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Shadow Spirit has Hunt: Showdown 1896

(Banned) Aug 10, 2020 @ 5:36pm

Uppercut needs to be changed to medium or special ammo

Just my opinion. The uppercut is the single gun in this game that breaks balance even more than dolch or avtomat.

The ability to hot swap long, spam long simply takes away any reason to use virtually any other gun.

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Originally posted by Manperor of Mankind:

Originally posted by ShadowSpirit:
If you're going to post videos at least do it right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wiLEAoDf9U

Man if that doesn't look balanced to everyone involved here, I don't know what does.
Definitely fair, especially the faster firing Uppercut. 10/10 game design, nothing to be seen here, HEY LOOK, LEVERING SPAM! SPAM BAD!

/for real now:

...and what exactly is this then? Is this not just the exact same spammy playstyle the long ammo bois keep crying about? Except it's pretty much pinpoint accurate, negates all long ammo drawbacks (recoil, movement penalty, rate of fire, ammo pool - thanks Uppercut, now the long ammo bois can spam too because ammo isn't worth sh*t anymore! Who needs to aim now, we can just spray!) while also keeping the advantages of long ammo:
Damage
Penetration
Bullet velocity

What we see here is *the* perfect example of why this game in its current state is broken: Long ammo, with this glitchy system, gets all the advantages while you can also negate ALL of the drawbacks by buying the Uppercut and using QS.
You can fire two high damage, high penetration shots at close distance (and double tap hunters at up to 70+m) and fire those faster than most compact weapons can shoot (the stupid Officer family and semi-auto notwithstanding) while not having to rely on RNG as with levering/fanning.

All you need to do is press Q at the right moment and shoot. You learn this so called skill mechanic for a few dozen hours until you've perfected it and then you will never have to worry about anything ever again. Headshots? What for? My QS combo will 2 tap on most ranges anyway. Coordinating to fire at one hunter at the same time? What for? I can just 2 tap within a second. Maneuvering around compounds? Eh, who cares, I can 2 tap in a second.

This unholy trinity of long ammo + Uppercut + QS has slowly, but surely eroded what little balance was left. That's why 1.3 didn't do nearly as much as it should have: Because you can have ALL the advantages without major drawbacks just by learning QS with an Uppercut. That's a win-win there. And a massive lose for game balance and any other ammo type in Hunt.

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台灣獲勝

Aug 10, 2020 @ 5:52pm

BS.. but nice b8 m8 :^)

GnarlyTuna has Hunt: Showdown 1896

Aug 10, 2020 @ 6:05pm

Agreed, uppercut has been sleeper op for far too long.

Shadow Spirit has Hunt: Showdown 1896

(Banned) Aug 10, 2020 @ 7:09pm

Originally posted by x.x:
BS.. but nice b8 m8 :^)

Actually very serious. Long ammo pistol lets people bring way too much long ammo to matches and spam long. Hotswap just makes it magnitudes worse.

CaramelChaos has Hunt: Showdown 1896

Aug 10, 2020 @ 7:21pm

Originally posted by SideSkirts:
Agreed, uppercut has been sleeper op for far too long.

What? The Uppercut has been one of the best guns in the game forever. Everyone has always used it.

Manperor of Mankind has Hunt: Showdown 1896

Aug 10, 2020 @ 7:24pm

Yeah but people simply call it "strong, not op" and that's that discussion done.
I needs some sort of nerf, maybe less damage - or slower quickswap speeds.

staring at the dust has Hunt: Showdown 1896

Aug 10, 2020 @ 7:27pm

Hotswap? You mean quickswitching? A mechanic present in EVERY single FPS game? Have you watched videos of professional shooters using single-action revolvers? They can draw and shoot even faster than in this game.

There are ton's of reasons not a bring an uppercut, for example rate of fire or better quickswap speed on most compact guns (except for the LeMat). Better use of fanning? More ammo with compact and medium? Most weapons can now two shot below 30m anyway (except for the Bornheim's).

Did you know that most REALLY good players use the Winfield and a compact sidearm for the extra ammo nowadays? It's the best gun to use in firefights under 50m.

The real reason many people use the Uppercut is because it has the best damage over distance of any sidearm and the best penetration. Plus it's so much fun to use and feels great. Penetration and damage over distance, those are the reasons most people use the uppercut. Sure stacking long ammo is never a bad thing in the minds of those players, too.

No veteran player would agree with your opinon and balance recommendation.

Sure the game needs more medium ammo weapons, but don't touch the uppercut! It's perfect.

Manperor of Mankind has Hunt: Showdown 1896

Aug 10, 2020 @ 7:44pm

Well I guess I haven't reach those Zen level ELO ranks yet that you make sound so alluring. Because honestly, on the EU server all I see is long ammo, the only Winfield on the server is myself. US East offers tons more variation in regards to weapon usage per match.

https://imgur.com/a/xsxrVdm

I'll just leave this here.
Quickswap speed on the UPC is pretty much the same as on all other pistols, the difference is negligible. QS itself is a massive issue right now that needs to be addressed.

Of course these so called veterans wouldn't agree because they're all profiteering from using this stupidly good handgun that has no real drawbacks. 4/6 less RPM than a Conversion Pistol/Pax is barely slower.

Comparing Hunt to "literally any other shooter" is both an insult and misses the point entirely. This game players very different compared to most shooters, which in and on itself was a selling point to me and many others. Making it "more like other shooters" is only detrimental to the game's core.

ice

Aug 10, 2020 @ 8:44pm

change ur opinion to something not worthless

f0g.SSS

Aug 10, 2020 @ 9:19pm

It's like deag in cs, let it be

Uncle Bengz has Hunt: Showdown 1896

Aug 10, 2020 @ 9:20pm

My only wish about the uppercut is that they lower the price...

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Oobaneko

Aug 10, 2020 @ 9:23pm

Finally someone pointed at most meta gun.

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Rarthus

Aug 10, 2020 @ 9:37pm

the appeal of the uppercut is that its competent at close to mid range, it increases your long ammo supply, and doesn't break the bank. you run into a boss compound with a uppercut and its decent, but if you run into a compound with a dolche you feel OP. i have got a clip of me killing 4 ppl with a dolche in about 30 seconds.

the uppercut is competent in most situations but its not king and it has a reasonable price i honestly think its fine

Last edited by Rarthus; Aug 10, 2020 @ 9:38pm

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Shadow Spirit has Hunt: Showdown 1896

(Banned) Aug 10, 2020 @ 9:41pm

Originally posted by Rarthus:
the uppercut is competent in most situations but its not king and it has a reasonable price i honestly think its fine

Paired with a long ammo rifle it just provides too much ammo. The ammo type should be changed and/or the reload slowed down and/or the quick swap significantly slowed down and/or recoil recovery greatly increased and/or gun sway reintroduced. Another consideration would be to put long ammo pistol on a damage drop scale similar to medium pistol and bump up medium rifle to be better than long ammo pistol. Why a pistol is better than a medium rifle for damage drop off is beyond me.

The gun is game breaking. Long ammo meta has been meta for a long time and for a reason - it's simply better than anything else by leaps and bounds. The balancing factor (rate of fire) is trumped by quick swap.

Last edited by Shadow Spirit; Aug 10, 2020 @ 9:45pm

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