The Darkside of Hunt: Showdown

[Ceceli Δ]

A new special video from Appoh. One hour discussing all the curious things about this game that are swept under the rug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P3tYkjQSy4

[Zeth]

Wow that was long.

He makes some good points but.....

I’m not that great at the game actually I’m pretty bad but I feel the weapons are way more balanced than he’s leading onto. I don’t have a whole lot of experience with the Dolch or Automat but other than that I think the guns are pretty balanced. I mean yeah higher tier costs more money because they are slightly better.

I mean he sounds like he can’t make up his mind about the Nitro. You miss 2 shots with that gun and you have 4 bullets left....

And then he talks about shotguns being super overpowered like out in the open you stand a chance against rifles.

Would be nice if he said anything positive but I was blown away. He has nothing positive to say at all.

I honestly don’t know what to think. I guess I’m blinded by my love for the game even though I’m not that great at it.

DSB nerf made there be a bit less of incentive to fight boss...

I was seriously expecting him to say the whole entire game needs a rework. Lol

Would love other opinions on the video.

Thanks for posting! What’s your take on the video OP?

[Ceceli Δ]

I play Hunt everyday, but I agree with Appoh. The only difference is that he can't stand it anymore. I'm powering through haha

[Cheungy]

He trash

[Mordekhay]

Only thing I can say if you are getting better at the game it will become easier. Of course you will hit and kill more and more people and lose the tension if you are a good player. I honestly think if you are making a game you don't have to listen what people say bc you will end up changing many many things that even you the game maker won't know where you headed. And doing changes based on crybabies is not good. If they don't like the game, move on, that is it.

On his takes:

Sparks animation cancelling twas a bug, and abusing bugs are not fair.

Ammo nerf, hmm I never had issues with ammo and wiped a server many many times. 4 bounties all the time, 8-10 player kills lots of times. And with weapon looting it basically became obsolete to find ammo. And in 1.0 the ammo got increased again because now we have more hunters on the map and as well as trios.

Reload time for uppercut was not necessary but these qof updates will make a better gameplay. Just go ahead and try to reload a gun like that in real life. You will end up 1 minutes reloading.

Shotguns should be powerful at close range, that is what they made for (like wtf) everyone is like shotguns are some kind of netguns or what. Shotguns with long barrels are deadly on 50 meters (55 yards)we should be happy that they one shot in 10 meters max in the game 15 for romero, but what does he wants from shotguns for gods sake?. The real problem is 90% of the people camping with shotguns in a dark corner for 55 minutes if they feel like. Killing the tension with this method bc you ending up dead while going in a house.

He talks about dolch ammo increase and encouraging the people to camp...few minutes ago he said ammo nerf before was bad for the aggressive gameplay so what is wrong now? Now You have more ammo in the dolch go aggressive. And I like the idea of special ammo in the dolch.

I personally enjoy playing the nitro, my favourite weapon in the game. It is like a shotgun with a slug and I love shotguns with slugs. And the rework was just enough for not being overused and made a unique weapon. Aiming should be blurry with everything, that is how your eyes work when you focusing on one thing, but its okay.

There is no gear gap imho. You can one shot everyone with basically anything mate. And prestige has nothing to do with matching with higher skilled players, since it's all based on elo now. And of course you can loot the weapons if you have killed a guy with better weapons and boom.

Avtomat is a long grind now, I don't see that many since the book of weapons came out. I know you can get it in quick play but that is a rare thing over there.

Pay to win is simply non existent in the game. You wont get stronger if you respec your traits, still one ♥♥♥♥ on the head, still 150 hp, yeah you might get fanning, but still going to die if its your turn to die. Under 100 levels I made around 500 blood bonds which means respec 20 times. Respecing is useless in my eyes bc you are gambling every match you enter. And microtransactions will keep the developement active etc. Access to late game weapon omg Apoh ffs cmon it is a once in a lifetime use if you buy it for real money cmon you gotta be kidding me.

Excuse me but I have died many rank 60-100 players using winfield because it was a spamming boring weapon (the headshot machine) it was overused and I agree with the changes and now I am so happy that I see more weapons beside of winfield. I was more afraid of the winfield than anything else in the game. Avtomat? I dont care but winfield, hell no. ADADADADA and just LMB LMB LMB and you got headpopped. The other weapon what is overused is the caldwell rival, need a nerf.

Talking about the boss not worth to kill it. Yes it become a handicap and not a benefit BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CRYING BECAUSE THE WALLHACKS(i mean dsb) AND IT GOT NERFED 2 TIMES. If you take out the benefit of taking the boss out, it becomes obsolete and you won't get motivated to kill it for the love of God. Anyways we going for the bosses every single time.

Rubberbanding? Maybe 5 times in my 800+ hours. Walls are loading since 1.0 haven't seen any missing objects since 1.0 came out. There is no such thing as perfect game.

Appoh talks like someone who played too much with a game and lost its interest and got bored. I don't intend to start any kind of war, just disagreeing what you disagreeing with. Different people different perspectives.

I am not better than anyone, I am nowhere near to Appoh's skills and knowledge and I bet he has like 5times more time in the game than me. Keep on hunting folks!

[Ceceli Δ]

You already set yourself for failure in the first paragraph...

[Zeth]

Originally posted by M.M.Mordesz:

Only thing I can say if you are getting better at the game it will become easier. Of course you will hit and kill more and more people and lose the tension if you are a good player. I honestly think if you are making a game you don't have to listen what people say bc you will end up changing many many things that even you the game maker won't know where you headed. And doing changes based on crybabies is not good. If they don't like the game, move on, that is it.

On his takes:

Sparks animation cancelling twas a bug, and abusing bugs are not fair.

Ammo nerf, hmm I never had issues with ammo and wiped a server many many times. 4 bounties all the time, 8-10 player kills lots of times. And with weapon looting it basically became obsolete to find ammo. And in 1.0 the ammo got increased again because now we have more hunters on the map and as well as trios.

Reload time for uppercut was not necessary but these qof updates will make a better gameplay. Just go ahead and try to reload a gun like that in real life. You will end up 1 minutes reloading.

Shotguns should be powerful at close range, that is what they made for (like wtf) everyone is like shotguns are some kind of netguns or what. Shotguns with long barrels are deadly on 50 meters (55 yards)we should be happy that they one shot in 10 meters max in the game 15 for romero, but what does he wants from shotguns for gods sake?. The real problem is 90% of the people camping with shotguns in a dark corner for 55 minutes if they feel like. Killing the tension with this method bc you ending up dead while going in a house.

He talks about dolch ammo increase and encouraging the people to camp...few minutes ago he said ammo nerf before was bad for the aggressive gameplay so what is wrong now? Now You have more ammo in the dolch go aggressive. And I like the idea of special ammo in the dolch.

I personally enjoy playing the nitro, my favourite weapon in the game. It is like a shotgun with a slug and I love shotguns with slugs. And the rework was just enough for not being overused and made a unique weapon. Aiming should be blurry with everything, that is how your eyes work when you focusing on one thing, but its okay.

There is no gear gap imho. You can one shot everyone with basically anything mate. And prestige has nothing to do with matching with higher skilled players, since it's all based on elo now. And of course you can loot the weapons if you have killed a guy with better weapons and boom.

Avtomat is a long grind now, I don't see that many since the book of weapons came out. I know you can get it in quick play but that is a rare thing over there.

Pay to win is simply non existent in the game. You wont get stronger if you respec your traits, still one ♥♥♥♥ on the head, still 150 hp, yeah you might get fanning, but still going to die if its your turn to die. Under 100 levels I made around 500 blood bonds which means respec 20 times. Respecing is useless in my eyes bc you are gambling every match you enter. And microtransactions will keep the developement active etc. Access to late game weapon omg Apoh ffs cmon it is a once in a lifetime use if you buy it for real money cmon you gotta be kidding me.

Excuse me but I have died many rank 60-100 players using winfield because it was a spamming boring weapon (the headshot machine) it was overused and I agree with the changes and now I am so happy that I see more weapons beside of winfield. I was more afraid of the winfield than anything else in the game. Avtomat? I dont care but winfield, hell no. ADADADADA and just LMB LMB LMB and you got headpopped. The other weapon what is overused is the caldwell rival, need a nerf.

Talking about the boss not worth to kill it. Yes it become a handicap and not a benefit BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CRYING BECAUSE THE WALLHACKS(i mean dsb) AND IT GOT NERFED 2 TIMES. If you take out the benefit of taking the boss out, it becomes obsolete and you won't get motivated to kill it for the love of God. Anyways we going for the bosses every single time.

Rubberbanding? Maybe 5 times in my 800+ hours. Walls are loading since 1.0 haven't seen any missing objects since 1.0 came out. There is no such thing as perfect game.

Appoh talks like someone who played too much with a game and lost its interest and got bored. I don't intend to start any kind of war, just disagreeing what you disagreeing with. Different people different perspectives.

I am not better than anyone, I am nowhere near to Appoh's skills and knowledge and I bet he has like 5times more time in the game than me. Keep on hunting folks!

Couldn’t agree more.

[PigsR4Eating]

I only made it about 20 minutes in, will finish it tom, but something stood out to me. He says something about there not being many avtos and nitros because high level players, the ones who have access to them, don't use them because they aren't rewarding to get kills with. What a crock of ♥♥♥♥. There used to be plenty of both. Eventually the avto got a slew of nerfs and it was primarily the nitro you would see. The nitro was nasty and was 600 bucks for ever, and plenty of players were more than happy to use them. The reason players don't use them is because they both got nerfed so hard they aren't worth taking.

[Zeth]

Originally posted by PigsR4Eating:

I only made it about 20 minutes in, will finish it tom, but something stood out to me. He says something about there not being many avtos and nitros because high level players, the ones who have access to them, don't use them because they aren't rewarding to get kills with. What a crock of ♥♥♥♥. There used to be plenty of both. Eventually the avto got a slew of nerfs and it was primarily the nitro you would see. The nitro was nasty and was 600 bucks for ever, and plenty of players were more than happy to use them. The reason players don't use them is because they both got nerfed so hard they aren't worth taking.

I haven’t messed with the automat but I tried the Nitro a couple times and I liked it. Yeah it’s super powerful but what happens if you use it in a shoot out and miss 2 shots? You have 4 left and it may be a while before you find more.

Maybe I’m missing something but most weapons are pretty balanced if you ask me. Also nerfing ammo count for some weapons helped. Like Crown and King a shotgun I want to try a little more. Yeah you can spray a guy at longer range and down them but then you are almost out of ammo and must restock before reliably engaging more hunters.

There are very few clearly “better” weapons. Higher tier weapons for sure can be better in specific situations and you pay a LOT more money for only a little situational advantage.

[Ceceli Δ]

Give it time, Zeth. You'll learn how things are not as balanced as you think.

[mrjarrrrr]

I am never sure what to think about appoh...

From my perspective he is just giving out another video of "why i stopped playing hunt", since he surely lost some views after not streaming it for a while (and most people were watching him for playing hunt - which he was good at).

He looks so worn out by the game, which you can see in his last videos towards prestige 50 and i think this retrospective of changes (which is a nice collection imo) is just a confirmation for others to hear why he is not playing anymore.

[Mordekhay]

Originally posted by Ceceli:

You already set yourself for failure in the first paragraph...

What do you mean by that?

[Some Portuguese Bean]

Originally posted by jarrrrr:

I am never sure what to think about appoh...

From my perspective he is just giving out another video of "why i stopped playing hunt", since he surely lost some views after not streaming it for a while (and most people were watching him for playing hunt - which he was good at).

He looks so worn out by the game, which you can see in his last videos towards prestige 50 and i think this retrospective of changes (which is a nice collection imo) is just a confirmation for others to hear why he is not playing anymore.

washout?

[mrjarrrrr]

basically this
"...if they improve the game id love to come back. But i intend to make my content more open for anyone to enjoy instead of narrowing it down to one game. This was just a first step in doing more high quality videos. Stuff like this is interesting to me, i want to make videos discussing video games and products as well as explain certain aspects of development and the challenges we face as players and challenges developers face. Hopefully that way i can entertain everyone instead of sectioning off my audience to just 1 game at a time"

[Some Portuguese Bean]

Originally posted by jarrrrr:

basically this
"...if they improve the game id love to come back. But i intend to make my content more open for anyone to enjoy instead of narrowing it down to one game. This was just a first step in doing more high quality videos. Stuff like this is interesting to me, i want to make videos discussing video games and products as well as explain certain aspects of development and the challenges we face as players and challenges developers face. Hopefully that way i can entertain everyone instead of sectioning off my audience to just 1 game at a time"

classic trap, only has content of one thing and then burns out of content or will to make it

idk why he didnt make something like this earlier

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by M.M.Mordesz:

Originally posted by Ceceli:

You already set yourself for failure in the first paragraph...

What do you mean by that?

Only thing I can say if you are getting better at the game it will become easier. Of course you will hit and kill more and more people and lose the tension if you are a good player. I honestly think if you are making a game you don't have to listen what people say bc you will end up changing many many things that even you the game maker won't know where you headed. And doing changes based on crybabies is not good. If they don't like the game, move on, that is it.

- Red clues take away the tension. So it has nothing to do with getting better.
- Every project must have a clear outcome. Otherwise it's not a project.
- You have to listen to the community. Who else is playing the game if not them..
- People bought product X. You can't just change it to Y midway through.