Cheater ? Video proof

[span4ev]

https://youtu.be/KvVm4HEMTqo

(I edited the video, hid the cheater's nickname.
It was this player who, after he killed me, was evacuated, so I also hid his nickname at the top)

I deliberately did not cut off the beginning so that you could see how the situation developed before the murder.
As you can see on the record, the dude who killed me immediately evacuated after a second. Then on the evacuation you can see the label in the air. Thanks to the developers of the hunt for this wonderful bug. They are great fellows, respect.
Judging by the kill view, this is just his label.

You can also pay attention to the hitmark, it came a little to the left, and my partners heard a shot from the other side, but this is only for reference.
As you can see, I died a few meters further, although this is a hitmark on the left - maybe due to ping. At that moment, my ping was about 100. I will say that usually ping 100 does not give such strong differences as here.

Very often I see that in such topics there are people who claim that they were killed by a cheater, but they have no proofs. There is another category of people, they claim that for a half thousand hours they had only 2 suspicious situations. I can’t think of anything good about such people. How can only a few suspicious situations be found in 1,500 hours? It seems that these are cheaters who are trying to convince other people that there are no cheaters in the game. They are trying to make a mark, confuse people, so that they think that there are no cheats, but there are professionals, lucky shots, a bad game, etc.
They kill me so often, I just recently started recording it. And these are just the most suspicious killings. In almost every match, they kill a head with an uppercut through the wall, through the bushes, 100 meters in a night match or fog - I’m already used to it.
I do not claim 100% that it was a cheater. In this game, you can’t say anything for 100%, there are always lucky shots - I killed so myself. I just provided the video, and you decide for yourself. Maybe it was a lucky shot a second before the evacuation

[Ainess]

That´s a crazy kill right there, but it seems doable. There are several meters of gap in the wall through which he could have seen you and lead his shot. The likes of Archie pull off shots like these on a daily basis in fact.

You are right about the different positions, but the issue is, you always get an incorrect marker like this. It rather shows where your body ragdolled into than where you actually got shot, which can lead to much confusion. I got headshot many times when I saw the person directly and clearly, and the killview showed me that I got wallbanged 1 meter to the right or left through a solid wall. And inversely, sometimes I got wallbanged and it showed me I got killed next to the obstacle. There is nothing sketchy going on with this, it is just the, let´s say, sub-optimal design of the killview mechanic :P

[𝔻𝔼𝔸𝔻]

Originally posted by Ainess:

That´s a crazy kill right there, but it seems doable. There are several meters of gap in the wall through which he could have seen you and lead his shot. The likes of Archie pull off shots like these on a daily basis in fact.

You are right about the different positions, but the issue is, you always get an incorrect marker like this. It rather shows where your body ragdolled into than where you actually got shot, which can lead to much confusion. I got headshot many times when I saw the person directly and clearly, and the killview showed me that I got wallbanged 1 meter to the right or left through a solid wall. And inversely, sometimes I got wallbanged and it showed me I got killed next to the obstacle. There is nothing sketchy going on with this, it is just the, let´s say, sub-optimal design of the killview mechanic :P

Every kill done by a cheater is doable... This isnt legit he is cheating dude no doubts

[Ainess]

Originally posted by gravēmind:

Every kill done by a cheater is doable... This isnt legit he is cheating dude no doubts

Nope, I have had one that is absolutely not doable and one that is practically not doable. This one, in comparison, is absolutely normal.

And yeah, not saying this was not a cheater, but there is a good chance it was just a highly skilled player (or even a decent player who was ballsy with this shot and got lucky). But hey, when in (serious) doubt, just report them and let the devs sort them out to be sure.

[span4ev]

Originally posted by gravēmind:

Every kill done by a cheater is doable...

Well said! You are absolutely right

If we talk like that guy, then any headshot can be described as doable, even through 2 wooden walls and 5 bushes, in fog, in a jump and from a 200-meter turn from a spark =)

Well, if the shot is doable, then the game has no cheaters)

[Helsing]

First they say , no proof.
Then with proof , they say just a good shot :D ....

[T_T_Tobin]

LMAO everyone knows aim program works, even through brick walls as i have been killed 3 times that way!!! No longer report cheats as nothing is done the people come right back with another account and different name and ip address.

[Ainess]

Originally posted by span4ev:

Originally posted by gravēmind:

Every kill done by a cheater is doable...

Well said! You are absolutely right

If we talk like that guy, then any headshot can be described as doable, even through 2 wooden walls and 5 bushes, in fog, in a jump and from a 200-meter turn from a spark =)

Well, if the shot is doable, then the game has no cheaters)

Yeah, nice job completely misunderstanding/misinterpreting/twisting what I wrote lol.

The guy, if he was scoping there, was able to see where you were, in which direction and what speed you were moving. After that, it is only a matter of knowing the bullet velocity and distance and the headshot is perfectly plausible without any cheats.

I have been headshot about 35 seconds into a match, with the first shot at 79 meters in fog, through 3-5 trees, 1 fence, and a 1 meter thick plank pile, after having made no noise and not being in any way visible or perceivable from that direction at that distance. THAT is an obvious and undeniable wallhack/aimbot abuse case. Not this lmao.

[span4ev]

Originally posted by Helsing:

First they say , no proof.
Then with proof , they say just a good shot :D ....

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[ЭКСГИБИЦИОНИСТ]

Да куча пидорасов с читами в Ханте , и ♥♥♥♥♥ их не банят . Стримеры в наглую с аимом бегают....

[Ainess]

Originally posted by Helsing:

First they say , no proof.
Then with proof , they say just a good shot :D ....

Yeah, except the definition of "proof" is "undeniable evidence". This evidence is super flimsy and absolutely inconclusive. There is no "proof" to be seen here. Yeah, it COULD have been aimbot, but it just as well could have been a very good player. I dare you try and prove me wrong.

[Thief183]

I don't know what to say, it is doable, and as far as I know the aimbots can't compensate for the travel time of the bullet, you were moving so I dunno if it was just a great shot (he might have ssen you with a cheat btw)

[Ainess]

Originally posted by #thief183:

I don't know what to say, it is doable, and as far as I know the aimbots can't compensate for the travel time of the bullet, you were moving so I dunno if it was just a great shot (he might have ssen you with a cheat btw)

Aimbots do compensate for bullet speed afaik, or at least the better ones should? In any case, yeah, he also could have seen him using a wallhack, but from what I have seen, there wasn´t even any need, he was running past a long gap in the wall, and at the start he could be seen betweeen the crates behind which he got shot, and the edge of the wall I believe.

[span4ev]

Originally posted by Ainess:

Originally posted by span4ev:

Well said! You are absolutely right

If we talk like that guy, then any headshot can be described as doable, even through 2 wooden walls and 5 bushes, in fog, in a jump and from a 200-meter turn from a spark =)

Well, if the shot is doable, then the game has no cheaters)

Yeah, nice job completely misunderstanding/misinterpreting/twisting what I wrote lol.

The guy, if he was scoping there, was able to see where you were, in which direction and what speed you were moving. After that, it is only a matter of knowing the bullet velocity and distance and the headshot is perfectly plausible without any cheats.

I have been headshot about 35 seconds into a match, with the first shot at 79 meters in fog, through 3-5 trees, 1 fence, and a 1 meter thick plank pile, after having made no noise and not being in any way visible or perceivable from that direction at that distance. THAT is an obvious and undeniable wallhack/aimbot abuse case. Not this lmao.

I didn’t mean to offend you. I translate everything through Google translator and the narrative context may be distorted. But your logic is that any shot can be fired under certain conditions. Thus, we can’t even separate who is a cheater, who is just a good player, and who is lucky.
I don’t understand, are you justifying this moment or any similar murders? The man told you everything correctly - you can justify anything by calling it a successful shot or a good combination of circumstances.

1. Distance 136 meters, I pickled for a second. At such a distance between the trees, even in sight, I would appear there for a second. It was necessary to wait for me and still have such a reaction so that, taking into account the speed of my movement and the correct lead, it got into my head.
2. He was waiting for me. Ok, why did he wait for me and how did he know that I would come out there? As far as I know, dark vision works at 100 meters. There is a distance of 136 meters. He didn’t have to see me at all, to sit and wait for me to go out there.
3. If you listen, you hear that he shot in my direction before the murder, there you hear the sounds of a rebound. It looks like he shot me, only the walls were not shot. What is the point of shooting me through stone walls if he is such a good player who can give headshots through 136-meter trees in a small area of ​​visibility? A normal player would not do this. How did he even see me there? Yes, I made a splash on the location, but this does not determine where I will come from.
Such a good player probably didn’t go for evacuation, but would go and would kill three noobs.
4. Why is this cool dude closed profile?
Too many questions for this kill.

as for your story, most likely it was just a good shot. Someone shot at luck and killed you through the trees in the fog. This happens =) This is not a cheater, but just a good player and lucky :D

[Inv1s1ble]

Too many assumptions from you. You seem to be quite salty.
I'm one of the guys with 1500 hours and maybe 5 suspicious situations.
NEVER got killed in a suspicious way like you did in the video.

What we can see in your video is 100% cheating and thanks for providing proof. At last a thread with proof :-) Hope you reported him ingame and via Kayako.

They'll ask to put your video on "not listed" in youtube and remove it from the thread as it is considered naming and shaking which is against the steam rules, because the name of the cheater is visible. I don't mind shaming prooven cheaters, but that's the steam rules. you might want to edit the video so that the name cannot be seen, then it is allowed to stay.

In any way: thanks for your contribution. A video without the need for any discussion. because the case is clear :-)

[span4ev]

Originally posted by Ainess:

Originally posted by Helsing:

First they say , no proof.
Then with proof , they say just a good shot :D ....

Yeah, except the definition of "proof" is "undeniable evidence". This evidence is super flimsy and absolutely inconclusive. There is no "proof" to be seen here. Yeah, it COULD have been aimbot, but it just as well could have been a very good player. I dare you try and prove me wrong.

If this is not evidence, then what should it be? I think if you show me how they kill me through 5 walls at night for 200 meters through 20 bushes, then you will find an excuse, say that someone will shoot at random and accidentally hit.
This will not happen if the cheater is not a complete fool to do this.
I have already said that when people justify some suspicious killings and refute the presence of cheaters in the game, I personally have the feeling that these people themselves are dishonest and try to bring down all sorts of thoughts about cheaters. But this is my personal opinion.

Yeah, any cheater may not be a cheater, but just a good player. So there are no cheaters in the game, there are only one good players