of my message.
I am talking about NEW players with no experience whatsoever. I observed high ranked players in my lobbies for a while. The knowledge of the map, enemies, movements, and fighting skills of theirs is something you acquire during multiple gameplay hours. They absolutely should never play against newcomers in their first ever games. It will just scare players and make them leave quickly and never come back. Even now, it takes ages to get in a match. I am just sad that the game with such great mechanics is not friendly for new players.
And I know what I am talking about and have something to compare to. I have over 3000 hours in Apex Legends. The lobby for level 1 and level 500 is absolutely different there. That game gives you a chance to learn at least.

Please, don't bother yourself with answering.

the asia server has almost no playerbase, meaning that all players that que up at the same time are placed into the same match.

if you want a better match-making experience go to US West, Russia or Europe.

Europe has the largest playerbase and has 6 skill brackets, whilst Asia only has one.

Meaning in Europe the players are divided up into 6 skill groups and then matched together, whilst in Asia everyone is placed into the same lobby, no matter his skill/experience.

[staring at the dust]

playing with 100+ ping can be a pain.. but it's actually doable as this game is client side hit-reg, so every hit you land will actually count, it's just that the server-feedback (the hit indicator) will be showing up a second late or so.

you will have a peekers advantage with 100+ ping, and a defensive "moving into cover" disadvantage.

so playing fast and aggressive can be "abused".

just imagine 150+ ping ferrari peeks... no counter play..

[Expired Yesterday]

Messaggio originale di bed1ntruder:

Messaggio originale di Revanchist:

Hilarious is that you are obviously missing the point of my message.
I am talking about NEW players with no experience whatsoever. I observed high ranked players in my lobbies for a while. The knowledge of the map, enemies, movements, and fighting skills of theirs is something you acquire during multiple gameplay hours. They absolutely should never play against newcomers in their first ever games. It will just scare players and make them leave quickly and never come back. Even now, it takes ages to get in a match. I am just sad that the game with such great mechanics is not friendly for new players.
And I know what I am talking about and have something to compare to. I have over 3000 hours in Apex Legends. The lobby for level 1 and level 500 is absolutely different there. That game gives you a chance to learn at least.

Please, don't bother yourself with answering.

the asia server has almost no playerbase, meaning that all players that que up at the same time are placed into the same match.

if you want a better match-making experience go to US West, Russia or Europe.

Europe has the largest playerbase and has 6 skill brackets, whilst Asia only has one.

Meaning in Europe the players are divided up into 6 skill groups and then matched together, whilst in Asia everyone is placed into the same lobby, no matter his skill/experience.

Thanks! Appreciate your answers :)

[Ainess]

Messaggio originale di Revanchist:

Messaggio originale di Ainess:

That´s kinda hilarious tbh.

First of, if you are referring to bloodline rank, that´s basically irrelevant. 70-100 rank can be reached in just a few days of playing, and as such, does not represent any significant skill difference. Also, it does not buff your hunters all that much. It just gives you more options in what weapons and traits you can get, but you can win perfectly fine with starting weapons against any loadouts and traits. Also also, it extra doesn´t matter in quickplay, since in QP, rank does not factor in in any way whatsoever.

Secondly, quickplay has no matchmaking. Everyone plays against everyone.

But perhaps most importantly, this isn´t the kind of game you should expect to do well at within ONE hour of playing it. Sorry, that´s just a completely delusional expectation.

Hilarious is that you are obviously missing the point of my message.
I am talking about NEW players with no experience whatsoever. I observed high ranked players in my lobbies for a while. The knowledge of the map, enemies, movements, and fighting skills of theirs is something you acquire during multiple gameplay hours. They absolutely should never play against newcomers in their first ever games. It will just scare players and make them leave quickly and never come back. Even now, it takes ages to get in a match. I am just sad that the game with such great mechanics is not friendly for new players.
And I know what I am talking about and have something to compare to. I have over 3000 hours in Apex Legends. The lobby for level 1 and level 500 is absolutely different there. That game gives you a chance to learn at least.

Please, don't bother yourself with answering.

Yeah, I got that, but you need to get that there is NO matchmaking in QP at all. For anyone, ever. It says so very explicitly when you try to select the "skill-based" option for it.

I was also a newbie at one point and didn´t feel the need to whine about it. But for your comfort´s sake, you are now protected from playing with anyone above rank 13 or so in bounty hunt as long as you are also below that. And also don´t lose your hunters when they die. And SBMM is a thing. Might not work amazingly if you are playing on Asia, but that´s just something related to the region, not the game itself. Try another server then.

[Qwib-Qwib]

Messaggio originale di Revanchist:

Guys, I played Hunt long time ago when it was just released in early access, then I gave up because my servers were all empty.
I decided to give it another try after a couple of years given that many changes were introduced. I tried the quickplay mode and was matched with 70-100 level players, against whom I stood no chance at all with my level 2. Then I tried the Bounty Hunt. And guess what. I played alone in several games in succession against teams of two and very skilled solo players (70-100 again). And yes, i did uncheck "allow teams of three" option. Coupled with the eternity long loading..it's kind of frustrating.

Is is supposed to be so challenging that I want to uninstall the game after one hour or am I doing anything wrong?
I am deciding whether to give it another try and would be thankful if anyone would comment on that or give a piece of advice.

Thanks for you answers.

It took me approximately 250 hours before I stopped dying all the time. Now I just die half the time. Yes, it is supposed to be that hard, and no, you're not doing anything particularly wrong considering you're new. Well, you're probably doing plenty wrong, but nothing unexpected, if you see what I mean. It's not your fault, the game is like that.

Hunt has a pretty high skill ceiling, and it's unforgiving enough that you won't see much homogeneity in terms of skill. Veterans have a massive advantage over new players by virtue of just being plain good. They put the time in, and it pays off. You just have to literally bite the bullet and stick with the game until things start working out for you, and there's very little that will help you when it comes to advice. It's the sort of things you'll have to pick up on your own. Also, rank doesn't mean much. It doesn't take that long to reach even level 100, and getting there doesn't really take skill. You'll get there quicker if you're good, but I probably would have been able to Prestige 3 times in the amount of time it took me to get remotely decent.

The problem with advice is that it's pretty easy to misunderstand and apply poorly, which is going to get you killed all the same. Stealth is important, and players often advise to stay stealthy, but crouching all the time will make you very easy to one-shot, and besides, even at your slowest, you're not silent. I've had a guy try to surprise me when I was defending the bounty and he was circling around the building. At one point, he started crouching to get the drop on me from a window. Nothing else was going on at the time, so I could still hear him quite clearly. I instantly killed him when he appeared. New players often tend to overdo what they're advised to do.

My own advice would be to stick to low-level, inexpensive/free guns (especially the Winfield) and shoot everything you see with it. Don't pay too much attention to stealth, you're not at that point yet. It's useless to try and be stealthy if you can't aim anyway. Make as many headshots as you can on enemies. You're most likely going to get killed anyway, but the point here is to learn to aim. When you unlock suppressed weapons, you can use these instead, that should make your training more viable. Once you start getting somewhat confident, you can try out more tactical stuff of the "not getting killed" variety. But learning to aim should be your priority.

That being said, I want to emphasize that your experience with the game was indeed the normal one. Expect that sort of thing to happen for a while. It's up to you whether this is your kind of game or not. There's no shame in moving on if you don't think you'll like it.

[PK_Thunder]

Messaggio originale di bed1ntruder:

playing with 100+ ping can be a pain.. but it's actually doable as this game is client side hit-reg, so every hit you land will actually count, it's just that the server-feedback (the hit indicator) will be showing up a second late or so.

you will have a peekers advantage with 100+ ping, and a defensive "moving into cover" disadvantage.

so playing fast and aggressive can be "abused".

just imagine 150+ ping ferrari peeks... no counter play..

Why in the world would you tell a new player to server hop and abuse ping? Crap like this is why region lock is so desperately needed.