patch 1.4.3 changes

[₦ | cpt.morgan]

so thats the new patch. 2 new weapons variants (winfield vandal and winfield deadeye) and the choke bomb are now a tool instead of a consumable!.

more stupid weapon variants and fire bombs are now completely useless. splendid, crytek., omg... your destroy your own game.

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Publicado originalmente por Honeymonstis:

Publicado originalmente por cpt. morgan:

rarely read such stupid comments and arguements as from you.

how many cheaper than? 20 bucks idiot, do you think it makes a difference xD, play vetterly deadeye its the orginal, no one needs a second winfield clone

hahahaha problem of burners get a clear head, no one searches for hours for an camper who is sitting in a bush and not move and get headshotted than luckily. you are one of the first who is whining then here

except the vetterli is a worse rifle compared to the winfield. A vetterli marksman would be good but the deadeye is more useful for higher Rof winfields as the range that it is useful is close to med range.
Also the new winfields are medium slot weapons and the vetterli is a 3 slot uppercut (with worse sights). Crytek have repeatably said they want people to play different load outs and we all know that right now its: sparks/mosin/lebel with uppercut, shotgun with uppercut or winfield. Those 3 load outs dominate. So instead of nerfing they try and make more varriants to get people to try out different stuff.
I am not sure the new varriants are going to be useful as I havent tried them out. But more weapon choice is surely never bad?

The Winfield VS Vetterli as a really old debate in Hunt...
Both have their ranges, but i prefer the Vetterli, mostly for the headshotrange and the added ~50% two tap range over the Winfield.
The 8 Rpm more firerate compared to what i gain in range from medium ammo doesn't cut it for me (especially if i can just quickswapp to a pax or conversion and get 50 Rpm on my first 2 shots)

Point being the Vetterli is not objectively worse, it's mostly preference for those two guns, so i either pick winfield ironsights or deadeye Vetterli.

Happy Hunting

[Honeymonstis]

Publicado originalmente por Berserkir # Ragnarök:

Publicado originalmente por Honeymonstis:

except the vetterli is a worse rifle compared to the winfield. A vetterli marksman would be good but the deadeye is more useful for higher Rof winfields as the range that it is useful is close to med range.
Also the new winfields are medium slot weapons and the vetterli is a 3 slot uppercut (with worse sights). Crytek have repeatably said they want people to play different load outs and we all know that right now its: sparks/mosin/lebel with uppercut, shotgun with uppercut or winfield. Those 3 load outs dominate. So instead of nerfing they try and make more varriants to get people to try out different stuff.
I am not sure the new varriants are going to be useful as I havent tried them out. But more weapon choice is surely never bad?

The Winfield VS Vetterli as a really old debate in Hunt...
Both have their ranges, but i prefer the Vetterli, mostly for the headshotrange and the added ~50% two tap range over the Winfield.
The 8 Rpm more firerate compared to what i gain in range from medium ammo doesn't cut it for me (especially if i can just quickswapp to a pax or conversion and get 50 Rpm on my first 2 shots)

Point being the Vetterli is not objectively worse, it's mostly preference for those two guns, so i either pick winfield ironsights or deadeye Vetterli.

Happy Hunting :huntcrosses::hunter0:

yes I guess you are right and I am just blinded by my absolute hate for the Vetterli's bulky iron sights.

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Publicado originalmente por Honeymonstis:

Publicado originalmente por Berserkir # Ragnarök:

The Winfield VS Vetterli as a really old debate in Hunt...
Both have their ranges, but i prefer the Vetterli, mostly for the headshotrange and the added ~50% two tap range over the Winfield.
The 8 Rpm more firerate compared to what i gain in range from medium ammo doesn't cut it for me (especially if i can just quickswapp to a pax or conversion and get 50 Rpm on my first 2 shots)

Point being the Vetterli is not objectively worse, it's mostly preference for those two guns, so i either pick winfield ironsights or deadeye Vetterli.

Happy Hunting

yes I guess you are right and I am just blinded by my absolute hate for the Vetterli's bulky iron sights.

That is a fair point then, no profit in bringing a stronger gun if you can't hit anything with it...

It's the same for me with some guns...
This is also why i don't really take irons on the Vetterli, btw.

[Zonza]

this Morgan person seems like a ♥♥♥♥ that doesn't know how to aim. That's why no love for the winny. But I do need to say that the silent winny is only good at point blank. So kinda bad

[DukeoftheAges]

Lol this changes nothing but judging by the way you are typing, you need to drink some water and maybe go outside, calm down.

[♥n4♥]

crytek einfach lost

[Nequis]

Publicado originalmente por Berserkir # Ragnarök:

Publicado originalmente por Nequis:

I agree with OP about too many useless/redundant variants littering the game,it would be way less annoying and easier to manage having a simple weapon customization window where you can add scopes/bayonets as you see fit instead of having a separate weapon for every scope magnification,imagine if other games did this,there'd be literal pages of the same weapon.

True, but then you wouldn't reduce the variety, but only reduce UI clutter, which is obviously a great thing.
Depending on implementation you would actually increase the variety of weapons.

I too would love proper weapon customisation, although it would propably completely f*ck balancing for quite a while if you could just mix and mach most acessories...

Well if i could make with the game as i see fit in my opinion,i would do away with all the scopes and only allow bayonets,making sniping an actual challenge and mostly reducing the engagement ranges to not be a pixel hunt with bushwookies waiting out for passerbys.

[Shadow Spirit]

I'm not sure how I feel about the change to choke bombs. It means people will bring more dynamite/frag bombs now. The tool slot is already pretty crowded (melee/throwing knives/medkit pretty much always taking up the first 3 slots). Now people are going to have to choose between traps or group support... I personally don't use explosives nearly enough so this probably impacts me in a negative way. I'd rather have the tool slot for trip mines.

That said .. the sawed off winnie ... could make dual wielding compact obsolete. At face value, I haven't loaded test server, a medium size winnie with levering seems analogous to dual wield compact spam. The winnie will have the added benefit of precision with ADS via ironsight or scope.

Winnie sawed off + shotgun sawed off seems like the ultimate compound value setup.

As for people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about burning and camping .. get over it ... let people play how they want. YOU DONT HAVE TO KILL THE 2nd or 3rd person .. move on .. do something else. Who cares if a buddy hides in a bush. People are so concerned how others play .. do your thing and move on.

[Civilian Squirrel Operator™]

There is no change to the game that won't make someone cry.

I only ever received choke bombs from supply wagons. They are handy af in the right situations though. More to block dynamite than prevent partners from burning.

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Publicado originalmente por ShadowSpirit:

That said .. the sawed off winnie ... could make dual wielding compact obsolete. At face value, I haven't loaded test server, a medium size winnie with levering seems analogous to dual wield compact spam. The winnie will have the added benefit of precision with ADS via ironsight or scope.

Winnie sawed off + shotgun sawed off seems like the ultimate compound value setup.

I've played the Winnie Vandal a bit already, and it drastically underperforms for me. With levering the bloom is way bigger than with dualwielding, so i'd always choose dualies over that and in ADS the sway is so high for me that i hit to many arm shots, what drastically decreases performance for me.

So while the changes are cool IMO, and the Winfield Vandal is a welcome addition to the arsenal, I cant see myself picking it over a Pax because the Pax performs overall way better, due to similar damage (pax is a little stronger on bodyshots with 9 meters less headshot range) almost the same Mag size, fanning is available in stead of levering, no need for iron repeater, and most importantly it's a small slot, so no quartermaster needed.

It might work out in some really budget loadouts, but we'll have to wait and see.

Happy Hunting

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I've played the Winnie Vandal a bit already, and it drastically underperforms for me. With levering the bloom is way bigger than with dualwielding, so i'd always choose dualies over that and in ADS the sway is so high for me that i hit to many arm shots, what drastically decreases performance for me.

So while the changes are cool IMO, and the Winfield Vandal is a welcome addition to the arsenal, I cant see myself picking it over a Pax because the Pax performs overall way better, due to similar damage (pax is a little stronger on bodyshots with 9 meters less headshot range) almost the same Mag size, fanning is available in stead of levering, no need for iron repeater, and most importantly it's a small slot, so no quartermaster needed.

It might work out in some really budget loadouts, but we'll have to wait and see.

Happy Hunting

I had a feeling the new Winfield variant's sway would be bad. Still, I could see people just levering two Winfields in quick succession.

Ofcourse, it will be played for the next month or so, what remains after that is what really gives insight into how strong it is.

People wanna try it out and many are quick in calling OP.

Happy Hunting

[₦ | cpt.morgan]

Publicado originalmente por ShadowSpirit:

I'm not sure how I feel about the change to choke bombs. It means people will bring more dynamite/frag bombs now. The tool slot is already pretty crowded (melee/throwing knives/medkit pretty much always taking up the first 3 slots). Now people are going to have to choose between traps or group support... I personally don't use explosives nearly enough so this probably impacts me in a negative way. I'd rather have the tool slot for trip mines.

this is a good point shadow spirit, normally people go in with 2 vitality shots, 1 grenade, 1 support grenade.

but now meta changes, its not worth anymore to take a fire bomb / poison bomb with it in the match. so people will bring instead now 2 vitaly shots and 2 grenades

when every second gamer goes in with a choke bomb, you can easily unlit them... fire bombs and poison bombs are practically useless

i see this will be a great change WOW... a smaller selection of items, because devs think they doing the right think... additionaly to the frag bomb / dynamite spam fest

[RNG RNG Bananaphone]

Publicado originalmente por Berserkir # Ragnarök:

although i played poison consumables for a while and they are waaay worse, especially since the buff to the antidote.

Good point. I always take antidote with me nowadays, maybe I've just naively assumed my enemies don't, lol. Might add another frag in the bag as long as they're as op as they are. Tho, it's not the min-max I think almost ever, I take stuff for fun too.

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Publicado originalmente por countdumonee:

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although i played poison consumables for a while and they are waaay worse, especially since the buff to the antidote.

Good point. I always take antidote with me nowadays, maybe I've just naively assumed my enemies don't, lol. Might add another frag in the bag as long as they're as op as they are. Tho, it's not the min-max I think almost ever, I take stuff for fun too.

To be fair after 1.4.2 with the frag nerf i find them to be fine, still strong but not as OP as before

[𝔻𝔼𝔸𝔻]

with each update this game gets worse and worse, devs are A+ in stupidity