The Dolch Problem

[Kobewan]

as it turns out the dolch is genuinely hurting the player base, who knew. I know, I know, tHe gUN iZZ eXpEnsIve! thAt MMMakEs it bAAlanCed. No. It doesn't, money is not hard to get in hunt. Time played makes you money, you stay at max bloodline you will keep making tons of money. This means the price point is almost a non factor. If I have a sparks uppercut setup I can get the drop on a player with a dolch, body shot with sparks, swap to finish, and then die before I can pull my gun out. That is diabolically broken. Especially when this game (allegedly) wants to increase it's player base but the power of that weapon can literally make people quit playing. Summit1G for example, He's rage quit 2 days in a row (at the time of this post) on account of the dolch, and because of it ends up ♥♥♥♥ talking the game to 10 000 people. In this case I don't think all press is good press Crytek. I don't think I'm alone in saying, nerf or remove this weapon, it doesn't fit the pace of the game

[TAsme]

Plz Crytek make every weapon basically a Nagant revolver Variant - just with different price :D

[APN34Z]

To much dola an i like to kill an take that item but ok

[Trash_Jackson TTV]

Publicado originalmente por idiot tf2:

See it's discussions like this that got the Avto nerfed into nothing. Ppl can't realize that semi autos are useless at long range.

Avtomat... nerfed.

My brother made it onto the leaderboards of kill streak because of the Avtomat. My 32 kill streak and banish streak was due to the redone Avtomat. If you're not stomping servers with that gun, the issue is you, not the gun.

[Lilleskutt]

Publicado originalmente por Demoth Rozzums:

Publicado originalmente por idiot tf2:

See it's discussions like this that got the Avto nerfed into nothing. Ppl can't realize that semi autos are useless at long range.

Avtomat... nerfed.

My brother made it onto the leaderboards of kill streak because of the Avtomat. My 32 kill streak and banish streak was due to the redone Avtomat. If you're not stomping servers with that gun, the issue is you, not the gun.

Who is your brother? When did he get onto the leaderboards?

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, that just awesome, would love to know more about it.

[Trash_Jackson TTV]

Publicado originalmente por Lilleskutt:

Publicado originalmente por Demoth Rozzums:

Avtomat... nerfed.

My brother made it onto the leaderboards of kill streak because of the Avtomat. My 32 kill streak and banish streak was due to the redone Avtomat. If you're not stomping servers with that gun, the issue is you, not the gun.

Who is your brother? When did he get onto the leaderboards?

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, that just awesome, would love to know more about it.

His name is Gaz. Looking at the leaderboards, it looks like he was overtaken. He was sitting at around 98 with 61 kills, but now the person at the 100 spot has 62.

[Al Bundy Nudes $8]

Publicado originalmente por idiot tf2:

See it's discussions like this that got the Avto nerfed into nothing. Ppl can't realize that semi autos are useless at long range.

exactly, if someone pulls it out mid push it's a strong weapon but not stronger than a fanning conversion at that distance. At range it's just a joke.

[RevolverBigBosselote]

Publicado originalmente por ShadowSpirit:

I mean, a winfield with levering has a larger magazine and similar ballistics, even similar firerate. you could even miss 90% of shots with it, and you could still kill someone. most guns kill with two shots to the chest, so this is a weird point to make.

Winnie with levering is more analogous to hipfire dolch. The winnie cannot compete with a dolch ADS. Frankly, no gun can compete with a dolch ADS, that's in range, unless someone is literally standing at the end of a shotgun. That's the entire crux of this thread. As for right or wrong .. I dunno. Cost stopped being a factor in this game a LONG time ago and as I've said in this thread before the people who can regularly afford a dolch don't need the damn thing. It's the people who can't afford it to begin with that need it.

If I woke up tomorrow and Crytek removed every semi-automatic weapon from the game I wouldn't shed a single tear (and that includes the C&K).

I think that includes literally every gun but the Avtomat, do you mean high rate of fire guns?

[RevolverBigBosselote]

Publicado originalmente por idiot tf2:

See it's discussions like this that got the Avto nerfed into nothing. Ppl can't realize that semi autos are useless at long range.

Except the Dolch doesn't have the burst fire that makes the Avto bad at range and is also a small slot weapon so you can carry a Sparks or Mosin for long range, making the long range weakness irrelevant, and even with it being weaker than most rifles it still is far better than most other single slot weapons in terms of range.

[Lilleskutt]

Publicado originalmente por RevolverBigBosselote:

Publicado originalmente por ShadowSpirit:

Winnie with levering is more analogous to hipfire dolch. The winnie cannot compete with a dolch ADS. Frankly, no gun can compete with a dolch ADS, that's in range, unless someone is literally standing at the end of a shotgun. That's the entire crux of this thread. As for right or wrong .. I dunno. Cost stopped being a factor in this game a LONG time ago and as I've said in this thread before the people who can regularly afford a dolch don't need the damn thing. It's the people who can't afford it to begin with that need it.

If I woke up tomorrow and Crytek removed every semi-automatic weapon from the game I wouldn't shed a single tear (and that includes the C&K).

I think that includes literally every gun but the Avtomat, do you mean high rate of fire guns?

I don't mind the semi automatics but I just wanna point out that the bolt actions, single shots and single action revolvers aren't semi automatic. Even a double action revolver (officer nagant) isn't semi automatic but in this game it basically is.

[≽^•⩊•^≼Kei⚲❤⚝]

you sound upset

[MrGarret]

In real its a very expensive weapon.
I think the $ 5,000 price tag would be adequate price for it. And also, exotic bullets
should be paid too (100$ for each).

[Lord Mordack]

Yesterday evening pretty much broke the camels back for me.
It seems like in every single match I play there's someone with a Dolch or a Crown & King, or better yet, both.

I have said it many times that I think all semi-automatics should be removed from the game so we could have that one slow paced shooter. Not every single game in the market needs to be the same! I really dislike the direction this game has gone with the spammy-guns.

Taking a good break now from Hunt and gonna play Cyberpunk instead. I've really enjoyed playing it even with all the bugs it has.

[vukotlak]

Publicado originalmente por Lord Mordack:

I have said it many times that I think all semi-automatics should be removed from the game so we could have that one slow paced shooter. Not every single game in the market needs to be the same! I really dislike the direction this game has gone with the spammy-guns.

The reason hunt isn't as slow paced as some people wanna have it aren't semi atomatic weapons.

1. Its the fact that you can Spam ADAD.

2. That weapons barely wiggle.

3. you can perform a long range shot in a second while in reality you need several seconds to prepare such a shot.

4.Weapon switch is too fast.

5. Bullets have barely any impact on people except taking away some health. No limb shoots to make a target limp or to make aiming a lot harder.

6. Headshots are way to easy.

And most important of all. People basicly don't care enough for their Hunters.

Semi weapons are realy not the problem.

[Lord Mordack]

Publicado originalmente por vukotlak:

Publicado originalmente por Lord Mordack:

I have said it many times that I think all semi-automatics should be removed from the game so we could have that one slow paced shooter. Not every single game in the market needs to be the same! I really dislike the direction this game has gone with the spammy-guns.

The reason hunt isn't as slow paced as some people wanna have it aren't semi atomatic weapons.

1. Its the fact that you can Spam ADAD.

2. That weapons barely wiggle.

3. you can perform a long range shot in a second while in reality you need several seconds to prepare such a shot.

4.Weapon switch is too fast.

5. Bullets have barely any impact on people except taking away some health. No limb shoots to make a target limp or to make aiming a lot harder.

6. Headshots are way to easy.

And most important of all. People basicly don't care enough for their Hunters.

Semi weapons are realy not the problem.

I do mostly agree with you.
But I think the semi-automatics increase the problem significantly.

But yes, you are correct in most, if not all, of the points.
Most of the points you make are more to do with gameplay mechanics though. How much towards realism would we like instead of just enjoying a smooth gameplay?
That is a whole different conversation.

[R1K ★☆]

gg