What's the point of the Martini-Henry?

[Wo0d Glue]

What's the point of the Martini-Henry?

It's unlocked 10 ranks earlier than the Sparks...whoah...
It's 8 dollars cheaper than the Sparks...wHOAhh...
It has 2 more bullets...W H O A H
It has 400 Muzzle Velocity...the Sparks has 533(chad springfield has 490)
It has 1 sEcOn D fAs T e R rEl O Ad than the Sparks. Even tho reload is pointless on the single-shots(and most rifles) since you'll just fire then get to cover to reload or switch to your sidearm for a double-tap.
The Sights are also larger and clumsier than the Sparks, but I get that sights are largely a personal thing so I'll let this slide. Martini also lacks the Hammer of the Sparks, which bothers some, but not me personally.

The Martini is really just a crappier version of the Sparks. I ask again, what's the point of it? I see the Martini around much more than the Sparks.

[Wo0d Glue]

Messaggio originale di ;1741138639071101719:

what's the point of post?
you mean they shouldn't add weapons worse than sparks?
what you should use before you unlock sparks? winfield only?

Weird and confusing comment. There's like a 10 lvl gap between the Sparks and Martini. I think I breached that gap in 2 hours today. Until I unlocked the Sparks I used the Springfield. Except that I still do, because the Springfield is the best weapon in the game.

[Ammolator]

Sometimes its easier to lead more with martini than sparks due to bit slower velocity.

[AlexBloodDayQc]

the variant are better in my oppinion

[Porsha Crystal]

whats the point of alomost every gun in game? all i see king crown/specter/ uppercut and mosin/lebel/dolch. vetterli and winfield r almost gone from my matches, even enemies with sparks r hard to find.

[Valadka]

Messaggio originale di Big head:

whats the point of alomost every gun in game? all i see king crown/specter/ uppercut and mosin/lebel/dolch. vetterli and winfield r almost gone from my matches, even enemies with sparks r hard to find.

That's what you get when you destroy the games economy by making it impossible to lose money.

[꒰ঌ𝖊𝖒𝖑𝖞𝖓໒꒱]

I kinda went over this in a TL;DR sort of fashion but all I can say against this is that I personally like the Martini-Henry. There is hardly any dramatic sway, the sights are really precise, and the damage is pretty good. I clapped two people within 30 seconds in Quickplay with it. Got a hip shot, on them as they were running, then swapped to a Caldwell Pax to down them with a second hit. Last guy came running full-force at me and got a head-shot on him with ease.

If you don't like a weapon, just don't use it. If it serves no purpose to you then I don't see any point complaining about it if you have a vast variety of other selections to choose from

[CptKerion]

I like the sights on it better. I'll take a martini-henry over a sparks most of the time.

[CptKerion]

Messaggio originale di EM0001:

I kinda went over this in a TL;DR sort of fashion but all I can say against this is that I personally like the Martini-Henry. There is hardly any dramatic sway, the sights are really precise, and the damage is pretty good. I clapped two people within 30 seconds in Quickplay with it. Got a hip shot, on them as they were running, then swapped to a Caldwell Pax to down them with a second hit. Last guy came running full-force at me and got a head-shot on him with ease.

If you don't like a weapon, just don't use it. If it serves no purpose to you then I don't see any point complaining about it if you have a vast variety of other selections to choose from :NekoPawRight:

I can attest that this user is excellent with the Martini-Henry.
They started reloading, I thought I'd have time to close in a bayonet charge, and I got shot with about half a second to spare. Had they been using the sparks, my bayonet and their skull would've bee closely acquainted.
I may well be the last guy who came running full force at them.
(I like to remember the people who kill me, it helps when I tell the stories later. It also lets me go "oh ♥♥♥♥, this person has the bounty, run like hell, run like hell")

[Brother Ted]

Messaggio originale di Wo0d Glue:

Messaggio originale di Valadka:

Deadeye isn't incredibly situational like the sparks sniper.
Significantly faster reload.
Sabre variant is the best melee-gun in the game now.

I don't like the progression of single-shot weapons. The springfield is eclipsed by the Martini after a few levels which in turn is eclipsed by the sparks after a few levels. I would spread them out more, move martini to lvl 20, sparks to level 40.

I addressed the reload in my main post, tl;dr it doesn't matter. If you want to do double-taps with a single shot rifle you'll use the Springfield which is great. The Springfield is certainly never eclipsed and I think its compatible at high level.

On the deadeye I can agree, even if I rarely if ever use Scoped Weapons(I like the Springfield Marksman on occasion). It's also very true that the Martini Riposte is the best Melee-Gun. The regular attack is able to kill zombies in 1 strike without requiring much stamina. It's better than the Knife in all regards.

The Martini isn't a bad weapon by any chance. But there's no reason to pick it over the Sparks. There is a reason to pick the Springfield: ammo type, reload, sights, mostly the cost. But the Martini is only 8 dollars cheaper than the Sparks, and has ♥♥♥♥ velocity.

I probably wouldn't buff it however, since the variants are pretty strong as Valadka said.

Its designed to be a sparks that can handle mid range combat pretty well. Since dodging and weaving happens more often in mid range combat rather then long range, the reload speed is improvement (every second counts in a gun fight). I also believe its scope is overall better for midrange use the sparks scope, but since I havent tried the martini enough yet I can only rely on the words of others.

The basic gist from what I get from people who use it though, is that its a sparks that also works pretty decently in mid range combat

[Wo0d Glue]

Messaggio originale di CptKerion:

I like the sights on it better. I'll take a martini-henry over a sparks most of the time.

That's fair enough. As I said in my first post sights are largely a preference thing, I don't personally think there's a huge difference between the Martini and Sparks sights.

Messaggio originale di EM0001:

I kinda went over this in a TL;DR sort of fashion but all I can say against this is that I personally like the Martini-Henry. There is hardly any dramatic sway, the sights are really precise, and the damage is pretty good. I clapped two people within 30 seconds in Quickplay with it. Got a hip shot, on them as they were running, then swapped to a Caldwell Pax to down them with a second hit. Last guy came running full-force at me and got a head-shot on him with ease.

If you don't like a weapon, just don't use it. If it serves no purpose to you then I don't see any point complaining about it if you have a vast variety of other selections to choose from :NekoPawRight:

You completely missed the point of this topic, your "just dont use it" advice and telling me that I'm "complaining" is passive aggressive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I thought it was obvious that I don't use the Martini. It's also obvious that you're a weeb so I don't count on you being able to read between the lines or read anything really. But I am hoping I'll read your suicide note in the near future you absolute donkey. I've made it clear at multiple points in the thread that I understand why some people use the Martini and that's fine. I still believe it's an inferior version of the Sparks, as stated by my points in the first post.

To buff it, I think that it should either replace the Vetterli as a low-level powerful rifle(the Vetterli is super powerful and shouldn't be a level 4 gun or whenever it's unlocked), or it's cost should be decreased somewhat. Would making it a rank 4 gun nullify the Springfield? Not really, since the Springfield is the best gun in the game.

Messaggio originale di TedMuscular:

Messaggio originale di Wo0d Glue:

I addressed the reload in my main post, tl;dr it doesn't matter. If you want to do double-taps with a single shot rifle you'll use the Springfield which is great. The Springfield is certainly never eclipsed and I think its compatible at high level.

On the deadeye I can agree, even if I rarely if ever use Scoped Weapons(I like the Springfield Marksman on occasion). It's also very true that the Martini Riposte is the best Melee-Gun. The regular attack is able to kill zombies in 1 strike without requiring much stamina. It's better than the Knife in all regards.

The Martini isn't a bad weapon by any chance. But there's no reason to pick it over the Sparks. There is a reason to pick the Springfield: ammo type, reload, sights, mostly the cost. But the Martini is only 8 dollars cheaper than the Sparks, and has ♥♥♥♥ velocity.

I probably wouldn't buff it however, since the variants are pretty strong as Valadka said.

Its designed to be a sparks that can handle mid range combat pretty well. Since dodging and weaving happens more often in mid range combat rather then long range, the reload speed is improvement (every second counts in a gun fight). I also believe its scope is overall better for midrange use the sparks scope, but since I havent tried the martini enough yet I can only rely on the words of others.

The basic gist from what I get from people who use it though, is that its a sparks that also works pretty decently in mid range combat

I think you're right on the Scope also judging from what other people have said. Sparks Sniper is a long range weapon. I personally don't like scopes since they don't give me a good picture of the overall scene.

For the role of a mid-range fighter, the Martini can't beat the Vetterli outside of Wallbangs. Vetterli only does 13 less damage, costs less, is available sooner, has faster firing, and basically the same velocity. The sights are also similar to the Martini.

[Dishnor]

Weird, I left the Sparks (with scope) since they brought the Martini-Henry (with scope).

I find it easier to snipe with : with the sparks, if the target is not moving, you can ajust up to the nose-hair. However, when target is moving I find it faster to refocus the target.
Even more true, when you aim for head-shots.

Now, that you have my opinion about the matter, may I express I don't understand the point of this conversation ; I mean it's not like they removed the Sparks to implement the Martini-Henry.

I use it, you don't. You use sparks, I don't. Where is the issue ?

[Snobby Hobo]

Messaggio originale di Dishnor:

Weird, I left the Sparks (with scope) since they brought the Martini-Henry (with scope).

I find it easier to snipe with : with the sparks, if the target is not moving, you can ajust up to the nose-hair. However, when target is moving I find it faster to refocus the target.
Even more true, when you aim for head-shots.

Now, that you have my opinion about the matter, may I express I don't understand the point of this conversation ; I mean it's not like they removed the Sparks to implement the Martini-Henry.

I use it, you don't. You use sparks, I don't. Where is the issue ?

The point is weighting the pros and cons... Just because you use it doesn't mean it's a viable alternative to the Sparks. Personally for me the only reason to ever pick the MH is because the deadeye scope is mounted on the center of the gun - which is very nice for visual clarity.

[metalcallous]

Talking about the variant lines of these single shot long rifles: The Sparks line progresses to longer ranged with its sniper scope and its silencer.

The Martini Henry line has close to mid ranged combat with its deadeye scope and its long bayonet, which opens up options for your loadout choice (i.e. forgoing a knife/knuckles for more tools)

The Springfield line similarly has a close quarters bayonet but also offers a cut down version that opens up other secondary and tool combinations.

Its as if they devs decided to introduce other attachments and variants that can be done a single shot rifle, but decided to spread it out to cousin guns.

[꒰ঌ𝖊𝖒𝖑𝖞𝖓໒꒱]

Messaggio originale di Wo0d Glue:

You completely missed the point of this topic, your "just dont use it" advice and telling me that I'm "complaining" is passive aggressive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I thought it was obvious that I don't use the Martini. It's also obvious that you're a weeb so I don't count on you being able to read between the lines or read anything really. But I am hoping I'll read your suicide note in the near future you absolute donkey. I've made it clear at multiple points in the thread that I understand why some people use the Martini and that's fine. I still believe it's an inferior version of the Sparks, as stated by my points in the first post.

In your last statement in the initial topic, you quote, "The Martini is really just a crappier version of the Sparks. I ask again, what's the point of it? I see the Martini around much more than the Sparks.". My comment is a portrayal of someone who (me) enjoys the weapon and have indicated that both the precision of the weapon and efficiency is dependable. You claim that the sights are, as you say, "crappier" than the Sparks LRR but that's opinionated of course.

I do however hope that a developer rummages through and sees your post. I can take the heat, of course, and it doesn't bother me much, yet you shouldn't despair someone and mock them by hoping to read ones suicide note in the future over freedback that you don't comply with.

Good luck to you

[Ulfric Sombrage]

Martini is much more aggressive than the spark, especially with bayonet...